NCAA football and pay for play

[N801BH]

Could solve this whole problem by banning admissions charges to college events. Allow TV stations to televise the events without paying the schools anything. Take the money out of the question and see what arguments can be made then.

But, what about the children.......

 

[poadeleted21]

Call it a paid internship. Our interns don't get paid what a partner gets paid. But they get something.

Hell, a lot of interns don't get paid anything. My daughter needed well over 1,000 hours of hands-on work with animals before she could even apply to vet schools. Four summers working 40-50 hours per week getting paid precisely zero. It's called " paying your dues."

Would your daughter have been blackballed from the vet community and not allowed to reasonably continue her career if the vet decided to pay her? would she have been thrown out of college if an appreciative customer had tipped her or loaned her a car for a few days? or offered to give her a free tattoo?

In other words there's absolutely nothing stopping your daughter from getting paid except market value.

 

[EdFred]

I'm pretty sure if she tried practicing veterinary medicine without a license she'd have hell to pay.

 

[poadeleted21]

I'm pretty sure if she tried practicing veterinary medicine without a license she'd have hell to pay.

That's not what she was doing though. She was helping. Nothing stopping the vet from paying her for her time other than 10 other kids lined up ready to work for free.

If the market value for star QB is zero. Then that's what it should pay. That's not the market value though.

 

[EdFred]

You're right. It's the value of a scholarship.

Fact is, the schools joined the NCAA. The schools agreed to these rules. End of story.

 

[denverpilot]

You're right. It's the value of a scholarship.

Fact is, the schools joined the NCAA. The schools agreed to these rules. End of story.

Sounds like organized crime.

 

[poadeleted21]

You're right. It's the value of a scholarship.

Fact is, the schools joined the NCAA. The schools agreed to these rules. End of story.

And "time's they are a chaaaangin'" Rules change, this is a proposed rule change. I agree with it.

I have no idea why anyone would care if a QB at Michigan is making $500K a year? The market set's the value, not you and me.

NCAA Football is NFL welfare right now.

 

[EdFred]

Sounds like organized crime.

Not really. No one is forcing anyone to play.

 

[EdFred]

And "time's they are a chaaaangin'" Rules change, this is a proposed rule change. I agree with it.

I have no idea why anyone would care if a QB at Michigan is making $500K a year? The market set's the value, not you and me.

NCAA Football is NFL welfare right now.

Won't happen. Because about 10 schools will say yeah, lets do it, and nearly 300 will say no effin way. That doesn't even include DII or DIII schools who are part of the NCAA as well.

 

[poadeleted21]

Won't happen. Because about 10 schools will say yeah, lets do it, and nearly 300 will say no effin way. That doesn't even include DII or DIII schools who are part of the NCAA as well.

How about this.

You think Johnny Manziel should have been able to sign an endorsement deal with Nike during his freshman year?

What about take a few hundred bucks to sign some autographs for a memorabilia broker?

 

[EdFred]

No. I don't think he should have been able to. He agreed to a scholarship and everything that was tied to it.

 

[poadeleted21]

No. I don't think he should have been able to. He agreed to a scholarship and everything that was tied to it.

We're talking about changing the rules for the FUTURE and what these guys sign up for in the FUTURE.

I don't believe the current rules are sane, if the colleges don't want to pay them fine, but at least let the guys go earn what they can. Every other student at the uni is allowed to.

 

[eetrojan]

So, what do you think? Should the kids who bring in the revenue from college sports get a cut?

This is an interesting topic.

There are 125 FBS (“Football Bowl Subdivision”) schools, the ones that we used to call “Division 1A” schools. These are the schools that we associate with the traditional or more recent football powers including, alphabetically and off the top of my head, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Stanford, Texas, UCLA, and USC. I’m sure there are some teams you would delete, and some other teams you would add, but the point is, it’s a short list that you could probably expand to include around 25 schools.

It seems pretty clear that the NCAA’s rules on requiring and maintaining “amateur” status, scholarship limits (85 max per school), etc., were all designed to maintain a level playing field between the top 25 FBS schools and the other 100 FB schools that are NOT traditional powers.

I am conflicted about this. These FBS schools make a lot of money from football. And, it certainly seems fair if the players were to get paid during their college playing years by the schools, or by a donor, or by a shoe company. At some point, however, they would cease to be student-athletes and they would simply be mercenaries.

