Can one log PIC time......

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Just for instance,.................could someone log PIC time MES, if 50 years ago a an owner tossed you the keys to an Aztec Nomad seaplane for you to reposition solo...........even if you didn't have a MES rating?
 
kgruber said:
Just for instance,.................could someone log PIC time MES, if 50 years ago a an owner tossed you the keys to an Aztec Nomad seaplane for you to reposition solo...........even if you didn't have a MES rating?
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Fifty years ago????? Absolutely, who the heck can challenge that??
 
As an airline headed renegade young Naval Aviator in my squadron said, back in the pre-digital age: "Fly what you can, log what you need."
 
A student may not have his ASEL and Logs PIC when solo. So why can’t the multi student log PIC when solo in an AMES?
 
I'm not sure what aspects of the question are important, and it's lacking some details, but here goes:

50 years ago? That was pre-1997 rewrite of Part 61. Unless the rules had changed again earlier than 1997 in this regard, at that time "solo" time (such as student solo) was NOT considered PIC time.

So, if you were signed off for solo in the Aztec Nomad seaplane, and flew it solo, you could not log it as PIC.

If you were NOT signed off for solo, for example you were an AMEL (no sea) plane pilot and the owner asked you to reposition the aircraft, then at least today you could not make that flight legally. If you did, then you wouldn't be able to log anything anyway.

If the airplane is amphibious, and you only land on land (not water), then you could legally do the flight with an AMEL certificate.
 
As long as you left a blank line there in your logbook, it’s all cool.

I would not, however, suggest logging it immediately below your most recent flight...might raise some eyebrows at your interview for the regionals.
 
Do what the mobsters do keep a second set of books. :D
 
Anyone who logged time 50 years ago shouldn't worry about logging anything and just stick to their Hoveround and watching Matlock reruns.
 
kgruber said:
Just for instance,.................could someone log PIC time MES, if 50 years ago a an owner tossed you the keys to an Aztec Nomad seaplane for you to reposition solo...........even if you didn't have a MES rating?
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Yep, as long as you aren't a student pilot. Just don't carry passengers unless you first make three takeoffs and landings to a full stop with a pilot who IS legal to carry passengers. Oh, and don't do it for hire. Them were the good ol' days. Did you do it?
 
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kgruber said:
Just for instance,.................could someone log PIC time MES, if 50 years ago a an owner tossed you the keys to an Aztec Nomad seaplane for you to reposition solo...........even if you didn't have a MES rating?
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Trick question. The Aztec didn't need keys to get it going. o_O
 
BillTIZ said:
A student may not have his ASEL and Logs PIC when solo. So why can’t the multi student log PIC when solo in an AMES?
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The way the rules are written.

If we are looking at today's rules, not 50 years ago, a student pilot undergoing training and with the applicable endorsements may log PIC when solo. That's 61.51(e)(4).

OTOH, a private pilots may "log" PIC when "the sole occupant of the aircraft." 61.51(e)(1)(ii). So, yes, it would be loggable. But, (still using today's rules), a pilot who is not rated in category and class may not "serve as PIC" without a solo endorsement (61.31)(d). So, while it would be loggable, it's usually considered bad form to log a violation :D.

50 years ago? 61.31(d) as of November, 1973 was substantively the same. It may have been different before since that version also had a grandfather clause for for logging solo PIC time prior to that date. Don't know that part. 61.51 was similar in authorizing "sole occupant" logging of PIC time by a private pilot but, as already pointed out, student pilots logging PIC when solo did not come about until 1997.
 
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