Got “thrown out” of an airport today

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Watch your video, you were getting some side eyes before the worker escorted you away from the running plane and off the entire airport
I wouldn't be embarrassed to get side eye or thrown out by people who don't see any issue with what Salty's described. I say that as a pilot who regularly engages in operations that other pilots consider unsafe, unwise, or in violation of regulations they don't understand. But if one of them confronted me, I'd be happy to explain to them what was going on. If someone told me he was going to file a complaint, I'd patiently wait for the call because I don't have anything to fear. That's not to say that I've never ****ed up and been called on it, but I'm happy to be corrected when doing something unsafe.
 
Sure the worker was, maybe not a “hero” but he did more for safety than Greg did, he saw a random heads down in his cell phone walking around a running plane and rushed to escort him to safety
Who is Greg? Is that @Salty? I didn't know that and he has over 11,000 post and I have over 13,000. You have 45 (and counting) and every one is in this thread. I'm really curious how you know his name. And I'm curious what your affiliation really is with this airport or this event.

And I'm curious why you are defending the pilot and airport in question.
 
Who is Greg? Is that @Salty? I didn't know that and he has over 11,000 post and I have over 13,000. You have 45 (and counting) and every one is in this thread. I'm really curious how you know his name. And I'm curious what your affiliation really is with this airport or this event.

And I'm curious why you are defending the pilot and airport in question.

At what point can we start stating our guess on who TampaPilot is? Asking for a friend.
 
Who is Greg? Is that @Salty? I didn't know that and he has over 11,000 post and I have over 13,000. You have 45 (and counting) and every one is in this thread. I'm really curious how you know his name. And I'm curious what your affiliation really is with this airport or this event.

And I'm curious why you are defending the pilot and airport in question.

His Youtube channel appears to be under Greg - I guess that's where he got it from.
 
And how, exactly, is that?

As I said, recreational private pilots I have seen call out others and say how things should go more than anyone, for some reason especially with it’s something they know little about, like hot loading a yak

A decade or so ago I had a very angry person at a FBO try to dress me down about a text book instrument approach, it was IFR but a few hundred above mins and good visibility, thankfully this was after my pax got in their cars and left, we’ll turns out Mr safety expert wasn’t even instrument rated, just a VFR private, let alone did he have any experience with 135s opspecs jets or anything else, but man was he a self proclaimed safety expert

Had another one a year ago, started talking on tower frequency about me taking off along a taxiway in a B407, he was still talking to tower when I changed frequency, he was a local private pilot who doesn’t seem to ever fly a state away

It’s almost always the inexperienced private pilots who climb onto their soap boxes, maybe it’s because they can’t climb in real life into alpha?
 
His Youtube channel appears to be under Greg - I guess that's where he got it from.

Got it from what he posted, as well as cross checking with very public databases

I could have posted everything off the FAA registry about him and his planes, but that’s not my style, since he has his name on the same YouTube channel he linked to it was fair game to at least use his first name

And yes, I’m Frank
 
As I said, recreational private pilots I have seen call out others and say how things should go more than anyone, for some reason especially with it’s something they know little about, like hot loading a yak

A decade or so ago I had a very angry person at a FBO try to dress me down about a text book instrument approach, it was IFR but a few hundred above mins and good visibility, thankfully this was after my pax got in their cars and left, we’ll turns out Mr safety expert wasn’t even instrument rated, just a VFR private, let alone did he have any experience with 135s opspecs jets or anything else, but man was he a self proclaimed safety expert

Had another one a year ago, started talking on tower frequency about me taking off along a taxiway in a B407, he was still talking to tower when I changed frequency, he was a local private pilot who doesn’t seem to ever fly a state away

It’s almost always the inexperienced private pilots who climb onto their soap boxes, maybe it’s because they can’t climb in real life into alpha?
So your flying offends people.

this just gets better and better.
 