I see that some already think that they are. Bear in mind, however, that these 125 FBS schools each have 85 kids on scholarship for a total of 10,625. Since scholarships have a maximum duration of 5 years, that works out to about 2,125 new scholarships per year and, therefore, about the same number leaving each year - 2,125 players.

Each year, the NFL drafts about 250 players through seven rounds of player selection. That means only about 1 in 10 of the college players even gets an NFL sniff (many of those drafted in lower rounds don’t make a team). The other 90% of the 2,125 players leaving an FBS college team go on to be business men, bankers, lawyers, pilots, etc.

This other 90%, therefore, would be served well in life by their university connections and their college degrees. I’m ignoring the fact that some players don’t graduate, and more than 10% “think” they have what it takes to play in the NFL, but it’s still pretty accurate.

I would be pretty disappointed if the system were transformed to the point that my university LITERALLY became an NFL farm team, one where each player was paid in more than tuition, books, housing, food, and walk around money.

If it became some sort of pay for play, a small subset of the teams would probably become dominant and eventually separate themselves from the other schools who simply can’t afford to compete. It would probably be the 25 power teams. My alma mater is one of those teams in case it matters.

I like the fact that 90% of the players are voluntarily playing for their free ride and just “for fun,” for the love of the game, not because they view it as a stepping stone to the NFL.

If the players, or subset of players, cause a true pay to play system to emerge, those players would not represent my school. They would be mercenaries and nothing at all like the regular students. I will lose interest and, assuming I’m the norm, the money will stop flowing.

The folks that run these universities are also mindful of the fact that their mission is education. They like the money and the pageantry of sports, but at some point, they will refuse to lend their institutional names to true farm teams.

I do, however, think that the NFL should eliminate its rule that requires potential players to be more than three years beyond high school to be eligible. There are VERY FEW kids that would be even close to being ready. If a kid thinks that he's a sure thing to make a team, and is willing to blow his amateur eligibility in trying, go for it.

 

[EdFred]

We're talking about changing the rules for the FUTURE and what these guys sign up for in the FUTURE.

I don't believe the current rules are sane, if the colleges don't want to pay them fine, but at least let the guys go earn what they can. Every other student at the uni is allowed to.

Yeah, I don't think the rules should be changed. Maybe give the kids a stipend of an additional $500 or $1000 a month so they can buy some clothes, or something. However, title IX is going to require all S-As get that money. So more sports will get cut by schools. Although, it's freaking school which is what you are supposed to be going there for. So cut all sports, and just let all the pro leagues set up minor leagues.

 

[poadeleted21]

This is an interesting topic.

There are 125 FBS (“Football Bowl Subdivision”) schools, the ones that we used to call “Division 1A” schools. These are the schools that we associate with the traditional or more recent football powers including, alphabetically and off the top of my head, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Oregon, Stanford, Texas, UCLA, and USC. I’m sure there are some teams you would delete, and some other teams you would add, but the point is, it’s a short list that you could probably expand to include around 25 schools.

It seems pretty clear that the NCAA’s rules on requiring and maintaining “amateur” status, scholarship limits (85 max per school), etc., were all designed to maintain a level playing field between the top 25 FBS schools and the other 100 FB schools that are NOT traditional powers.

I am conflicted about this. These FBS schools make a lot of money from football. And, it certainly seems fair if the players were to get paid during their college playing years by the schools, or by a donor, or by a shoe company. At some point, however, they would cease to be student-athletes and they would simply be mercenaries.

I see that some already think that they are. Bear in mind, however, that these 125 FBS schools each have 85 kids on scholarship for a total of 10,625. Since scholarships have a maximum duration of 5 years, that works out to about 2,125 new scholarships per year and, therefore, about the same number leaving each year - 2,125 players.

Each year, the NFL drafts about 250 players through seven rounds of player selection. That means only about 1 in 10 of the college players even gets an NFL sniff (many of those drafted in lower rounds don’t make a team). The other 90% of the 2,125 players leaving college teams go on to be business men, bankers, lawyers, pilots, etc.

This other 90%, therefore, would be served well in life by their university connections and their college degrees. I’m ignoring the fact that some players don’t graduate, and more than 10% “think” they have what it takes to play in the NFL, but it’s still pretty accurate.

I would be pretty disappointed if the system were transformed to the point that my university LITERALLY became an NFL farm team, one where each player was paid in more than tuition, books, housing, food, and walk around money.

