Air Wagner..... He’s baaaaackk.

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  1. denverpilot

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    Man, if you’re going to mega-troll Ed with ancient phrases like that one, at least learn how to spell them. LOL.
     
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    I have had some good moments, but I don't think I've ever had an entire flight that I was totally satisied with. There are always things forgotten, or done inartfully. Most people would never know. My passengers never did. But I knew.

    So I admire Jerry, in a way. He had the balls to put it out there. Was some of his technique lacking? Perhaps. But following his videos and the threads have made me review my outlook on a lot of things. You can call it "instruction by what not to do," but that's not entirely accurate. I thank him for what he did, and I wish him luck with his future flights.

    There have been two recent TV series about aviation, the one with the cute Alaskan girl, and the other about a cargo operation in Canada. Both operations could not continue in a TV series. The camera's unerring eye caught them violating regulations, or potentially violating regulations. Did they have cloud clearances on that last landing? Maybe, maybe not. Was the flight visibility enough to be legal?

    Nobody can withstand relentless scrutiny. Not Jerry, not me and not you.
     
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  3. LesGawlik

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    Oh, wow! You caught a typo! You da man!!

    What a stellar contribution to the discussion. We are all enlightened.
     
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    More enlightened than I am after watching an AW video.

    Well, not true... I did learn there is such a thing as secondary minimums from watching his channel. So next time I am getting closer to minimums and can't see the required visual indicators on the approach I have briefed (wait... he doesn't really brief his approaches, but I digress).... next time I get to minimums, I'll just use the JW method of blowing through them down to this secondary minimums. I never learned that during my IR training and the DPE didn't make me demonstrate it. But after being enlightened by Mr. AW.... well I feel confident I can get down even if it means 45* turns and -3000fpm... Very enlightening. Good for young pilots and people who are considering taking to the skies.
     
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    You could’ve caught it.

    Not my problem if you don’t know how to spell things while trolling, and received a grade of UNSAT.

    C’mon. Troll better. Give us some awesome objective reasons why Jerry’s the best Internet Pilot you ever saw.

    Make a list. Let’s see it.

    By the way... I laughed heartily at your “challenge” to the assembled folks you’re arguing Jerry’s greatness with to publish their own videos.

    You do know the one person who hammered you flat as a pancake with an objective example... which you ignored we noticed... has quite a well-respected body of both written and video work about flying on the Internet and in years of print, right?

    Ahhh. It’s definitely more fun when the trolls are clueless... I’ll let you go fish and find them.

    Anyway. In the meantime...

    Toss us some more of your objections to people’s objective measures of ol’ Jer’s Internet performance.

    Or those Deep Thoughts like “but but but.. I admire him!”

    Should be quite entertaining!

    By all means, continue trolling sir. I am so sorry I noted your spelling was wrong.

    I meant to flame broil your argument saying people should make aviation internet videos. My bad.

    I will endeavor to be a better counter-troll in the future.
     
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    I've got flying videos that are pushing 14 years old on my YT channel, but they are boring as hell, aren't self aggrandizing, nor anything that would generate any interest. Feel free to search for them and critique away.
     
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    LOL. And I wasn’t even including yours! :)
     
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    Thats because my total views are less that 3000 and filmed in spud-o-vision.
     
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    Yeah, but it’s high-definition spud-o-vision.
     
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    actually it wasnt. LOL. 360p probably
     
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    bwhahahahahahahahhah.

    Man I wish i had 11M subscribers - or at least the money off of having that many.
     
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    11M subs?

    That might pay well enough to buy a well-used Skyhawk and mayyybe properly maintain it. :)

    The real money is in being an “influencer”.

    How good are you at putting on makeup and other beauty products in front of a mirror and a camera? Can you say nice things about them even if they burn like fire?

    They’ll send cash.
     
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    facial hair and foundation don't really play well together, and I don't look so hot in daisy dukes and a tube top.
     
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    Shave your butt and make it look like cleavage. You’ll get rich.:D
     
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    Let’s try to ease back off the rhetoric here fellas before we get one of the more entertaining and longer running threads locked!!!
     
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    Yeah, that one cracked me up too. Do those Cezznaz not have alt air?
     
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    I was better than Jerry the day I took my instrument check ride and I’m an average pilot. Try again.
     
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    Damn. I just woke up and have to get that visual image stuck in my brain?
     
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    This one cracked me up.

    1. Static, not pitot, for altimeter
    2. The plane has alternate air switch (valve)
    3. It’s a pressurized cabin - breaking the glass on the VSI won’t get you a valid static source
     
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  23. LesGawlik

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    Do you not know better, or are you really this thick?

