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What happens if I depart during the day and land two hours after civil twilight? How do I log that time?
Time zones shouldn't matter, except that whatever reference you consult for evening civil twilight may list it in local time.Ok. What happens if you cross a timezone in the middle of that? Just calculate based on associated times at the destination right?
Everything still applies. I found this article that explains it a bit more from AOPA.
https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media...rt-through-the-different-definitions-of-night
The way they interpreted it I would just start logging night time when I see sun set and then the landings for night currency would be valid 1 hour after that.
Here's the question though, do you write down the exact time of your departure and landing in your log book? I don't.
I also don't see anyone who's looking at your log book taking the time to try to track every flight you made via flight aware or anything else, not that a VFR flight would even show up anyways.
It's easy to check what time sunset is, but not nearly as easy to find out exactly what time your flight was, and though the regulations are black and white nobody is really holding you to it by the minute. If they were there would be a column for time of takeoff and landing in the logbook, and that's not something I've ever seen.
Use your best judgement, and err on the side of logging less and you can't really go wrong.
If the time is not used to qualify for a certificate, rating or privilege, I thought it wasn't a required entry....While technically the amount of day or night flight time is a required entry for flights you do log, this is one of those entries where (1) there are very few certificate, ratings and privileges that require continued night flight totals, (2) your honor system entry is unlikely to be questioned or thought of as intentional logbook falsification (61.59), and (3) no one really cares about de minimus errors.
Sure it is, if you use an EFB. Foreflight and Cloud Ahoy both make it easy to determine when you took off and landed. CA may even have timestamped bread crumbs, it's been a long time since I've used it so I don't recall. The only time it gets tricky is during east-west flights when the civil twilight times can shift by 15 minutes or more during a flight leg. I've been known to try to figure it out from airports along my route of flight, but I'm a bit anal about things like that and this is really overkill.It's easy to check what time sunset is, but not nearly as easy to find out exactly what time your flight was, and though the regulations are black and white nobody is really holding you to it by the minute. If they were there would be a column for time of takeoff and landing in the logbook, and that's not something I've ever seen.
Agree.Use your best judgement, and err on the side of logging less and you can't really go wrong.
This.That seems too imprecise for something that's legally required and easily looked up. I would make sure the takeoffs and landings took place at least one hour after the official sunset time at the location where I did those takeoffs and landings (and at least one hour before the official sunrise).
Sure it is, if you use an EFB. Foreflight and Cloud Ahoy both make it easy to determine when you took off and landed.
Since currency requires landings and takeoffs you only accomplished one of those on this flight.What happens if I depart during the day and land two hours after civil twilight? How do I log that time?
Read what 61.51 says. Also notice I said "technically". For example, I haven't logged solo in a loooonnng time.If the time is not used to qualify for a certificate, rating or privilege, I thought it wasn't a required entry.
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That's what I'm talking about. I'm not seeing even a technical requirement to log time that you're not using for anything.Read what 61.51 says. Also notice I said "technically". For example, I haven't logged solo in a loooonnng time.
That seems too imprecise for something that's legally required and easily looked up. I would make sure the takeoffs and landings took place at least one hour after the official sunset time at the location where I did those takeoffs and landings (and at least one hour before the official sunrise).
Hey, I'm always up for some gratuitous over-analyzing!...keeping in mind, of course, that those times are for the earth's surface...you'd need to apply the appropriate corrections for your altitude if your flight is part day and part night.
...if you REALLY want to overthink it!
flying logbook - golf score card....not much difference.
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Ok. What happens if you cross a timezone in the middle of that? Just calculate based on associated times at the destination right?
Wouldn't logging in Zulu time take care of all that?
I have only had two flights, with two different instructors. My first the instructor is a very good pilot with lots of experience and seemed to be very aware of the rules, etc. in other words he likes to do things right and follow the required rules. He entered the times in my log book in local time.
Next instructor, next flight, he goes to log and gets startled as he is filling in..."is your log book in local or Zulu time" "I'm not sure which it should be" "oh.." and then he fills in in local time.
Now, from this thread I realize why it probably should be in Zulu time as that stays constant right? Time zones wouldn't matter if it was in Zulu crossing timezones??
This is Norway, but as far as I can tell, the USA leads in all things aviation and most if not all rules, etc. are very similar. So, I'm not sure if one can adjust a log (or notate for a log that the times were not in Zulu) and therafter make the times be Zulu?
Does your personal pilot logbook have columns for the actual clock time? Mine and most I have seen just have columns for elapsed time which normally comes from either the Hobbs meter or just knowing what time I took off and landed. Elapsed time is all that really matters in the end when it comes to recording personal flight time.
Now, the aircraft logbooks that most airlines use do have columns for clock time and most if not all of those are recorded in Zulu. However, I do not think that is an issue in this thread.