If it became some sort of pay for play, a small subset of the teams would probably become dominant and eventually separate themselves from the other schools who simply can’t afford to compete. It would probably be the 25 power teams. My alma mater is one of those teams in case it matters.

I like the fact that 90% of the players are voluntarily playing for their free ride and just “for fun,” for the love of the game, not because they view it as a stepping stone to the NFL.

If the players, or subset of players, cause a true pay to play system to emerge, those players would not represent my school. They would be mercenaries and nothing at all like the regular students. I will lose interest and, assuming I’m the norm, the money will stop flowing.

The folks that run these universities are also mindful of the fact that their mission is education. They like the money and the pageantry of sports, but at some point, they will refuse to lend their institutional names to true farm teams.

I do, however, think that the NFL should eliminate its rule that requires potential players to be more than three years beyond high school to be eligible. There are VERY FEW kids that would be even close to being ready. If a kid thinks that he's a sure thing to make a team, and is willing to blow his amateur eligibility in trying, go for it.

The three year thing means…. NCAA is already the NFL Farm league. If not, where is it? The folks that run the universities are RICO dirty and couldn't care less about eduction when it comes to top tier athletes. Go find the ESPN headline of the week for confirmation. The players are already mercenaries, unpaid ones. Nobody at the Florida State gives a **** about Jameis Wiston's education above and beyond what it takes to keep him eligible to throw footballs even then, with players of that caliber they'll cheat like hell to make sure he stays eligible if he can't/won't do it himself. He's stuck at FSU for one more year of labor without any other viable option. Pay the kid. At the very least, let him sign that Nike contract. The kid on a Math scholarship could.

 

[EdFred]

Then what Winston needs to do is quit school, sign the contract with Nike and hire trainers with that money to get him NFL ready. No one is forcing him to stay in school.

 

[eetrojan]

The three year thing means…. NCAA is already the NFL Farm league. If not, where is it? The folks that run the universities are RICO dirty and couldn't care less about eduction when it comes to top tier athletes. Go find the ESPN headline of the week for confirmation. The players are already mercenaries, unpaid ones. Nobody at the Florida State gives a **** about Jameis Wiston's education above and beyond what it takes to keep him eligible to throw footballs even then, with players of that caliber they'll cheat like hell to make sure he stays eligible if he can't/won't do it himself. He's stuck at FSU for one more year of labor without any other viable option. Pay the kid. At the very least, let him sign that Nike contract. The kid on a Math scholarship could.

I'm not certain this is correct, but I believe the three year rule is somewhat unassailable because it is part of the collective bargaining agreement between the NFL owners and the players association. And, theoretically, it has some basis in safety.

I'm with you though. I wish it was gone.

 

[eetrojan]

Pay the kid. At the very least, let him sign that Nike contract. The kid on a Math scholarship could.

True, but that's academic. If he want to remain an amateur (a necessary status to keep his scholarship), the kid on a golf scholarship can't earn any money based on his skills or notoriety relating to golf.

 

[poadeleted21]

True, but that's academic. If he want to remain an amateur (a necessary status to keep his scholarship), the kid on a golf scholarship can't earn any money based on his skills or notoriety relating to golf.

That's what we're discussing changing. The kid on a CS scholarship can work part time doing software development, it's even encouraged and the university tries to find them work.

Keeping folks from buying Jameis Winston Nike's that the Uni doesn't get a cut of is what they're protecting.

 

[docmirror]

I need to make some corrections maybe.

1. Any/all NCAA scholarship athletes can work part time during their scholarship time. There are restrictions on it, and the employer will often be audited to insure the work is real work, and not just some phone-in BS job, but several of the kids I know in D1 with a ride have PT jobs, including my kid.

2. The new rules put in roughly a decade ago did away with the coaches discretion on practice/workout/play time per week. The new rules are complex, and filled with loopholes. The rule is 4 hours per day, and a max of 20 hours per week not counting direct competitive activities(games), with 8 hours of strength and conditioning per week. Now - before Hernadez pops a seam, and tells me I'm FOS, he is absolutely correct about the long, grueling hours that every player, and most bench players put in. No matter what the mandatory maximum is, every school finds a way around it.

The way it's done at my kid's school is that a 'volunteer'(non-coaching empl) will have run of the facilities needed, and all the paid coaches will remain uninvolved in the 'voluntary' workouts and practices, along with scrimmages. The deal is since it's voluntary, and it's a workout and not training, and it's a scrimmage, and not team drills or direct training it doesn't count on the 20 hours per week. The reality is that most D1 athletes in the competitive fields outside of the ivy league spend maybe 35-45 hours per week in actual required sports training, conditioning, scrimmage, workouts, etc.