    I never held JW as an example of excellent or even good airmanship. I said I thought he was generally satisfactory. I did not spend a lot of time looking for errors. I have not watched all of his videos.

    I never said I admired his piloting skills. I said I admired his willingness to post his videos. And I do. Go ahead, put 'em up. Not just a few fragments, but taxi out to taxi in. Not just CAVU, but IMC and marginal, too.

    ETA: There is one guy who does it, but I don't think he's typing in this thread. Missionary Bush Pilot or something like that. I think he's an excellent pilot, with good ADM and skills. He's in PNG, so the FAA does not apply. Apparently his boss runs a pretty tight ship, so that may be worse.
     
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    I must be a knucklehead, but here goes. The only things I can see that someone would gig me for is:

    1. Shallow turns in the pattern, but I had a passenger onboard who had never flown GA, and wanted their experience to be pleasant, not scary.
    2. I didn't full stall the landing, and in the Mooney I often don't
    3. There is no excitement whatsoever, which is why it only has 140 or so views. This approach and landing are about as exciting as watching sap run in January
    OK, hit me!

     
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    With the number of spin stall accidents in the pattern you'd have to be kind of dim to gig someone for shallow turns in the pattern.

    Nice job, you just got another view.
     
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    Looks like his videos are all private now.
     
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    In terms of actual violations which the FAA might have spoken to him about. Was the dive at a 45 degree angle with the 3000 fpm descent through a hole in the clouds after cancelling IFR a failure to land properly out of an instrument approach using normal maneuvering? Or does the fact that he cancelled VFR get him off the hook there? Did he have proper clearance from the clouds to be cancelling and flying VFR there?
     
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    Yes, captured that one off of Vimeo for posterity. Are there copies of other Air Wagner videos around. Perhaps we can make a collection. I would like to get a copy of the 45 degree bank and 3000 fpm dive.

    I was able to find the bay bridge with daughter and friends one as well.
     
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    Nice job! I landed at KFGU a few years ago. Was picking up a dog from a breeder. I remember that the runway had a large dip ( belly ) about half way down. The people at the FBO were super nice and the fuel was cheep! Great GA airport :)
     
  30. Bill

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    Yeah, it's interesting, the runway falls away from you no matter which direction you land. A picture from a previous post:

    How far do you lean while on the ground before takeoff

    [​IMG]
     
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    People have copied them, he had re edited or deleted the one where he pops out of the bottom of a cloud at high speed in the start of a death spiral, but someone reposted it, I think in a professional pilot forum. I found the instruction one on the googles.
     
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    I remember it because the event was interesting for a number of things other than the exit from the clouds. Its funny because one of the things Jerry has learned to do better in the time I have watched is understand how his equipment works. He has even accepted suggestions from viewers. His panel approach checklist is the result of one comment thread on a video (which is actually similar in one respect to "bank and dive."

    Anyway, it was in 2018, the usual flight to OAK. ILS 28R. Garmin GNS and a Sandel HSI. The Sandel auto slews when GPS is the nav source. Nothing particularly unusual. When GPS is the nav source, the HSI course pointer will automatically follow the GPS course instead of having to turn it manually. But auto slew only works when the NAV source is GPS. You have to turn the course pointer manually for VLOC. Garmin even issued a service alert about it.

    Of course, Jerry didn't know that it and was expecting the HSI course pointer to automatically turn when he switched the Garmin CDI from GPS to VLOC. It didn't and the expected occurred. Right through and ends up well left of the localizer and, since he was distracted from the task, no descent on GS either. Eventually he realizes what is going on (and blames the "malfunctioning" auto slew). The solution is the one we've come to expect and which he he "teaches" in one of those recent videos: When you are abnormally high and off course on an instrument approach, dive and bank sharply.
     
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    You haven’t even watched the videos and you are arguing with us... classic POA.
     
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    Would love to get the dropping out of the cloud one. Just found the flight into smoke one and downloaded.
     
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    Should be able to search on the NTSB final report, if the 4th survived and gave testimony, I'd believe it would be in the report. The GPS track the guy took to runway 03 was bizarre.

    [​IMG]

    For comparison, from my Foreflight track log an approach to 03 I did from a similar direction:

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    Which one? Here is one of them, probably the scariest IMO: AW 40-end (streamable.com)
     
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    Nice!1/2 scale deflection on the lateral guidance, I can't even find the vertical guidance, and he drops like a rock out of the cloud. I couldn't find the VSI, but I'd assume he's dropping far faster than 400fpm.