If ForeFlight could display the Jepp Charts....

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by AggieMike88, Apr 4, 2017.

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If ForeFlight could use the Jepp Charts, would you switch?

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  1. AggieMike88

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    If ForeFlight provided the ability to view the Jepp charts in place of the government "free" ones, would you make the switch?

    As I start to learn more about Jepp's chart design style, I find there are several things I like over the free ones that FF uses.

    So if FF provided the means to view those charts in the same method we can do now, I'd consider the switch to Jepp.

    What say the rest of you guys?
     
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    I thought you were wondering if we'd switch to ForeFlight if they could display Jepp charts... :rolleyes:
     
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    Jepp is superior in every way. If the price was right, I'd do it.
     
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    Yes. No doubt.
     
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    Small drift... what do you think is holding FF back from offering this? Licensing costs/issues? Georef code? Database size?
     
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    Jepp may see FF as a competitor and isn't interested in licensing their charts out to FF.
     
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    Competitor to what? Mobile FlightDeck?

    I'm not sure your point makes sense. If Jepp charts did work with FF, they just added the ability to attract more customers to their data subscription business.
     
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    I wish FF had more international stuff. It would have made the Cuba trip easier.
     
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    I was thinking the charts are a competitive advantage for Jepp's EFB business, yes. Having said that I've never touched any of the Jepp FlightDeck products.
     
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    That helps make sense of what you said... but they have such a small slice of the recreational pilot pie since FF is the big player of that space. So no real competitive advantage for Jepp to be that way.

    Garmin Pilot allows display of Jepp charts if you weren't aware of that already.
     
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    Agreed.

    And there must be a reason Jepp isn't licensing on FF. Maybe they have an exclusivity / non-compete clause or something. They're losing revenue and market share IMO
     
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    Among other issues, there was a major purge at Jepp last year. The new head honcho is a die-hard Boeing exec who has zero GA experience. From gossip, his focus on market share and profit margin goals include GA but it isn't super high priority. Jepp makes much more money in other areas including non-aviation transportation.
     
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    Is Jepp still part of Boeing? Or on their own?
     
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    I must be an outlier. While the Jepp charts are fine, I have no strong affinity towards them and certainly wouldn't pay extra for them. The FAA charts work pretty good, imo.
     
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    I use Jepp plates with Garmin Pilot already. Garmin pilot is lightyears ahead of FF but that isn't the point of this thread. I use both gov charts and jepp charts to mix things up, so the answer to the question above is yes and no.
     
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    Still owned by Boeing, definitely cash cow, which is why Boeing bought it.
     
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    Same here. Maybe because I started with FAA charts... They work fine for me.
     
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    How could FF possibly pay the licensing fee and not triple or quadruple the price of their product? And if they did that, can you imagine the howling on this board?
     
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    Jepp already has a relationship with Garmin. They provide databases for the real GPSs.

    And Foreflight is already too expensive. Not interested for a marginal improvement.
     
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    I wouldn't see this happening as you describe. What I see occurring is that we pay for the Jepp database via JeppDirect.com and obtain a "you paid for it" token that FF can use to connect (much like we can connect to 1800WXBRIEF for our weather brief and to file flight plans). As far as FF's monetizing, it would be part of their "Pro Plus" Pricing.
     
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    I guess that makes sense. Would that be the $65/year subscription price I saw on the Jepp website?
    I wonder what sort of financial arrangements would need to be made between Jepp and FF? Jepp would get added sales. FF would get added functionality. Would those benefits cancel each other out or would one company have to pay the other some fee?

    What are some of the benefits of Jepp's charts over the free ones I am used to?
     
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    I use FF right now and I love it. I would like the ability to use JEPP charts as I start to transition into the civilian world as a career than just for fun.
     
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    [7500]I'd just like to see the FF guys get together with Stratux for AHRS useage[/7500]

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    Yes, I'd be willing to use FF exclusively. Trouble is, I'm not sure I'd be willing to pay Jepp price for the FF package!
     
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    How is $100/year too expensive for a full set of charts?
     
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    I have no problems using the gov charts. I couldn't justify to myself the cost of jepp charts when the free ones work just fine.
     
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    It's $150/year, going up by $50 each year for unnecessary bundled features.

    And it was $75/year a few years ago for the same thing. Comparing it to a full set of paper is also stupid because I don't buy a full set of paper. I can cover the whole west coast for well under $150. And Avare gives a full set of charts for FREE, including georeferenced plates. So, that $150 is really going for the interface, not the data they copy for free. Is it really twice the interface it was a few years ago? No. Not even close.

    Bundling Jepp will easily add hundreds. For no benefit.
     
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    It's $99/year. https://foreflight.com/pricing
     
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    Then you'll have to tell them to give me my $50 back.

    The charts are still FREE.
     
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    Nope. FF doesn't have a web platform and isn't available on non-iDevices. Pass.
     
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    Foreflight has a fantastic web platform.
     
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    Sorry was mixing GPilot and FF. Still not available on non-iDevices, which is the bigger deal-breaker for me.
     
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    Yes.
     
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    I voted "no," although there is probably (unlikely) a price point where I might.

    Like a lot of folks, I was bitten by the Jepp bug. Better quality paper, arguably clearer presentation, and, of course, they were cool since the airlines used them. (It also helped that Jepp was down the street - almost literally - and I had friends who worked there.) I'd switch between the two; no big deal.

    I went back to FAA charts full time when they appeared in EFBs. The paper difference became irrelevant. With such things as the briefing strip, some topography, etc, the FAA charts improved enough that the differences are, to me, anyway, small. Maybe not completely inconsequential, but like the difference between XM Weather and ADS-B, not worth the cost difference.
     
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