endless money pit

I guess that’s why I like my 9000+ hour 1959 Cessna 172 . The boys with the money changed most every thing in it and on it . 5 years of ownership cost has been mostly annual fees. Gas ,hangar fees, and license are incidental to all who own an aircraft. I have a contingency fund for new motor if / when the time comes.
 
Saw the title. Wondered why someone made a thread about my plane.

I defer virtually no maintenance at all and I've dropped stunning amounts of cash into this little plane. Ironically, being maintenance-oriented recently bit me in the rear when a mechanic was playing with hoses (chasing an oil temp problem) and somehow hooked up my vacuum line to the engine breather tube. Quickly noticed no vacuum reading and dead AI. Turned off the engine, and the AI filled up with steam. Now it's toast. The shop is doing the right thing and replacing it, but I've had this plane in the shop longer since I've owned it than I've had it available to fly. That's not an exaggeration.

That's the Universe telling you to ditch your vacuum system and install a pair of G5's.
 
Pretty hard to sell either one of those
...in this country, in most places, today. Some parts of some cities and some countries? Eh.... and I'm not going to guess as to which of the 3 depreciates most.

I've learned from observation that the following are money pits worse than aircraft:

trophy spouses
houses where the land doesn't slope away from the house
horses
rental property that, in one way or another, isn't square or on solid ground
cars out of warranty from a country that starts with "G" (or D, really)
anything you race that weighs more than 5 pounds

I think if you figure out a way to combine any two or more of the above you get some sort of special prize.
 
That's the Universe telling you to ditch your vacuum system and install a pair of G5's.
Seriously. I had the same thought. The annoying part is that for weird reasons I actually have two GI-275s in the plane already, both AHRS-versions, but one is serving as the engine monitor! The purchase of a non-AHRS GI-275 would indeed let me get rid of that vacuum system and I discussed that option with the shop, but they wouldn't be able to get that done until sometime in late June, meaning another two months of a grounded aircraft. Then my brain says "hey, if you're dropping coin on another GI-275, why not think about just putting a G3X in there and quite screwing around with small instruments? I think everyone here is familiar with that gold-paved rabbit-hole.

I think you need to find a new mechanic. Seriously.

This shop is close to my home and they've otherwise been fantastic. The particular mechanic in question (of the five they have) also seems very experienced, so I'll be curious to have a conversation with him to figure out how it happened. I can only assume distraction of some kind. With the current A&P shortage, maintaining a friendly relationship with my shop is a high priority, so I'm inclined to be understanding.

Tom J has a fantastic little shop at which he was kind enough to help me out with an oil change. I'd go there, but it's logistically just a little bit too far for routine maintenance given my fairly tight work schedule.
 
Seriously. I had the same thought. The annoying part is that for weird reasons I actually have two GI-275s in the plane already, both AHRS-versions, but one is serving as the engine monitor! The purchase of a non-AHRS GI-275 would indeed let me get rid of that vacuum system and I discussed that option with the shop, but they wouldn't be able to get that done until sometime in late June, meaning another two months of a grounded aircraft. Then my brain says "hey, if you're dropping coin on another GI-275, why not think about just putting a G3X in there and quite screwing around with small instruments? I think everyone here is familiar with that gold-paved rabbit-hole.

Oh man, that third 275 is a no brainer. Safer, lighter, and more capable than vacuum gyros, and would probably cost less than replacing your trashed AI. For a lot of people, that would be a dream panel. Definitely worth a few months AOG or VFR-only.
 
The purchase of a non-AHRS GI-275 would indeed let me get rid of that vacuum system and I discussed that option with the shop, but they wouldn't be able to get that done until sometime in late June, meaning another two months of a grounded aircraft
Not sure how this grounds you for another 2 months, or does it really take two months for them to install it. Unless you mostly fly IFR, I would pull the existing one or put an inop sticker on it until the shop can get you in to put the GI-275 in. Or could you wait 6-7 month and have it installed in the winter when you aren't flying much anyway.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL
 
That's what our boat cost new.
I had that exact moment when I parted ways with my Arrow in '23. I went through a foundation repair on the house a year before; a month after the engine blew I had to replace my wife's vehicle when it got totaled. All well under the quoted cost to do an R/R inclusive engine replacement on an already cosmetic and damage history discounted 50+ year old airframe. Then to add insult to injury I could lift a house in 3 days for a fixed contract rate, vs a year+ on a revolving basis and no guarantee of additional expenses upon cracking open a simple axle grease clearance tractor engine from the paleocene epoch? I had to walk away. Theres a distinction between cost and value in my life, much as the poor shamers like to accuse that statement a cope. I also find the 'partnership' retort unpersuasive. Subsidy doesn't negate the root cause of the dynamic.