As I said, recreational private pilots I have seen call out others and say how things should go more than anyone, for some reason especially with it’s something they know little about, like hot loading a yak

A decade or so ago I had a very angry person at a FBO try to dress me down about a text book instrument approach, it was IFR but a few hundred above mins and good visibility, thankfully this was after my pax got in their cars and left, we’ll turns out Mr safety expert wasn’t even instrument rated, just a VFR private, let alone did he have any experience with 135s opspecs jets or anything else, but man was he a self proclaimed safety expert

Had another one a year ago, started talking on tower frequency about me taking off along a taxiway in a B407, he was still talking to tower when I changed frequency, he was a local private pilot who doesn’t seem to ever fly a state away

It’s almost always the inexperienced private pilots who climb onto their soap boxes, maybe it’s because they can’t climb in real life into alpha?
Or maybe it's because this keeps happening. https://people.com/human-interest/g...lane-propeller-after-extravagant-dinner-date/
 
One would think that’s something you would have stated in your original post

But as this post has gone on, probably not going like you thought it was going to go, we now even had a baby in a carriage just in front off the prop and tons of other stuff where you saved the day and were a great mediator, all just happened to not get captured by that camera of yours

So now you’re saying others got kicked off the airport too?
Doubling down on your opinion is not going to convince us that you're right. Most of us have been around airplanes long enough, and read too many stories of props chopping people up, to think that this was ok. It was not ok, and I bet the FAA won't think it was ok either.

Being "within reach" of the throttle and mags won't stand up in court either. If the pax bumped the throttle and the airplane jumped forward, the pilot would lose his balance and maybe his footing. Bad things could easily happen.

I was an airport manager for a decade or so. This guy would have been challenged, and if it continued he'd have been reported.
 
And what type of pilot are you, Frank?

Flew 135 for a while, 121, back to 135, dual rated, also know when to just keep walking down the ramp, going full Karen on that yak to the point he got booted from a airport, as a pilot no less, and posting about it on the internet, that was silly, and I couldn’t help but make a account on here and say as much
 
Flew 135 for a while, 121, back to 135, dual rated, also know when to just keep walking down the ramp, going full Karen on that yak to the point he got booted from a airport, as a pilot no less, and posting about it on the internet, that was silly, and I couldn’t help but make a account on here and say as much
If going full Karen on the internet is ok for you, why can’t anyone else do it?
 
As I said, recreational private pilots I have seen call out others and say how things should go more than anyone, for some reason especially with it’s something they know little about, like hot loading a yak

A decade or so ago I had a very angry person at a FBO try to dress me down about a text book instrument approach, it was IFR but a few hundred above mins and good visibility, thankfully this was after my pax got in their cars and left, we’ll turns out Mr safety expert wasn’t even instrument rated, just a VFR private, let alone did he have any experience with 135s opspecs jets or anything else, but man was he a self proclaimed safety expert

Had another one a year ago, started talking on tower frequency about me taking off along a taxiway in a B407, he was still talking to tower when I changed frequency, he was a local private pilot who doesn’t seem to ever fly a state away

It’s almost always the inexperienced private pilots who climb onto their soap boxes, maybe it’s because they can’t climb in real life into alpha?

This is just generalization. I've seen commercial (professional) pilots do stupid sh** and I have seen private pilots do stupid sh**. I've seen commercial (professional) pilots be Karens and I have seen private pilots be Karens. I personally don't think Salty (or Greg) was being a Karen though. I truly believe this was an unsafe operation and the reaction of the airport staff/ownership (as described by Salty - I wasn't there to confirm) makes me believe that they know it's unsafe, potentially considered reckless and they don't want any of the "outsiders" on the field to report such instances. I learned to fly in Canada and there it's being taught to never leave a plane running with nobody at the controls. It's in the regs so I definitely think this is unsafe and if I was being asked to leave after calling it out, I would have reported the instance as well.
 
Lol, this one is devolving nicely too. A moron left his engine running, got out of the cockpit, then proceeded to load a passenger into the rear seat, where another set of controls resides including a throttle, and people are giving the guy who pointed this asshat maneuver out crap because he didn't curtsey before he said something.

