2017 Garmin Pilot vs. Foreflight vs. WingX

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Eric Gleason, Nov 3, 2017.

  1. olasek

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    He is no longer leaning, he has already made up his mind. This is what it is all about - you try them all and then decide what works best for you. I was once solidly in the Garmin Pilot camp, I tend to like to support underdogs (GP's market share is about 6-8 times smaller then FF's) and was even resisting to give FF a try but once I did there was turning back. Like you said to each his own. My wife is now on the market to replace her car and the selection of potential cars is so vast she is totally lost, fortunately we only have a handful of EFBs to consider.
     
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    I think it was not ADSB boxes specifically, it was a general ban that applied to non-approved electronics being used in flight. The ban was lifted some time ago.
     
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  4. Eric Gleason

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    We had that same ban. It was targeted at cell phone use and selfies happening during flight , but written in vague language to avoid loopholes like "you didn't say I couldn't use my tablet to take a selfie." I don't think there was any intent to prevent people from using ADS-B units, EFBs, or topo software.
     
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    Yep, technically, the ban is still in place but the wing addendum gave final authority to the PIC.
     
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    MAGA - Make Apple Great Again :)
     
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    I tried them all out post solo and fond the Garmin Pilot on ipad had the easiest and most natural UX/logic for ME.

    I agree that you need to try the 30 day trials, but I found wingX I couldn't even figure out how to get it going. foreflight I got a few things to work and garmin pilot largely just worked, for my style of interacting. I'm a windows users natively. I suspect that IPAD natives like FF and PC natives like Garmin pilot.

    Conversely, I hate the GNS interface and find it very difficult to keep track of what I should do. it basically requires memorizing how to do things, which is crazy. you have a screen and buttons, make it obvious what someone should do.
     
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    I found WingX to be the easiest and most intuitive..... :D

    ....and I have a Garmin ADS-B stack in the plane. I refuse to give Garmin another $$$ grab.
     
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    I'm glad this got resurrected, albeit not for that reason. I'm trying to decide between Ipads and GPS as well. I think I'm going to give the Sentry a try. I like the price point and it does everything the Stratus does. As far as Ipad, probably a 9.5 wifi. I don't need the cellular stuff and I think a Mini might be too small.
     
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    + 1 on WingX, it’s basic looking compared to others , but then it doesn’t rely on the latest iOS for all the eye candy stuff and can be had for 99 cents and free for CFI.

    Runs on Android as well.
     
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    I've used GP and and FF. They're both good- you can nitpick the details of each but no one has ever smacked the side of a mountain because they used "the other EFB". They both talk to Garmin avionics through flightstream and have the other marquee level features that'd want/need.

    I like FF's enhanced mapping features and I just "feel" like I'm getting more useful information with FF. I know for a fact that FF has more airport diagram overlays by a mile- which I really like.

    GP is a lot easier to use, but you don't need a graduate degree to figure out FF. However, if you could get a graduate degree in "Rolling Your Eyes in Annoyance Science" then a school could offer using FF as an elective.
     
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    Have you tried iFlyGPS?
     
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    I’m a ForeFlight user,have been since they came on the scene,have a friend that uses FlyQ who likes it .
     
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    WingX Pro is free for CAP also. It also does 45 and 60 degree search patterns whereas FF does only one of those two.
     
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    Out of curiosity, how do you do that ? Might be worthwhile adding to the user guide
     
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    Why pay for something that is free? Fltplan Go has full ADS-B support, is free, and includes georeferenced maps and approaches.

    For VFR flying, I would not pick anything else. Spend the annual subscription fee all the others charge on AvGas.
     
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    And now owned by Garmin so bye bye free !!!
     
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    Only if you update it.
     
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    You know for a fact Go is going away or to a paid app? None of us know what is next for Go. Purely speculation.

    Today we have a great free app and go that way. None of know about tomorrow so deal it it when it happens.
     
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    When you say update, you referring updating the app or the charts ?

    I suspect chart and plate updates would be suspended and will probably go pay-to-play and only interfaces with their pilot app, why else would they purchase it.

    It is a shame that’s its RIP for free version
     
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    Just curious if you got the Sentry, and if so any comments?