At the end of the day this is all regulatory induced, it isn't a technical problem. These things are way simpler than are represented in order to justify the premium. Just because they're illegal doesn't mean they aren't technically possible.
 
Any airplane can become a money pit ,if not continuously maintained,it starts with ignoring the little stuff.
 
Oh man, that third 275 is a no brainer. Safer, lighter, and more capable than vacuum gyros, and would probably cost less than replacing your trashed AI. For a lot of people, that would be a dream panel. Definitely worth a few months AOG or VFR-only.

Yeah, on reflection this is the way I've decided to go. Much as I'd like the real estate of a G3X, the expense is considerable and much more involved than swapping in a 275.

Not sure how this grounds you for another 2 months, or does it really take two months for them to install it. Unless you mostly fly IFR, I would pull the existing one or put an inop sticker on it until the shop can get you in to put the GI-275 in. Or could you wait 6-7 month and have it installed in the winter when you aren't flying much anyway.

I didn't really consider this, and it's a reasonable course of action. At least I can fly day-VFR and continue to trouble-shoot this low oil temp issue while pending the 275 install.
 
Airplane MX is stuck in the 40s-60s when they were designed. Are sealed wheel bearings used? I would hope they are but it's still part of an annual to remove clean grease bearings. Many MX items are required and yet cannot be changed.

I am happy to be in the E/AB space where you're allowed to use modern parts and methods.
 
Many MX items are required and yet cannot be changed.
Not really. You just need to know how to change those requirements provided the owner requests the change. So for your wheel bearing example, you as an A&P can change those "open" bearings to a sealed version using the proper process or install a set of Beringer wheels which do use sealed bearings.

As to the annual requirements it technically states "condition of bearing" so as with the Beringer bearing you simply check their condition. But if you prefer a bit more CYA on your part to sign off an annual for those sealed bearings you can request relief on the "remove clean grease bearings" stated portion via the Part 11 exemption process with your FSDO.
 
Not really. You just need to know how to change those requirements provided the owner requests the change. So for your wheel bearing example, you as an A&P can change those "open" bearings to a sealed version using the proper process or install a set of Beringer wheels which do use sealed bearings.

As to the annual requirements it technically states "condition of bearing" so as with the Beringer bearing you simply check their condition. But if you prefer a bit more CYA on your part to sign off an annual for those sealed bearings you can request relief on the "remove clean grease bearings" stated portion via the Part 11 exemption process with your FSDO.
Getting an STC or field approval to bring MX into the 1970s is not a solution.
Some airplanes do have a very long list of STCs... that may or may not be available at a reasonable or exorbitant fee.
Everything you listed requires time and money and worse, paperwork.
VARMA was a teeny-tiny step in the right direction but doesn't cover much.
If I read it correctly, an owner can redo the entire interior with their own signoff... but can't change to sealed bearings,and then has to find an AnP to sign off and get approved.
Where are all these Uber liberal AnPs that are signing this stuff off?
 
If I read it correctly, an owner can redo the entire interior with their own signoff... but can't change to sealed bearings,and then has to find an AnP to sign off and get approved.
Well, considering you would have to redesign the wheel, axle, and brake to accept a sealed bearing, is it your stance that older type certified aircraft should not have to follow the same alteration regulations as a newer, more modern TC’d aircraft?

Regardless, if it’s the time, money, and paperwork that gives you pause with signing off this type of work, simply put the aircraft under Experimental Exhibition and let the owner install sealed wheel bearings to his little hearts content. The only thing you’d would need to sign off then would be his yearly Condition Inspection?

Where are all these Uber liberal AnPs that are signing this stuff off?
I think the question is, why wouldn’t you assist the owner with this and sign off this stuff?
 
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