Learned something yesterday (along with the controller trainee)

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by cgrab, Dec 3, 2017.

  1. Clark1961

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    I have no trouble seeing that you are ignoring fact.
     
  2. Lindberg

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    And now I'm ignoring you.
     
  3. SkyDog58

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    Sorry. The conversation was about a fourth parallel. Or is that a seventh and eighth?
     
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    Yes, read it on POA somewhere. Must be true.
     
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    What is the definition of winds calm?
     
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    Less than 3 kts. The calm wind runway determined by ATC is less than 5 kts.
     
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    Mature Onset Dyslexia.

    Common, or even universal, among pilots.
     
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    He is in need of more than that! ;)
     
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    Hey!
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    WTF you want now?! o_O
     
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    Doesn't that question make sense in a presence of a displaced threshold on one end?
     
  12. mscard88

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    post #27
     
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    Clark you are an engineer aren't you?
     
  14. Clark1961

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    Buh-bye
     
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    Anyway. Back to the original topic.

    There appears to be a fairly heavy push from unknown bureaucracy somewhere to not have opposite direction operations at towered airports anymore. I can’t speak to if it was ever allowed for landings, but opposite direction practice instrument approaches are rapidly becoming s thing of the past.

    Used to do them all the time with an admonishment to break them off before (insert landmark here) and now the towers simply won’t do them.
     
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    The push was because of an operational error that occurred at Reagan National precipitating this letter. This applied only to IFRs and was later rescinded.

    https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.596.pdf
     
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    There could have been a number of reasons for the tower not allowing you to land opposite direction on the parallel runway ranging from traffic on final somewhere to "I just don't want to mess with it today."
     
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    Fascinating. Love the “ten mile final” protection rule in there. Good lord. No wonder it was rescinded.

    But it appears the damage is done. Nobody in Tower-land wants to do them anywhere around here anymore.

    Isn’t a big deal for RNAV equipped aircraft at home base, but anything equipped with only LOC/ILS is screwed for practice approaches anytime the wind shifts around to the south now.

    But that’s normal in the “Destroying the Airway System because we have GPS!” brave new world. ;)
     
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    This is the most confusing thread I've ever entered. It's like the Twilight Zone of threads.
     
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    When they did bring back opposite direction operations, they've listed so many stipulations that it's almost not worth going through the hassle.

    On the VFR tower side, I know of nothing prohibiting it other than a clear deck and increased wake turb separation for some aircraft.
     
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    Or a directive and/or LOA not to. :mad:
     
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    I ran into the same problem getting an IPC done here in central California a few weeks ago. The plane I was doing it in didn't have a GPS, so we had to find both a localizer and a VOR approach, in addition to an ILS, with the wind in the right direction for all three. We ended up dividing it between two different days.