Salty, just send the video to the local FSDO and be done with it. These guys need a smackdown. If they don't get one and kill some innocent person, it will be on them and the FSDO, you won't be sitting home saying you should have done more about it.
 
As I said, recreational private pilots I have seen call out others and say how things should go more than anyone, for some reason especially with it’s something they know little about, like hot loading a yak

A decade or so ago I had a very angry person at a FBO try to dress me down about a text book instrument approach, it was IFR but a few hundred above mins and good visibility, thankfully this was after my pax got in their cars and left, we’ll turns out Mr safety expert wasn’t even instrument rated, just a VFR private, let alone did he have any experience with 135s opspecs jets or anything else, but man was he a self proclaimed safety expert

Had another one a year ago, started talking on tower frequency about me taking off along a taxiway in a B407, he was still talking to tower when I changed frequency, he was a local private pilot who doesn’t seem to ever fly a state away

It’s almost always the inexperienced private pilots who climb onto their soap boxes, maybe it’s because they can’t climb in real life into alpha?

I think you would be amazed at the variety of pilots active on Pilots of America. But if all you have is a hammer…what happens when it’s not about the nail?
 
This is just generalization. I've seen commercial (professional) pilots do stupid sh** and I have seen private pilots do stupid sh**. I've seen commercial (professional) pilots be Karens and I have seen private pilots be Karens. I personally don't think Salty (or Greg) was being a Karen though. I truly believe this was an unsafe operation and the reaction of the airport staff/ownership (as described by Salty - I wasn't there to confirm) makes me believe that they know it's unsafe, potentially considered reckless and they don't want any of the "outsiders" on the field to report such instances. I learned to fly in Canada and there it's being taught to never leave a plane running with nobody at the controls. It's in the regs so I definitely think this is unsafe and if I was being asked to leave after calling it out, I would have reported the instance as well.


If the airport was worried about something being illegal, it would be the obvious choice to kick the yak out, even if they said “don’t worry about it, he’s recording, we’ll call you when he’s gene” as they booted him for the camera

It’s also telling all the good stuff he says he did didn’t make the video, not the baby carriage or scared soup eaters
 

I could have posted everything off the FAA registry about him and his planes, but that’s not my style, since he has his name on the same YouTube channel he linked to it was fair game to at least use his first name…
That would be a violation of our Rules of Conduct, which you’ve agreed to follow as a condition of use of this site.

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/help/RoC/
 
If the airport was worried about something being illegal, it would be the obvious choice to kick the yak out, even if they said “don’t worry about it, he’s recording, we’ll call you when he’s gene” as they booted him for the camera

It’s also telling all the good stuff he says he did didn’t make the video, not the baby carriage or scared soup eaters

I think that's the main issue here, the airport not being worried about the Yak pilot, but instead being worried about Salty in that situation.

Just because the airport owner didn't say anything to the Yak pilot doesn't make it any better - it makes it even worse. Your point literally makes no sense.
 
Last time I went to a local pilot training event, I believe it was one of the FAA presenters that said, a successful safety culture is when everyone involved in the operation says something when they see something that may be unsafe. Just sayin!
 
I quit reading after the first 5 pages, so may have missed some important posts.

Quantum leap here, Geezer type experience, loaded onto DC 3's Connies, and Super Connies, using the old standard stairs. 3 different airlines. All the engines, both sides of the plane, were shut down before the crew opened the door, or the stairs were rolled out.

Later, loaded on and off Army C 47, no engines running. C 54, 6 times, never with an engine running.

More modern, bush mail twin Piper Navajo, the pilot shut down both engines before even allowing seat belts unfastened. The ground guy did not come within 20 feet of the wing tip until the props stopped turning.