    I just ordered one. Probably should also update my version 1 iPad. The Sentry also has gps so don’t need cellular at all. I’ll still carry my Bad Elf as a backup.
     
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    Don’t update the app, I think the app gets the charts directly from FAA.
     
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    We don't know if it's RIP or not.
     
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    If FltPlan was “identical” in its look&feel and features to FF then I would feel stupid indeed to pay for something which is free, but it is far from identical, offers many cool features plus it’s price is inconsequential to my other costs of flying. Again, your mileage may vary, it is just my $0.02.



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  25. GLMS_NC

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    I don't NEED most of what FF offers. Got a gps in your plane? Have ADS-B?

    I NEED georeferenced charts and plates. And maps. Both apps have. Cool features beyond charts/plates aren't required items and don't help IFR Pilots as we can't legally meet requirements with them.

    Think about this. You say $200 is inconsequential. When u buy a book an amazon u can read it anywhere. Phone, tablet, computer, etc. same with music.

    Why do I pay Garmin for gtn750 GPS charts, pay for an EFB app with charts, and have to buy charts for my G500, Aspen, Dynon, etc.

    All these "inconsequential" charges quickly add up. The more we accepted these business practices the less chance we have for vendors to change their policies.
     
  26. Eric Gleason

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    I’ve been using FF for the better part of a year now, and couldn’t be happier with it. The support is phenomenal (email responses come in minutes, even after hours and in weekends) and it’s incredibly intuitive for me to use. I have occasionally tried free ones and keep deciding I’d rather pay for a great EFB than dick around with a free one. I do have a free WingX subscription through CAP and will probably use that for the geo referenced approach plates, but not for en route or planning.

    The only objection I have to FF right now is that it’s iOS only, and I really want to keep my small tablet for use in the plane. I may evaluate using other apps on an 8” android tablet, and I’m also keeping my fingers crossed that the next crop of iPads introduces a small enough bezel that the footprint of the 9.7” tablet isn’t too much bigger than the Mini 4.




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    It could end up as a VFR only product with Garmin pop up ads.
     
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    It is $86 per my last subscription renewal. I stick to what I said - per all the features that I get it’s a bargain. Of course I could get by with FltPlan but here I get a bit of “luxury”, intuitiveness and the flavor of touch & feel that I like, for you maybe waste of money for me is $ very well spent.
     
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  29. Eric Gleason

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    I've always found it curious that folks don't see the value in buying really good tools. When I was in my 20s and poor, I was the same way, but then one day I splurged on a great tool and saw how much easier it made the work, and how much better my results are.

    The same thing applies here. Sure, you can do the same things with free products (mostly), but it takes more effort, brain cycles, and troubleshooting when things don't work as expected. $99 is the current base price, and it works brilliantly.
     
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    I love how some pilots tell other pilots what they don’t need.
    Whether it’s an EFB or fancy avionics. Maybe it’s jealously?
    For those do that, here is something you don’t need: an airplane!
     
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    I need it all.....:D
     
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    A software that only runs on iOS was a deal breaker for me. I went through a bunch of software and settled on the Garmin Pilot.
     
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    I've been using GP as I have no interest in anything Apple, but just bought an IFD440. Might try and find something that'll play with that instead now...
     
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    I’ve been using the basic ForeFlight for a year now and love it. Im sure I could get along with Garmin pilot if I needed to. I have a free subscription to WingX, and while features are great on paper, the interface is horrendous and app performance is mediocre.

    I’ve started loading approach plates in WingX to get the geolocated position, and using FF for everything else.



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    And less than $90 for 3 years !!!
     
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    I prefer wingx pro for VFR, it has a number of little things that are great for burger runs. FF has a great planning tool, esp with the internet version. Buy the 29 buck version and you will get the version 8 coming up.
    We fly with 2 mini 4s on the yokes and dance between the two programs.
    If you happen to be going the stratus route with gps it would be interesting to see if Black Friday mini 4 w/o cell/gps would be economical.
     
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    Buying Foreflight for VFR use is not a kind of a waste of money when you can get WingX for 99 cents.
     
  40. Eric Gleason

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    In the same kind of way that buying a nice cheesecake from a good bakery is a waste of money when you can buy a whole box of Little Debbie's for 99 cents.
     
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