Where to go on a flying vacation & mandatory mask ?s

I don’t care if he’s really good at “self care” and has no signs of intestinal disease: if I see the guy who’s making my pizza go to the men’s room, he better have washed his hands afterwards. For me, not him. It’s “Public Health” and “public”, by definition, means more than me. Masks are nothing more than Public Health tools - and, until the vaccines came along, were basically the only tool we had for prevention.

WE should be taking responsibility for US, would be my reply. Trying to pick the pepper out of the fly s#!t re when to wear one and when not to for every little scenario just feels like spoiling for a fight. I had the disease (mild) and got vaccinated. I still wear a mask when it “makes sense” - such as at this very moment, sitting in the hospital lobby waiting for our daughter to come back from her c-section. Is there a risk I’ll get or spread Covid? Essentially zero but wearing one is their policy and based on science: because THEY don’t know my history, so they can’t put other patients at risk by trusting me to be following the science.

Apples and wildebeest. I was addressing the high risk person and throwing his issue on everyone else. If you have a fatal allergy to seafood, do you expect everyone to capitulate when you decide to go to a seafood restaurant because you like their bread? I should hope not, I would hope you take precautions for yourself and not expect every restaurant to burn the kitchen to the ground and start from scratch because you show up.

But that what seems to what is being advocated.
 
But that what seems to what is being advocated.

Hogwash and I think you know it.

Do you recall ARMED people in the galleries of state capitals watching debates on seatbelt wearing, motorcycle helmets, smoke-free zones, liquor laws, fluoridating water, sanitation standards, school vaccine requirements, or a litany of other “personal freedom” laws? I don’t. Yet this issue was INTENTIONALLY politicized by ONE side specifically to divide. It was. The “other side’s” pushback, which has now apparently been labeled as “virtue signaling”, would have never materialized were it not for the politicization by one side. Period. There were NO calls for consistent mask wearing until the data started showing public health benefits. Dr. Fauci - correctly - discouraged mask wearing at the start as a waste of masks (his - and my - frame of reference was the use of disposable paper masks to stop my spread to you in the OR and N95s to stop your spread to me on the hospital ward). When he changed his guidance based on new data, that was weaponized as him lying, not knowing what he’s talking about, and/or trying to “control us”.

People have CHOSEN to get spun up and angered over a simple, short-term measure to stop a public health urgency. They’ve been egged on for selfish reasons, IMHO.

Interesting quote from over 40 years ago:

“There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that ‘my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.’”
Isaac Asimov "A Cult of Ignorance", Newsweek, Jan. 21, 1980

That has gotten weaponized to a surreal level over the past few years, IMHO.

IBTL. But let’s face it: this actually started off as an anti-mask thread in (poor) disguise.
 
I don't recall anyone storming it over masks either, and no clue what that has to do with people WHO ARE AT RISK putting it on those of us that aren't - which is the only part I am addressing. Nothing more.

You've gone so far off the rails and into the weeds you're going to need a degree in orienteering to get back.
 
I don't recall anyone storming it over masks either, and no clue what that has to do with people WHO ARE AT RISK putting it on those of us that aren't - which is the only part I am addressing. Nothing more.

To clarify: I didn’t say “storming”. They were “peaceful” - yet intimidating, as they intended to be. And these weren’t the guys looking to kidnap the governor.

And correction: it was technically about the lockdown, not “just” mask mandates.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52496514
 
I thought you meant Jan 6, and while I disgree with their actions she was way way over the line. The restrictions she had were absolutely inane. I wasnt allowed to go fishing...by myself....on a boat....3000 feet from any other individual. Go motorcycle....by myself....again....nope. Get seeds for my garden to plant...by myself....nope. Work on my house...alone...nope....not allowed to buy any supplies. But I can go buy tobacco and liquor.

For the good of the public? Yeah right, GTFO.
 