I will admit that I have hot loaded a few times, but with a competent pilot at the controls, and all the persons loading had many flights previous, and had been briefed. WW 2 Army Airforce mechanics from the 345th Fighter Squadron, were very aware of the dangers of running engines. No one went forward of the wing strut of the Cessna Skyhawk. The plane was having trouble with hot starts. My son chocked the main gear on the loading side, full opened the door, and directed the loading and unloading passengers.


All that said, I believe Salty may have used in appropriate words and tone, resulting in an antagonistic response. His response to the suggestion of "How to win friends and influence people" implies that. I have read much of that book, loaned to me by a friend who felt that I could benefit from it, and I agreed after only a few pages. Outstanding guidance.
 
If the airport was worried about something being illegal, it would be the obvious choice to kick the yak out, even if they said “don’t worry about it, he’s recording, we’ll call you when he’s gene” as they booted him for the camera

It’s also telling all the good stuff he says he did didn’t make the video, not the baby carriage or scared soup eaters
Yes it is. It's telling that my primary concern was for safety, not making a video. The video was the last resort, not the first, as it would have been if I were "looking for attention".
 
Yes it is. It's telling that my primary concern was for safety, not making a video. The video was the last resort, not the first, as it would have been if I were "looking for attention".

That’s why you posted it online?

Seems you were looking for attention more than “safety”
 
I quit reading after the first 5 pages, so may have missed some important posts.

Quantum leap here, Geezer type experience, loaded onto DC 3's Connies, and Super Connies, using the old standard stairs. 3 different airlines. All the engines, both sides of the plane, were shut down before the crew opened the door, or the stairs were rolled out.

Later, loaded on and off Army C 47, no engines running. C 54, 6 times, never with an engine running.

More modern, bush mail twin Piper Navajo, the pilot shut down both engines before even allowing seat belts unfastened. The ground guy did not come within 20 feet of the wing tip until the props stopped turning.

I will admit that I have hot loaded a few times, but with a competent pilot at the controls, and all the persons loading had many flights previous, and had been briefed. WW 2 Army Airforce mechanics from the 345th Fighter Squadron, were very aware of the dangers of running engines. No one went forward of the wing strut of the Cessna Skyhawk. The plane was having trouble with hot starts. My son chocked the main gear on the loading side, full opened the door, and directed the loading and unloading passengers.


All that said, I believe Salty may have used in appropriate words and tone, resulting in an antagonistic response. His response to the suggestion of "How to win friends and influence people" implies that. I have read much of that book, loaned to me by a friend who felt that I could benefit from it, and I agreed after only a few pages. Outstanding guidance.


I don’t know how the systems on the old radials on those work, I do know the yak has the air start and is limited to the pressure of the scuba tank

Hot loading, I know lots of jets and turbo props, especially one without a APU, will keep the non loading side running if it’s a very quick turn, or someone needs to run back to the FBO to give them their car keys or something

I have also hot loaded and fueled quite a few aircraft, though never a yak, but knowing the controls of a yak, and where the pilot was standing, that was a nothing burger
 
I’m with Salty on this one. I’ve participated in numerous EAA events (Young Eagles and B-17) where there’s a significant number of non-aviation folks in the immediate vicinity. In my experience no hot loading is ever done and all non-experienced people are under positive control of those that are at all times on the ramp. I simply see no upside to what I saw in the video and I don’t care about the Yaks starting system— it just wasn’t safe IMO.
 
Tell me more generalizations you have about private pilots, please.

We’ll outside of what I posted

The killing zone, if I remember the title, was a very good book

Recreational VFR private pilots know everything
*I will exclude glider/gyro/helicopter only pilots from this

Next one are the commercial pilots with like 700-1800hrs

Next one are the long time SICs, who went CFI to 2 crew SIC, for about the first 800hrs after they get their upgrade


Also anyone who gets kicked out of pretty much any venue, it’s funny it’s NEVER their fault
 
It costs about $8 to fill a common SCUBA tank (80 ft^3 at 3000 PSI), yet it keeps getting cited as a rationalization for keeping the engine running while loading passengers.

Which might as well be 8 million of there isn’t anyone there who can fill it
 
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