flight school uniform?

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  1. EdFred

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    And one of the best companies around here that does software is all jeans and t shirts and about as far from unprofessional as you can get. Maybe it's not the clothes than make the person.
     
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    Just for yuks, show up in a WWI outfit with knickers, leather helmet, goggles, and a silk scarf. Ask that people refer to you as Monty.

    You're not in High School, nor do I think your fellow students are as well. ATP pilots in a 737 need the uniform to give the appearance to passengers that they are professional, and it also reinforces their airline pilot job is a serious profession. Which is why even cargo pilots wear uniforms.

    But students? I can see business casual, but don't see a student needing to dress up pretend they are flying an airliner. Like those under graduate pre meds in college who walked around in scrubs all the time.
     
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    If I’m being paid by someone to be in uniform, I’ll be in uniform.

    If I’m paying out of pocket, I’ll wear what I want.
     
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    Best answer yet........
     
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    My comment was for interviews. I’ve worked for 3 of the major aerospace companies. if we’re meeting with customers, it’s dress-up. If we’re in the office it’s jeans and sneakers.
     
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    Obviously you have not spend enough years in a large organization run by suits.
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  8. Luigi

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    Aint ever going to wear that BS outfit, unless, I was flying for the airlines.
     
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    Back to what I previously said, the whole premise of the school uniform is marketing.
     
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    Lol

    No
     
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    I’m with ya. Agree.
     
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    Personally I think it’s a bit goofy, but I wouldn’t get my shorts in a ball over it.
    If you can’t deal with it, pick a different school.
     
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    Deal with it? Hell, I picked a different flying job entire! This guy approves...
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    It appears that the aforementioned mankini, properly worn, could support 3 epaulets. This is a 50% edge over the rest of your classmates and is certain to pay dividends in your training.
     
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    Seems that way for too many students around our FTU.

    We won't let a student or renter take the plane if they aren't dressed well enough to walk out if they have to do a forced landing in a rural field. I remain amazed at the stories our instructors tell in private about the arguments they get from students who don't seem to understand it's currently winter.
     
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    Uniforms (and more importantly ranking insignia) are solely meant to delineate a pecking order. In the military it works fine - mostly. In the civilian flying world I guess it distinguishes between who gets paid more or has more hours, but I would think that goes against the CRM knowledge that has been developed over time. It’s a long-standing tradition going back to the military days, but if the ranking insignia went away it might go a long ways towards safer skies.

    I don’t need a CFI to wear bars to know whom I’m flying with.

    Even so, I wouldn’t obtain ratings with a school requiring a suit and tie to fly. I’m a shorts and tee kinda person. No flip flops though. I like a comfy, thin-soled shoe. And definitely no banana hammock.
     
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    Students dressing up like professional pilots. Reminds me of an old saying from TX. All hat, no cattle.
     
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    You obviously never played sports.
     
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    I thought the thread was about flight school uniforms?
     
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    It's POA Doc, its how we roll.
     
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    "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bu!!****" seems to be how some of them roll.............
     
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    I used to wear a tie to teach. I don't anymore. Doesn't seem to make a big difference.

    I disagree with Paul. I fly wide patterns. My thinking is you fly a close pattern in case of engine failure, you can reach the runway. I think engine failures are way rarer than stall.spin/accidents by pilots who overshoot. So I fly wide patterns.


    That, and it keeps me from running over any Skyhawks.
     
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    I used to wear a tie to work under the hood of cars - one hand to adjust the idle speed, one hand to hold the tie out of the front end accessory drive belt.
     
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    Always thought if you are working a tool other than a pen a paper a tie is silly, even at that point a tie is kinda silly.
     
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    The day you lose your engine and find yourself outside of gliding range to the runway, you’ll be wishing you flew tighter patterns. Just sayin’.
     
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    Even if I'm out of gliding range of the runway (which I doubt, since I can suck up the gear and flaps very quickly) I'l still be in range of the airport environment. I might not do my aircraft any favors landing in the grass next to the runway, but I'll walk away. Like I said, if you look at the incidence of engine out emergencies in the landing pattern, and the incidence of stall/spin accidents in the pattern, the latter is far more prevalent.
     
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    Maybe because they were close and the engine quit it wasn't an emergency? :D
     
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    BUT..... if the student is wearing a uniform he/she is less likely to spin on final. And a lot less likely to have an engine quit.
     
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    But you have much more control over a stall/spin than you do an engine failure.
    Fly your plane and pattern correctly, and that will all but eliminate a stall/spin. Same cannot be said for engine failure.
     
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    Did you take your stupid pill this morning? Who set out to get into a stall/spin accident? All of them got there through distraction or very poor airmanship. I'm massively uncomfortable yanking and banking at low altitude and low energy, especially in an environment as distraction prone as a busy GA airport. Moreover, I'll bet the majority of engine out emergencies in the landing pattern were from fuel mismanagement, more easily controlled than anything else. Heck, I just about have to do autofellatio to change tanks, and I can keep the mill running.

    How's this? You do you and I'll do me.
     
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    Personal attacks aside, you are essentially saying the same thing I am. Poor airmanship leads to stall/spin.
    You also say you bet the majority of pattern engine failures in the pattern are due to fuel mismanagement. I have no idea if that’s true, but obviously you do. Please show me that data so I can be educated.
     
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    I will always remember my first CFI telling me something similar when I asked her what I should wear to the first lesson. She said, "Wear something you would want to have on in case we land in a cornfield."
     
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    I’m willing to bet that those who fly tight patterns due to concern of an engine failure do not fly within gliding distance of an airfield when they are on a cross country. The reason you fly a tight pattern due to fear of an engine failure is not a good reason unless you fly every second of your flight within gliding distance of a field. You should tailor the size of your pattern to each flight and situation. Now where does flight school uniforms fit into this;)
     
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    My attitude is, what does it cost me to fly the pattern close enough to glide to the runway? In the planes I fly, it does not mean that I so close that I'm going to have to make steep turns, so it's not costing me anything.
     
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    Well, you're halfway there already, right?
     
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    Hey if I could do myself, I'd never leave the house.

    just sayin
     
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    I see the Asian students at DVT wearing those uniforms all the time. It makes it so much more cool to see them climb into their Piper Archers.
     
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    Everything you need to know CFI uniforms and teaching students stabilized approaches and traffic patterns. Also the appropriate/required amount of epaulettes.

     
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    42. Flight School Uniforms <=> tight patterns.
    A. Epaulets
    B. No
    C. Maybe
    D. All of the above


    Hmm?

    Epaulets generate lift.= With epaulets, you WILL make the runway. Without? Maybe just the environs.

    Is the question in the oral, or part of the practical?