I just wanted some ideas on where to go on a vacation, that would be more pleasant for my wife and her anxieties. I still would welcome them. It is somewhat disappointing that this thread hasn't given me very many suggestions yet. I understand that the mask issue has us divided, and I agree that the mask issue may just be a symptom of the lockdown vs non-lockdown. Yes, there are two sides to this. It seems that one side wants to rely on the Government to keep us safe, and the other side thinks that "we the people" should be responsible. We are so divisive now, that I don't see a "United States" ever again. The cancel culture has gotten so far out of control, that it seems that it can't end until someone has been completely cancelled. I am reminded that one of my sons had been following the saga of a church in California that chose to hold services, and the city and state did everything it could to "destroy" that church and keep to from meeting. He thinks that it was because there seemed to be few consequences from the virus in spite of their meeting each week, and that if people realized that fact, it would be harder to keep everyone shut down and controlled. I guess that makes sense. Tell everyone to do as I say or we all will die, and when it doesn't make that much of a difference, they lose control.

I don't know anymore. I am tired of getting caught up in the weeds. My heart is nearing the breaking point. While I am not decrepit old, nonetheless, I am not as young and agile as I used to be. My time is passing, and it seems like the years are getting away so fast. I can still do most everything I ever could, (although not as fast) and my aviation skills are as good or better than ever because of my experience, but there will come a time when my flying days are over, and probably sooner, rather than later. I want to quit flying on my terms, not someone else's (or worse). I am sorry that this thread has been just like so many things nowadays - Divisive. I will make one more appeal. We are still looking for stopping places on the way out from Kansas to the East coast. We don't want to get into a situation that will cause my wife a lot of anxiety. It sounds like things are going to be better than I was concerned about, at least for the most part. I didn't know that, and will avoid some places if necessary. Please. Can I get a little help from those of you that are familiar with places between Kansas and KFFA? Please forgive me for my stirring up a hornets nest. It was not what I was looking for.
 
Been a while since I been but I recall that one could get to Mammoth Cave in Kentucky withou too much trouble. As I recall, 1M9 and M34 are in state parks in Kentucky. Again, it's been a long time. You might check them out.
 
Lighten up, man, install long range tanks, and fly straight through, avoid contact with all of us maskers along the way. Edfred uses a coffee can of kitty litter, simple to use to avoid toilet stops on the way.

I am not only in the at risk population, but personally know 2 people who are 'long haul recovering' from Covid. One is a close relative, and was a non masker.

A girl my son's age died of Covid, not a personal friend, just someone that was at the graduation dance.

The government has a long history of requiring me to get vaccinated for many diseases.
First set, I could not attend school without several.
Then, more to be allowed to continue in school.
Your government drafted me and on the second day, gave me 5 shots without telling me what the were for, or asking which I wanted.
Later, they gave me a tetanus shot when I had a small training accident, 6 stitches.
3 more shots before they sent me overseas.
Another tetanus shot when another accident resulted in 6 more stitches.
I even let my sons drink fluoridated water, and they have much better teeth that I.

As noted above, I am at risk due to old age, and have gotten the vaccine, but since it is not 100% effective, I do still wear a mask around strangers, as I have no idea whether they have been around sick people. I have both doctors and nurses in my circle of friends, and follow their advice, AND their actions.

Admittedly, I am acting on MY opinion of the safe things to do.

You and your wife may say that I am overdoing it, but that is YOUR opinion. Stay away from me if you are not going to wear a mask.

A neighbor ignored the mask 'game', came down with a bad case, and was too weak to even cut his grass for nearly a month. No big deal, they went on welfare until he could go back to work.

I have a number of friends who live in a retirement community, and before the mask mandate, the employees brought Covid in, and over a dozen residents died. Now,98% of the residents have been vaccinated, and the un vaccinated employees do not have direct contact with residents, plus, everybody wears a mask outside their unit. Covid deaths' are now zero, and no resident has even had Covid for months.

Your wife may have unfounded fear of being around masked people, but I have well founded fear of being around UNMASKED people. Relatively trivial side issue, my granddaughters have just gone through a full year without any nose or throat infection, masks, maybe? They adjusted to the mask game so completely that they often forget to take theirs off until supper time. Kids do not sweat the small stuff.

Go back and read what Rushie said in post #13, she hit the real issue, but you seem to have missed it.
 
Lighten up, man, install long range tanks, and fly straight through, avoid contact with all of us maskers along the way. Edfred uses a coffee can of kitty litter, simple to use to avoid toilet stops on the way.

I am not only in the at risk population, but personally know 2 people who are 'long haul recovering' from Covid. One is a close relative, and was a non masker.

A girl my son's age died of Covid, not a personal friend, just someone that was at the graduation dance.

The government has a long history of requiring me to get vaccinated for many diseases.
First set, I could not attend school without several.
Then, more to be allowed to continue in school.
Your government drafted me and on the second day, gave me 5 shots without telling me what the were for, or asking which I wanted.
Later, they gave me a tetanus shot when I had a small training accident, 6 stitches.
3 more shots before they sent me overseas.
Another tetanus shot when another accident resulted in 6 more stitches.
I even let my sons drink fluoridated water, and they have much better teeth that I.

As noted above, I am at risk due to old age, and have gotten the vaccine, but since it is not 100% effective, I do still wear a mask around strangers, as I have no idea whether they have been around sick people. I have both doctors and nurses in my circle of friends, and follow their advice, AND their actions.

Admittedly, I am acting on MY opinion of the safe things to do.

You and your wife may say that I am overdoing it, but that is YOUR opinion. Stay away from me if you are not going to wear a mask.

A neighbor ignored the mask 'game', came down with a bad case, and was too weak to even cut his grass for nearly a month. No big deal, they went on welfare until he could go back to work.

I have a number of friends who live in a retirement community, and before the mask mandate, the employees brought Covid in, and over a dozen residents died. Now,98% of the residents have been vaccinated, and the un vaccinated employees do not have direct contact with residents, plus, everybody wears a mask outside their unit. Covid deaths' are now zero, and no resident has even had Covid for months.

Your wife may have unfounded fear of being around masked people, but I have well founded fear of being around UNMASKED people. Relatively trivial side issue, my granddaughters have just gone through a full year without any nose or throat infection, masks, maybe? They adjusted to the mask game so completely that they often forget to take theirs off until supper time. Kids do not sweat the small stuff.

Go back and read what Rushie said in post #13, she hit the real issue, but you seem to have missed it.

I could tell very similar stories to yours, except that I have chosen to not live my life in fear so much. I have lived a good life, and if it is time for me to go, I am okay with it. My assessment of Covid 19 is that it is real, and can be serious and people are dying from it. I also choose to put it in perspective. The vast majority, and I do mean vast, will recover just fine, if they do get it. I would guess that just about everybody has been exposed to it by now anyway. Too often we spend so much time trying to avoid death that we forget to live. When this pandemic is over, I am fairly confident, that I will have lost far more family members in my lifetime to car accidents than to Covid. I don't plan on changing my driving habits though. As far as Covid is concerned, I don't have too much of a problem going with the flow. It isn't going to make me lose my mind. I do love my wife, however, and she is wired differently than I am. If I can make things better for her I will, if not, she will just have to decide to suck it up or we won't go. Oh, and one more thing, I did not miss Rushie's post #13, or any others, just so you know. Furthermore, I already have long range tanks installed, but I have learned over the course of my life that most of the time, the experiences in the journey, many times are more memorable than the destination. Finally, your advice for me to lighten up isn't necessarily bad. I could stand to lose a couple pounds. :)
 
...He thinks that it was because there seemed to be few consequences from the virus in spite of their meeting each week, and that if people realized that fact, it would be harder to keep everyone shut down and controlled. I guess that makes sense....
That doesn't make ANY sense to me.

We, as Americans and as human beings, really need to try avoid going overboard on attributing sinister motives to each other just because of differences of opinion on what government policy needs to be.
 
I have been living my life quite well in spite of the restrictions.

Drove from MD to Fla, and ate in restaurants along the way and there. Visited a sick relative in the hospital, mandatory masks and scrub before entering the room. Surrounded by people in masks the whole trip, and that made me comfortable.

Drove to Long Island, mask on at appropriate time, long visit with family, good scrub in the shower before close contact. No hugs on arrival, plenty of hugs 5 days later, and before leaving.

Sailing with a friend on the Chesapeake Bay, we both had our shots, and had limited contact with other people prior to going.

Many visits with local family, with agreed pre visit limits to "public contact", which is achievable since all but one of my adult grandchildren work from home.

Local bike riding and walking 3 to 4 times a week, depending on the weather.

Recently, bowling, masks mandatory, temperature checked at arrival, and sanitize your hands on arrival. No big deal, in exchange for the pleasure of the social contact (All the bowlers have had their shots, no big deal, only one anti shot member of the bowling club, he got shot to re join is friends).

We will miss an old friend's 88th birthday party under the maple trees in her yard, because we are going to LI again. The invited guests have all had their shots, except her youngest grand daughter. Masks will be worn, except when enjoying the cake and ice cream. Her family has lost at least one member to Covid, and her daughter lost a classmate, so they are aware of the danger on a personal basis, but are not stopping life, just adjusting.

We are not living in fear, just adapting and doing what is safest, with suitable precautions, such as masks and sanitizers. There is a mask in my hip pocket all the time, just in case I need one, and a 1oz plastic bottle of sanitizer in my front pocket for the same reason.

The early months, we did stay out of contact until we were comfortable with the protocols that should protect us, then eased back into a more normal life, without fear.

My wife feared tilting the wings of the plane when I turned, but got over it and flew 80,000 miles with me. Flying to the places we wanted to go was more important than keeping the wings level. Flying into clouds was the next fear, but she learned to handle that too.

We even went to a funeral where the only person without a mask was in the coffin.

Our life has not stopped, just adjusted.

As a young boy, I was extensively exposed to a man with active tuberculosis when we shared a house with him and his wife. We moved out when we became aware of his condition. I endured suitable protocols for 3 years after, to see that if I developed any symptoms, I would be treated immediately. Inconvenient? Yes. Destructive to my mental health or happiness? No. Just killed half a day to go to the clinic for tests at regular intervals.

This has been incredibly less distressing to my life than being drafted.
 
That doesn't make ANY sense to me.

If nobody died, and there was little difference in infection rates, in spite of 6000 people (mega church) meeting in close quarters with masks being optional every week, then why did everybody have to lock down so tight and give up all their freedoms. Since it apparently happened this way, in turn people would be less likely to believe a socialist type plan of "we will take control of your money and distribute it as the government sees fit, and if you just do what we say, you will be taken care of" mentality. When socialism migrates to communism, churches are taboo and can't be tolerated. Everyone must be controlled by the state and the state must be your god.

For me, following the public health recommendations and requirements has done an excellent job of allowing me to avoid living in fear.

I have absolutely no problem with this. If it works for you, great. I have followed many health recommendations as well.
 
I have been living my life quite well in spite of the restrictions.

Drove from MD to Fla, and ate in restaurants along the way and there. Visited a sick relative in the hospital, mandatory masks and scrub before entering the room. Surrounded by people in masks the whole trip, and that made me comfortable.

Drove to Long Island, mask on at appropriate time, long visit with family, good scrub in the shower before close contact. No hugs on arrival, plenty of hugs 5 days later, and before leaving.

Sailing with a friend on the Chesapeake Bay, we both had our shots, and had limited contact with other people prior to going.

Many visits with local family, with agreed pre visit limits to "public contact", which is achievable since all but one of my adult grandchildren work from home.

Local bike riding and walking 3 to 4 times a week, depending on the weather.

Recently, bowling, masks mandatory, temperature checked at arrival, and sanitize your hands on arrival. No big deal, in exchange for the pleasure of the social contact (All the bowlers have had their shots, no big deal, only one anti shot member of the bowling club, he got shot to re join is friends).

We will miss an old friend's 88th birthday party under the maple trees in her yard, because we are going to LI again. The invited guests have all had their shots, except her youngest grand daughter. Masks will be worn, except when enjoying the cake and ice cream. Her family has lost at least one member to Covid, and her daughter lost a classmate, so they are aware of the danger on a personal basis, but are not stopping life, just adjusting.

We are not living in fear, just adapting and doing what is safest, with suitable precautions, such as masks and sanitizers. There is a mask in my hip pocket all the time, just in case I need one, and a 1oz plastic bottle of sanitizer in my front pocket for the same reason.

The early months, we did stay out of contact until we were comfortable with the protocols that should protect us, then eased back into a more normal life, without fear.

My wife feared tilting the wings of the plane when I turned, but got over it and flew 80,000 miles with me. Flying to the places we wanted to go was more important than keeping the wings level. Flying into clouds was the next fear, but she learned to handle that too.

We even went to a funeral where the only person without a mask was in the coffin.

Our life has not stopped, just adjusted.

As a young boy, I was extensively exposed to a man with active tuberculosis when we shared a house with him and his wife. We moved out when we became aware of his condition. I endured suitable protocols for 3 years after, to see that if I developed any symptoms, I would be treated immediately. Inconvenient? Yes. Destructive to my mental health or happiness? No. Just killed half a day to go to the clinic for tests at regular intervals.

This has been incredibly less distressing to my life than being drafted.

Thank you for your service.
 
We used to live here:

https://ashechamber.com/tourism.php

We were based at KGEV which is a delightful little airport. The mountains are gorgeous and peaceful there, small town atmosphere (Jefferson and West Jefferson) and if the voting map is true they probably aren’t big on masks (I’ll text my old neighbors later). You’d have to work out a car rental. Hertz and Enterprise are in Boone but that’s a 30 minute drive, maybe they bring the car to the airport for you. Old Marvin Stump used to drive us into town despite being half blind and treating the centerline of the highway like he was taking off in a plane. He’s dead now. There may be cheaper local car rentals.

If you’ve never vacationed in Appalachia it’s not to be missed it should be on everyone’s bucket list. The bigger towns are fine too but less laid back and probably more maskers (like Asheville) but also more to do there. But Ashe county has plenty of small places to see, like this:

https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/north-carolina/church-of-the-frescoes-nc/

The day we went there no body else was around. Also Ashe County Cheese, you can shop and go over to the plant across the street and watch them make cheese (if covid hasn’t destroyed their business). Summers are cool and comfortable there but the tourist season however fall leaves is the biggest tourist time so it shouldn’t be too crowded especially compared to Boone or Asheville. It’s higher than Asheville too and more mountainous but not too challenging mountain flying.

https://www.ashecountycheese.com/

There was a vineyard and wine tastings but again, covid?

Also this restaurant is simply awesome:

https://gamekeeper-nc.com/

The atmosphere is amazing and the food unusual although if you’re squeamish about wild game you can get some “normal” meat. It’s toward Boone about a 25 minute drive from West Jefferson.

There is hiking and kayaking/canoeing if you’re up to that. Hiking up Mt. Jefferson is great, fantastic views.

https://www.ncparks.gov/mount-jefferson-state-natural-area/home
 

I don’t know why I didn’t think of that earlier. We used to vacation there and loved it so much we bought a house, rented it out for a while, then moved into it. Then a job change forced us to move to Texas.
 
I could tell very similar stories to yours, except that I have chosen to not live my life in fear so much.
That's a great strategy for fighting terrorism. Terrorists want us to be afraid — that's the whole point — so when New Yorkers refused to be cowed and started going back out to shops and restaurants a few days after 9/11, that's the moment the terrorists lost. Ditto for the courage with which Americans responded to the Pearl Harbor attack decades earlier.

Unfortunately, viruses don't care whether you're afraid or not. All they need is a host that will make new copies for them and pass some of those copies on to other hosts. If individual "courage" allows them to recruit new hosts faster, all the better for them. The same (admirable) national traits that make Americans stronger against terrorism weaken them against disease. :(
 
To harken back to the OPs question, his wife has been vaccinated. If he has also been vaccinated, there is a very low likelihood of becoming infected with COVID. And for those moments when they are in the company of vaccinated people, the risk is essentially zero.

I looked at the Johns Hopkins numbers this morning for my state, Georgia. In the last 30 days, there have been roughly 20 COVID deaths per day. Of those 600 deaths, 599 of them (and maybe all 600) were unvaccinated. If you want to reduce your risk to an acceptable level, get the shot. COVID cannot reproduce outside of a host.
 
If nobody died, and there was little difference in infection rates, in spite of 6000 people (mega church) meeting in close quarters with masks being optional every week, then why did everybody have to lock down so tight and give up all their freedoms.
There are gatherings in the U.S. that HAVE resulted in significant numbers of infections and in some cases death, and some of those have been at churches.

As for whether churches should be given special treatment in spite of the pandemic, believe it or not there is such a thing as honest differences of opinion.
 
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I just flew from DFW to Illinois in my Cherokee this weekend for Father's Day. Stopped for gas and food along my route. Went to a pancake breakfast flyin, a parade, to the store, car dealership and a few other places.

I didn't see one person wearing a mask. Even in liberal Chicago.

The pandemic is over.
 
I agree with Rushie that western North Carolina, Western Virginia, and West Virginia would be good places to visit. As far as your wife and masking goes, aren't most places masks optional now? So even if others are wearing masks, she wouldn't need to wear one. I get the societal pressure, but most times I ignore it. May be harder for others to do that.
 
The pandemic is over.

The response may be over, but the pandemic is not. Hopefully, it is on the way to being reduced to statistical noise.

The problem is that it still rages in other countries. More cases mean more mutations. More mutations mean an increased risk of new variants that are unaffected by our current vaccines. In a worst case, it could start all over again.
 
To harken back to the OPs question, his wife has been vaccinated. If he has also been vaccinated, there is a very low likelihood of becoming infected with COVID. And for those moments when they are in the company of vaccinated people, the risk is essentially zero.
So even if others are wearing masks, she wouldn't need to wear one.
From post #7, the problem appears not to be the fear of contracting the virus but rather that the sight of people wearing masks is traumatic.
https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/com...acation-mandatory-mask-s.132618/#post-3099829
 
From post #7, the problem appears not to be the fear of contracting the virus but rather that the sight of people wearing masks is traumatic.

Hmmm... I guess everyone has their "thing".
 
[QUOTE="Piper18O]I just wanted some ideas on where to go on a vacation, that would be more pleasant for my wife and her anxieties. I still would welcome them. It is somewhat disappointing that this thread hasn't given me very many suggestions yet. [/QUOTE]

No matter where you go and what the requirements are, there will be people wearing masks for years to come. Not sure what else to tell you.

Most everything is open. Get in your airplane and go.
 
I agree with Rushie that western North Carolina, Western Virginia, and West Virginia would be good places to visit. As far as your wife and masking goes, aren't most places masks optional now? So even if others are wearing masks, she wouldn't need to wear one. I get the societal pressure, but most times I ignore it. May be harder for others to do that.

Oh yeah western VA is gorgeous. Shenandoah Valley.

There’s Luray Caverns. They even have an airport:

http://www.lurayairport.com/
 
It seems that one side wants to rely on the Government to keep us safe, and the other side thinks that "we the people" should be responsible.
Sorry, but that’s the kind of divisive hogwash that’s free-flowing these days.

First, to make a distinction between “the government” and “We the People” is to either not know the preamble to the Constitution and Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address or to be somehow separate from the American people.

Second, more accurately, one “side” wants to rely on SCIENCE and REASON and another wants live with “liberty” as seen by a spoiled teenager: “I can do what I want when I want but everyone else has to follow RULES that I set”.

Third, if “we the people” were “responsible” there would be zero DUIs. I see little difference in the intent of government involvement in preventing the public harms of DUIs and Covid. People don’t reliably act responsibly.

The cancel culture has gotten so far out of control, that it seems that it can't end until someone has been completely cancelled.

It has indeed. All the sanctions by party-level leadership of people doing their constitutional jobs is scary.

then why did everybody have to lock down so tight and give up all their freedoms.

That type of hyperbole is what is at the heart of the other things you lament about. Wearing a mask in SELECT SITUATIONS is “giving up all their freedoms”?!? What about having to wear pants? Driving on the right side of the road? If one CHOOSES to buy into the hyperbole, anxiety is inevitable (and is the intention of those promoting the hyperbole). Incidentally, another word for “hyperbole” is “lie”.

Seriously - relax - go where you want to go.
 
That type of hyperbole is what is at the heart of the other things you lament about.

I guess you ignored what lockdowns were actually issued in certain places. It was not hyperbole. And you also conveniently ignore that BOTH sides were issuing mandates and then themselves ignoring them. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a failed rant.
 
I guess you ignored what lockdowns were actually issued in certain places. It was not hyperbole. And you also conveniently ignore that BOTH sides were issuing mandates and then themselves ignoring them. But hey, never let facts get in the way of a failed rant.
The hyperbolic statement was “…give up ALL their freedoms”. Free speech, gun ownership, and a list of others obviously were never even close to having been surrendered, even in the strictest lockdown, so I’m sticking with “hyperbole”. And it’s done for effect. And it’s dishonest.
 
The hyperbolic statement was “…give up ALL their freedoms”. Free speech, gun ownership, and a list of others obviously were never even close to having been surrendered, even in the strictest lockdown, so I’m sticking with “hyperbole”. And it’s done for effect. And it’s dishonest.

All? No. A lot? Yes. Threats of arrest and fines if you leave your house? Yeah, that's a pretty big infringement on rights. When I have to carry around paperwork to 'prove' I'm allowed to leave my house. