Learned something yesterday (along with the controller trainee)

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  1. cgrab

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    Returning home yesterday, ATIS says winds calm and I'm south of the airport. Tower says "make left DW for 18R." I read back and then ask if I can use 36L. Tower says "Ahhh, wait one." Then comes back on and says "With the plane doing T-N-G's on 18R we can't have opposite traffic on the parallel." I could tell in his voice that he was repeating what someone just told him. I repeated my landing instructions to 18L and landed.

    I guess this is the Harrison Ford-lining up on the wrong runway and all the problems that would cause prevention method.
     
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    No, especially if it was a trainee. With other traffic in the tower's traffic pattern, controllers tend not to permit opposite direction operations.

    Why didn't you ask for 36R, closer to your hangar or are you in the middle there?
     
  3. Van Johnston

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    Is that a typo in your first line? He gave you a left downwind for 18R, or 18L?
     
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    A controller can give you any pattern unless not allowed by the airport management.
     
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    Understand. But first he says he was told to enter DW for 18R. Later he said he repeated his instructions and landed 18L. I'm not following how he was moved from18R to 18L.
     
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    See that now. Maybe @cgrab meant to write 18R as he didn't mention requesting 18L in his post?
     
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    Sorry, I messed up, I landed 18L and asked for 36R. Same concrete just different direction and away from the other traffic.
     
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    20 lashes for messing up! ;):)
     
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    Seems to me u landed on the wrong runway. Did tower say 18R and u landed on 18L per ur post

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    Ya have to read the entire thread. He made a mistake in his 1st post and then corrected what occurred.
     
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    All this nattering about numbers and R and L is dandy. What we really want to know is what he used as airspeed for downwind ;)
     
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    Aren't 18L and 36R the same runway? Also 18R and 36L.
     
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    How's that?
     
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    Not out.

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    You are magnetically challenged.
     
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    Are there places where 360* and 180* are not reciprocal headings?
     
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    Are there places where 360 and 180 are the same headings?
     
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    Are you being deliberately obtuse?

    How many runways at KSAN?
     
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    I am severely acute.
     
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    Is that a chronic condition?
     
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    Clark is being Clark. It’s the same piece of concrete but different numbers on each end. Hence in his mind, 2 runways.
     
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    "Short Final" in the AvWeb Flash today. Plane approaching airport asks for landing instructions and the tower tells him "winds are calm so 01 or 19 your choice." Pilot asks which one is longer.
     
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    Regardless, it sounds like the OP may have requested to land head on to other traffic.
     
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    Actually could be a valid question IF one of the runways had a displaced threshold unusable for landing, but usable landing on the other end for taxing (ie rolling out on landing).
     
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    He was unaware of the other traffic until the tower told him. Nothing wrong with his request.
     
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    I didn't say there was anything wrong with his request. But it's a possible explanation for the controller's refusal.
     
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    Pretty much born with it.
     
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    If it was one runway then tower would just say something like "cleared to land over there" To the unwashed masses it's one runway. To pilots there are two runways.
     
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    He said winds were calm thus there was no downwind.
     
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    So KSAN had two runways then? That will be news to a lot of people. And I guess it can't claim to be the busiest single-runway airport in America anymore, since there's apparently no such thing.
     
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    While many in the great unwashed masses will never understand or accept that one piece of concrete might functionally be two runways all pilots are trained in the concept and therefore use numbers and possibly letters to identify which particular runway they are or intend to use. The concept turns out to be particularly important for safe, efficient use of the piece of concrete.

    On the other hand you particular apparent desire to belabor the point is somewhat mystifying. You don't care to share my perspective and I don't care for your perspective since it incorrect and belittles an important safety concept for all operating airplanes. Time to drop it and move on.
     
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    I recently heard the CLT airport manager talking about adding a fourth runway. I guess I should have told him they already have six.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Can't decide if you're trying and failing at being funny or trolling. Appropriate smilies would help.
     
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    You sure about that?
     
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    Don't they already have four (eight)?
     
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    Paging @mscard88. This man is in desperate need of a baseball glove. ;)