3. The NCAA has also changed the rules on class attendance, grading, and the student requirements for taking tests, and the use of tutors or counselors. Of course, nearly every D1 school will find a way to get around that as well. How do you think Sherman passed any of his courses at Stanford? Not by study I can assure you.

In summary, what this leads to is that the revenue players will always have maintain a GPA that allows them to compete. In a very rare case where a kid(in basketball or football) in a revenue spot is DQ for academics, they are given 6 weeks to get back on track or the coaching staff will sack them, not the university. Nothing worse than paying a kids tuition of he can't cut the minimum standards for academics AND he isn't allowed to produce on the field.

 

[poadeleted21]

I'm not certain this is correct, but I believe the three year rule is somewhat unassailable because it is part of the collective bargaining agreement between the NFL owners and the players association. And, theoretically, it has some basis in safety.

I'm with you though. I wish it was gone.

There are dozens and dozens of cases where students grades/test results were faked, rapes covered up, child molestation covered up, money, bribes etc.. etc.. etc… being covered up to keep the cash cow on the field.

If they don't want to pay them. Fine.

Pick the guys from the existing student body who voluntarily try out, no contacting them whatsoever.
Coach get's picked from the existing teachers/professors and get's paid no more than any other professor.
Quit selling the kid's jersey at the book store.
Cut the corporate contract deals that market fried food on the ultra-mega-jumbo-a-tron.
Take the bowls back to their real names "Peach Bowl" not "Chick-Fil-A" bowl. The stadium shouldn't be "Papa John's Stadium"

Compete only with local schools within a few hours drive. Gainsville FL, isn't near Columbia, Missouri and they're in the same division.

It's either pure or it ain't. If the NFL doesn't like that setup. Have them setup a farm league. MLB does, plenty of kids skip the facade of going to college to head to the MLB farm league teams.

NBA has one and done. They should get rid of that, folks like Kobe and Lebron didn't have much need to enrich a university for free to get their career going. These days if you're a sophomore playing basketball in the NCAA, you're not that good.

 

[eetrojan]

That's what we're discussing changing. The kid on a CS scholarship can work part time doing software development, it's even encouraged and the university tries to find them work.

Keeping folks from buying Jameis Winston Nike's that the Uni doesn't get a cut of is what they're protecting.

I hear you on the similarities, but I think there's a valid distinction.

I think we should keep it the same as it is now. First, somebody like Jameis Winston doesn't become valuable just because he's JM or has his athletic skills, but rather because he's exhibiting those skills while playing for some university (FSU). I believe if you allowed the JM's of the world to cash in on their rising value during college, there would be graft far beyond what we have now. Nike U (Oregon) would do well in such a system.

I would feel better about what I say, however, if they theoretically had the option to skip college and go directly to the NFL.

 

[docmirror]

It's either pure or it ain't..

Exactly. The revenue teams should be expanded to a semi-pro league where getting a degree is completely optional. The non-rev teams would go back to pure academic houses which happen to play football or golf, or la crosse, or whatever. Students, who are also involved with a sport.

 

[poadeleted21]

I hear you on the similarities, but I think there's a valid distinction.

I think we should keep it the same as it is now. First, somebody like Jameis Winston doesn't become valuable just because he's JM or has his athletic skills, but rather because he's exhibiting those skills while playing for some university (FSU). I believe if you allowed the JM's of the world to cash in on their rising value during college, there would be graft far beyond what we have now. Nike U (Oregon) would do well in such a system.

I would feel better about what I say, however, if they theoretically had the option to skip college and go directly to the NFL.

I just don't think it's any of my business what FSU and Winston agree on for him to play football there. The "purity" aspect is long long gone with numbers as big as we're discussing.

NFL needs to drop that 3 year thing and farm league kids if they're not ready for the NFL. Winston for instance is taking a huge risk stepping on the field next year, a risk he shouldn't have to take, but he does. And it's all risk and no reward. He can only hurt his draft stock and his body. But hey, they're feeding him.

 

[nddons]

Would your daughter have been blackballed from the vet community and not allowed to reasonably continue her career if the vet decided to pay her? would she have been thrown out of college if an appreciative customer had tipped her or loaned her a car for a few days? or offered to give her a free tattoo?

In other words there's absolutely nothing stopping your daughter from getting paid except market value.

Don't confuse my rejection of college players getting paid with support for the idiotic and corrupt NCAA and their stupid rules. I think I've sufficiently expressed my disdain for that organization.

 

[nddons]

That's not what she was doing though. She was helping. Nothing stopping the vet from paying her for her time other than 10 other kids lined up ready to work for free.

If the market value for star QB is zero. Then that's what it should pay. That's not the market value though.

You don't think there are 10 other kids that would be willing to be a DI QB as a non-scholarship walk-on?

 

[poadeleted21]

You don't think there are 10 other kids that would be willing to be a DI QB as a non-scholarship walk-on?

Not with Johnny Manziel or Jameis Winston's skill set. no.

 

[Jhernandez04]

You don't think there are 10 other kids that would be willing to be a DI QB as a non-scholarship walk-on?

Your talking about the type of player like a "Rudy" who absolutely loves the school and game.

Those players are out there. Some of them very good, but the're not in great supply like your suggesting. And even if the number of QB's who would play as non scholarship athletes were as numerous as suggested..... think they'd be good enough? I dont. But then again, you probably will.


Walk ons who are stars are rare, i've seen a few but ive seen way more kids who walkon who just want to be part of the program.

 

[poadeleted21]

Don't confuse my rejection of college players getting paid with support for the idiotic and corrupt NCAA and their stupid rules. I think I've sufficiently expressed my disdain for that organization.

You can spread that disdain to the universities too. They hide behind the NCAA to protect their cash cow and will bury a kid for doing something as stupid as trading a shirt for a tattoo. Yet when they get busted themselves, the NCAA are the dirty ones. Why Penn State has a football team, I'll never know. SMU got their ass handed to them for handing out a few hundreds here and there.

 

[nddons]

And "time's they are a chaaaangin'" Rules change, this is a proposed rule change. I agree with it.

I have no idea why anyone would care if a QB at Michigan is making $500K a year? The market set's the value, not you and me.

NCAA Football is NFL welfare right now.

Do you think the nearly 40 year streak that Michigan has put more than 100,000 fans in The Big House for every game is because of some marque QB or RB? Winning season or losing season, year in and year out. Or could it be because of the legacy and history of Michigan Football, their rivalry with Ohio State, and the approximately one gazillion alumni from the University of Michigan who like Michigan Football, regardless of who's on the field?

These guys are fortunate to spend four years at one of the great universities in the country, for free, and also get to play football for one of the best football programs in the country. And there are thousands of others who would take their spots if they don't want to do it.

 

[poadeleted21]

Do you think the nearly 40 year streak that Michigan has put more than 100,000 fans in The Big House for every game is because of some marque QB or RB? Winning season or losing season, year in and year out. Or could it be because of the legacy and history of Michigan Football, their rivalry with Ohio State, and the approximately one gazillion alumni from the University of Michigan who like Michigan Football, regardless of who's on the field?

These guys are fortunate to spend four years at one of the great universities in the country, for free, and also get to play football for one of the best football programs in the country. And there are thousands of others who would take their spots if they don't want to do it.

It's not really up to you to determine if they're fortunate or not. I'll leave the decision of who's fortunate and who's not to the individual players.

If you want to be fair. Give Michigan the University of Idaho's budget and see how many of those show up to support that "legacy and history".

You're damn right they're showing up to see at least a contender on the field. Ask SMU what happens when the talent dries up.

How fortunate do you think Jameis Winston is that he's forced to go back for zero pay and risk everything with virtually nothing to gain. But hey, Buffalo Wild Wings has to sell Chicken wings somehow and college football fans are the perfect demographic for selling Bud Light, might as well make the kids do the heavy lifting.

 

[kyleb]

You can spread that disdain to the universities too. They hide behind the NCAA to protect their cash cow and will bury a kid for doing something as stupid as trading a shirt for a tattoo. Yet when they get busted themselves, the NCAA are the dirty ones. Why Penn State has a football team, I'll never know. SMU got their ass handed to them for handing out a few hundreds here and there.

The "Universities" generally don't make money. The Athletic departments (which are often completely separate corporations) make the money. They also accept "Student Activity Fees" from the school itself. Fundamentally, what we have is the athletic departments of 20 very large schools with large fanbase making a lot of money, then turning it right around and spending it on facility upgrades and huge salaries.

The system is broken and flawed. The tail is wagging the dog in so many ways. CFB, in particular, has become bigger than the schools it is supposed to promote.

Personally, I'd gut it and start over, but there is so much money involved, that'll never happen.

 

[jtheune]

It's not really up to you to determine if they're fortunate or not. I'll leave the decision of who's fortunate and who's not to the individual players.

If you want to be fair. Give Michigan the University of Idaho's budget and see how many of those show up to support that "legacy and history".

You're damn right they're showing up to see at least a contender on the field. Ask SMU what happens when the talent dries up.

How fortunate do you think Jameis Winston is that he's forced to go back for zero pay and risk everything with virtually nothing to gain. But hey, Buffalo Wild Wings has to sell Chicken wings somehow and college football fans are the perfect demographic for selling Bud Light, might as well make the kids do the heavy lifting.

If he has nothing to gain why not quit and go hit the gym for a year?

 

[poadeleted21]

If he has nothing to gain why not quit and go hit the gym for a year?

Best case scenario, he stays as popular as he is now, he's going to have to play to do that. The gym, he loses draft stock. Best he can hope for is to stay where he is now. He should be heading to an NFL camp in a few months. His talent is worth 7 figures today. FSU gets him for thee hot and a cot and that's the best he can do. Unpaid bud light salesman is all he's going to be next year. Seems like it should be illegal to me.

 

[nddons]

I would feel better about what I say, however, if they theoretically had the option to skip college and go directly to the NFL.

I could live with that. Hockey has both a farm system (AHL) and a draft. Some kids go to school, some go the Junior A route while in high school, and then can go into the farm system.

 

[nddons]

It's not really up to you to determine if they're fortunate or not. I'll leave the decision of who's fortunate and who's not to the individual players.

If you want to be fair. Give Michigan the University of Idaho's budget and see how many of those show up to support that "legacy and history".

You're damn right they're showing up to see at least a contender on the field. Ask SMU what happens when the talent dries up.

How fortunate do you think Jameis Winston is that he's forced to go back for zero pay and risk everything with virtually nothing to gain. But hey, Buffalo Wild Wings has to sell Chicken wings somehow and college football fans are the perfect demographic for selling Bud Light, might as well make the kids do the heavy lifting.

Are you intentionally missing my point, or just deflecting?

This is about the third time you've said or implied that I have no right to say something about this topic. Control issues, Bart? I have every right to say that a college athlete is fortunate to be a part of a collegiate team. You can leave it up to the athlete but here's a news flash: if they don't feel fortunate, they can leave, and many more would be happy to take their place. Do I need to post a link to the 13th Amendment again?

Football is a TEAM sport. I was not speaking of having a contender or not. I was asking whether Michigan would continually fill the Big House because of a particular QB or RB. I believe the answer is no, because a single marque player doesn't single handedly make a team a contender. College football is bigger than any single player.

 

[poadeleted21]

Are you intentionally missing my point, or just deflecting?

This is about the third time you've said or implied that I have no right to say something about this topic. Control issues, Bart? I have every right to say that a college athlete is fortunate to be a part of a collegiate team. You can leave it up to the athlete but here's a news flash: if they don't feel fortunate, they can leave, and many more would be happy to take their place. Do I need to post a link to the 13th Amendment again?

Football is a TEAM sport. I was not speaking of having a contender or not. I was asking whether Michigan would continually fill the Big House because of a particular QB or RB. I believe the answer is no, because a single marque player doesn't single handedly make a team a contender. College football is bigger than any single player.

You have every right to say it, but you're pushing your views on people who don't agree with you. I.e. The players.

Let's quit paying paying coaches then. There'd be hundreds of coaches lined up to work for free at the university of michigan and all that money will just keep flowing in because well, legacy and history and all that.

Coaches are fortunate to coach there, they deserve no pay.

This is fun, getting to decide who gets paid and who doesn't.

 

[jtheune]

Best case scenario, he stays as popular as he is now, he's going to have to play to do that. The gym, he loses draft stock. Best he can hope for is to stay where he is now. He should be heading to an NFL camp in a few months. His talent is worth 7 figures today. FSU gets him for thee hot and a cot and that's the best he can do. Unpaid bud light salesman is all he's going to be next year. Seems like it should be illegal to me.

So now you are saying that he does gain something from playing another year.

 

[poadeleted21]

So now you are saying that he does gain something from playing another year.

He gains nothing.

 

[EdFred]

OK, so now we've reached the real conclusion. All college classes are worthless.