Wisconsin governor drops MOAB on his state economy

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    This is going nationwide. Even here in Kansas we’re under a lockdown starting tomorrow.
     
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    Trying to keep from taking this political, but this has begun to make me sick to my stomach. Our society will never fully recover from this. We have accepted the unacceptable to "preserve our safety"
     
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    Yeah, I don't see much reason to create a separate thread for each state - it's going to happen everywhere.
     
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    I just watched Dr. Amy Acton, Ohio's Health Director, say the virus is twice as contagious and twenty times as deadly as the flu. So what's your plan?
     
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    Fear is the poison of our lives.
    Maryland closes up shop 5pm today.
     
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    She will have a job when this is all over. The rest of us won't. There will be suicide, child abuse, more drug abuse, crime, and death that accompany a higher unemployment rate.
    We are literally killing the chemo patient with too much radiation.

    Maintain social distancing, ramp up production of needed medical equipment, complete quarantine of nursing homes, temperature checks on more public spaces, let the rest of us work.
     
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    I posted some links on the other MOAB thread you started. There's two stages in the anit-virus strategy, working is in the second.
     
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    Sounds like if you're "essential", literally, you get to work. What do you do for a living that isn't considered essential?

    Both of my jobs are considered essential, they've just restricted some things to reduce contact between people.

    If someone isn't considered essential, maybe they should reconsider their contribution to society, cause if it ain't essential it can't last forever. Rather than blasting measures put in place to stop the spread of a devastating virus. Sure, it seems overkill now, but wait till there aren't any empty ICU beds because people couldn't stay home and chill for a bit, kids couldn't miss their spring break, people just had to take that vacation they had planned... The selfishness is what kept this thing going.
     
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    I dunno man, hookers have been around for a loooong time.
     
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    In the essential category, obviously.
     
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    I'm sick of hearing "better safe than sorry". With no economy, there's no money to pay to treat people. There needs to be a balance somewhere.

    DC Mayor has closed down the Tidal Basin so no one (except the National Guard troops and police guarding it) can see the Cherry Blossoms. She was aiming at pedestrians, but closed a boatload of streets (and one of the Potomac River Bridges), thereby screwing up traffic that's lighter than normal. In the older days, you could drive around the Tidal Basin and enjoy the blossoms from your car, which is "safer" than walking/biking - but who cares, let's declare martial law and call out the national guard so folks can't even DRIVE through there.
     
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    Ok, I'll bite. What does MOAB stand for? Google just brings up a bunch of pages about a city in Utah.
     
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    Ah ok, thanks. That one I would never have guessed! :D
     
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    You don't think they tried to be nice about this? Like I said, they gave people the chance to voluntarily stay home and slow this thing, people blew it.

    To put it in perspective, say you have an apartment complex with 40 units, 5 buildings and everyone gets it. An entire building is going to have severe symptoms and likely require hospitalization and one unit is going die. That's with enough hospital beds available for all the ones that get sick.
     
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    I was wondering the same thing. It still doesn't really make sense to me (the acronym).
     
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    There's actually both a nickname and an official designation for MOAB:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GBU-43/B_MOAB
     
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    I think the OP was trying to make a metaphor, saying that shelter order is effectively like dropping a really big bomb on their economy.
     
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    Yeah, that was my interpretation too...
     
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    How many more of these threads do we need ?
     
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    I've counted 2 so far. So I think we need 48 more.
     
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    I’ve been saying that this cure is worse than the disease. For the retired crowd, it is no problem to sit around yelling at everyone else to ‘STAY AT HOME, YOU’RE GONNA KILL SOMEONE!’

    I am waiting to start seeing some pushback.
     
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    Wow, really...
     
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    Me three...
     
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    They are only doing what other locations have done.
     
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    state by state?
     
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    I work 2 essential jobs. I'm stuck at home, struggling to work as much as I can at jobs that have zero contact with people, because schools closed. The schools aren't reopening until at least August... Because people didn't listen to early warnings to slow this down when the chance was there.

    Y'all can whine about it all you want. You're likely part of the problem that let it get this far. I read your posts in the hysteria thread, you're definitely part of the problem.
     
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    Not sure where you are going with this?
     
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    Has it occurred to any of you that if we allow the virus to spread without any measures the economic recovery will take far longer??? How do we know when to reopen business when people won’t know if they can enter a space without getting the virus? When people feel safer they will come back and the only time people will feel safer( not totally safe because that won’t happen until a vaccine) is when they believe the number of cases is not increasing. Companies can make it through a few weeks shut down- they can’t make it with months and months with no or limited business. These shut downs are temporary and probably short lived. The economy is not “shutting down” its simply pausing to stop the spread.

    Before you all shout me down saying I don’t have sympathy for the small business guy, my dad owns one and I benefitted from his small business growing up. I get how hard it is to be a small business person— that’s why I support these measures because I really believe they will help stop the spread and small business can recover quicker!
     
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    What warnings would those be? Seems to me we caught this thing in the early stages, and are doing what’s prudent to keep it from spreading without trampling to much on people’s freedoms and liberties.
     
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    Not as early as Singapore. Apparently they learned a few things from the 2003 SARS outbreak.
     
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    This is where were heading... because people can't be bothered to do the right thing and stay home. They have to be ordered.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...coronavirus-toll-keeps-climbing-idUSKBN21A397

     
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    For living in a free society with no oppression I’d say we’re doing pretty good in getting a handle on all this BS.
     
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    No, I can't work from home, that's the trouble. Apologize for the confusion.
     
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    We could do this smarter but we are choosing not to and just killing the economy in the process. The reality is this thing is in the wild there is no stopping it now. We are only trying to slow it down which makes sense because otherwise we could overwhelm the healthcare system. But even if we all hole up for three months this is eventually going to come back around we are not going to eliminate it completely.

    What should be done is in places with higher counts NYC for example people should be quarantining. In places where cases do no reach a certain threshold we should leave them open until they do of course maintaining good social distancing and hygiene practices.

    Everyone needs to assess their own personal risk profile and act accordingly. My brother is high risk he needs to be locked down. I am somewhere in the middle and my kids are super low risk. Each of us need to do something different and protect ourselves accordingly.

    Comparing us to Italy is not exactly an apples to apples comparison.
     
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