10 airplanes to avoid

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  1. brien23

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    Top 10 airplanes to avoid entirely.
    1. Cessna 175
    2. Any Bonanza prior to 1958
    3. Cessna pre 1971 model 172 with flat gear spring .
    4. Any Cessna with a O-300 engine
    5. Cessna 337
    6. Piper Cherokee without the control levers in a throttle quadrant.
    7. Piper Tripacer or Pacer
    8. Any round engine plane
    9. Any geared engine
    10 Any Franklin engine aircraft.
     
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    And this list is based on... ?? What you've heard, or read on the internet, or did you own any of these? I'm pretty sure plenty of people would disagree with the list.
     
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    Based on the various threads I have read here on PoA over the last year or so, your list should also include:

    - No high wing airplanes;
    - No low wing airplanes;
    - No airplanes with retractable gear;
    - No light twins;
    - No airplanes without a parachute;
    - No airplanes without side stick controls;
    - No airplane made out of plastic;
    - No airplane with a Continental motor... ;)
     
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    Big BS!!
     
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    Just my list from working on them for the past 40 years some a little more some a little less.
    A&P/IA CFI CFII
     
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    Yea, whatever. . . . .


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    :yikes:, based on???
     
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    Poppycock! It would be helpful if you had an explanation behind these. :sosp:
     
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    WTF? The guy who complains about GA dying telling people to stay away from perfectly good airplanes.

    So much pure BS in that list.
     
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    And one more to the list:

    Any airplane he has worked on. Apparently airplanes are too cranky, much like their caretakers.

    If you hate 90% of the GA fleet, then why even bother?
     
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    I agree.....not.
     
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    You must not be a very good A&P then if those airplanes are kicking yer butt.
     
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    By the looks of his location, A&Ps in that neck of the woods are quite contrary!
     
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    I was going to put Cessna 310 prior to D model on the list, other aircraft bumped it off.
     
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    Just my list and advice to anyone thinking of buying one on the list, their are so many other great planes to buy.
     
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    Well, he did mention round engines. We know how you hate those.
     
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    I’ll admit that many of those shouldn’t be considered by the average pilot/first time owner.

    But- this is also a function of money. If you are looking at an old 35 thinking “cheap flying”, well, not so fast. It depends. If you can handle the bumps, it isn’t as bad as many would indicate.

    Regardless, you need an A&P willing to actually learn the quirks of these older types. It’s the reason the previous owner of mine got his A&P ticket. I might head down the same path- I don’t want a guy wrenching on my Art Deco airplane but would rather be working on an SR22.
     
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    Airplane to avoid: The one you see with constant bearing, decreasing range.

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    310?! Man you're ****ed up.
     
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    Working in a 1930s Art Deco airplane vs a Cirrus is no different than working on a Model A vs a BMW.

    You might make more money as a BMW mechanic, but you’ll have a much easier and enjoyable job working on the antique.
     
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    I thought the list would include:

    - Any plane with a Lycoming bottom end
    - Any plane with a Continental top end
     
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    Say- where’s Tom? This could get interesting.
     
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    I'm pretty sure he's on the same island.
     
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    Cessna, Piper and the Bo have gotten better over the years who would not want the improvements. The early years had some problems that the later models did away with. As for the Franklin engine parts are getting a little hard to find for them. My list is based on that not on how hard or easy they are to work but the upgrades over the years making them better, and the older ones something to stay away from for someone to buy. The only airplane on the list i do not like to work on is the Cessna 337.
     
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    Oh oh now he's hedging...:rolleyes:
     
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    I would just not buy an airplane, of course, I already own one so no need.
     
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    I always thought the 337 was a sweet looking plane. Zero personal knowledge of performance or quirks. I would think its a kick in the pants to fly..
     
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    Cessna stopped making them and it was not due to a long waiting list for new ones.
     
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    Soooo...
    According to your list, most warbirds are out. Are you nuts? Sure, the average joe probably shouldn’t be getting himself into a Sea Fury, Corsair, etc without substantial time in the books and $$$ in the accounts. Doesn’t mean there is anything wrong with the planes. No different from the premise that I shouldn’t be looking at Gulfstreams.
     
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    They strike me as being a mechanical nightmare, starting with the gear. And the idea of being sandwiched between the engines never appealed to me.
     
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    That's true of many models though. Doesn't mean they're unsafe or undesirable. Well I might give you undesirable being they're not made anymore.
     
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    #9 seems odd, in that the geared ROTAX engine is probably the most popular aircraft engine out there right now.
     
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    Weird. The C337 is probably the best light twin ever created. Ever.

    In the history of aviation.
     
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    Yes, ROTAX is popular and probably should not be part of my list as I know nothing about them.
     
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    What's the deal with the pre-D 310? Is that the cutoff for the overwing exhaust augmentors? Is that even the extent of the differences? I thought all these models were relatively equally expensive to maintain airframe parts wise, with a special place for the turbo models of course. Parts aren't exactly cheap nor easy to get these days for the 310s.

    At any rate, the one I didn't see on the list which I would include, would be the leafspring legged 210s with the midget seats. Especially the ones with the engine driven hydraulic pump, let alone the earlier ones with the shared hydraulic flaps on said setup. A six seater without 6 seats, a twin in cost without the twin engine. :D The tube-legged 210s are more manageable by comparison.