Learned something yesterday (along with the controller trainee)

cgrab said:
"Short Final" in the AvWeb Flash today. Plane approaching airport asks for landing instructions and the tower tells him "winds are calm so 01 or 19 your choice." Pilot asks which one is longer.
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Doesn't that question make sense in a presence of a displaced threshold on one end?
 
cgrab said:
Returning home yesterday, ATIS says winds calm and I'm south of the airport. Tower says "make left DW for 18R." I read back and then ask if I can use 36L. Tower says "Ahhh, wait one." Then comes back on and says "With the plane doing T-N-G's on 18R we can't have opposite traffic on the parallel." I could tell in his voice that he was repeating what someone just told him. I repeated my landing instructions to 18L and landed.

I guess this is the Harrison Ford-lining up on the wrong runway and all the problems that would cause prevention method.
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Anyway. Back to the original topic.

There appears to be a fairly heavy push from unknown bureaucracy somewhere to not have opposite direction operations at towered airports anymore. I can’t speak to if it was ever allowed for landings, but opposite direction practice instrument approaches are rapidly becoming s thing of the past.

Used to do them all the time with an admonishment to break them off before (insert landmark here) and now the towers simply won’t do them.
 
denverpilot said:
Anyway. Back to the original topic.

There appears to be a fairly heavy push from unknown bureaucracy somewhere to not have opposite direction operations at towered airports anymore. I can’t speak to if it was ever allowed for landings, but opposite direction practice instrument approaches are rapidly becoming s thing of the past.

Used to do them all the time with an admonishment to break them off before (insert landmark here) and now the towers simply won’t do them.
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The push was because of an operational error that occurred at Reagan National precipitating this letter. This applied only to IFRs and was later rescinded.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.596.pdf
 
There could have been a number of reasons for the tower not allowing you to land opposite direction on the parallel runway ranging from traffic on final somewhere to "I just don't want to mess with it today."
 
Velocity173 said:
The push was because of an operational error that occurred at Reagan National precipitating this letter. This applied only to IFRs and was later rescinded.

https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N7110.596.pdf
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Fascinating. Love the “ten mile final” protection rule in there. Good lord. No wonder it was rescinded.

But it appears the damage is done. Nobody in Tower-land wants to do them anywhere around here anymore.

Isn’t a big deal for RNAV equipped aircraft at home base, but anything equipped with only LOC/ILS is screwed for practice approaches anytime the wind shifts around to the south now.

But that’s normal in the “Destroying the Airway System because we have GPS!” brave new world. ;)
 
This is the most confusing thread I've ever entered. It's like the Twilight Zone of threads.
 
denverpilot said:
Fascinating. Love the “ten mile final” protection rule in there. Good lord. No wonder it was rescinded.

But it appears the damage is done. Nobody in Tower-land wants to do them anywhere around here anymore.

Isn’t a big deal for RNAV equipped aircraft at home base, but anything equipped with only LOC/ILS is screwed for practice approaches anytime the wind shifts around to the south now.

But that’s normal in the “Destroying the Airway System because we have GPS!” brave new world. ;)
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When they did bring back opposite direction operations, they've listed so many stipulations that it's almost not worth going through the hassle.

On the VFR tower side, I know of nothing prohibiting it other than a clear deck and increased wake turb separation for some aircraft.
 
denverpilot said:
...But it appears the damage is done. Nobody in Tower-land wants to do them anywhere around here anymore.

Isn’t a big deal for RNAV equipped aircraft at home base, but anything equipped with only LOC/ILS is screwed for practice approaches anytime the wind shifts around to the south now.

But that’s normal in the “Destroying the Airway System because we have GPS!” brave new world. ;)
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I ran into the same problem getting an IPC done here in central California a few weeks ago. The plane I was doing it in didn't have a GPS, so we had to find both a localizer and a VOR approach, in addition to an ILS, with the wind in the right direction for all three. We ended up dividing it between two different days.
 
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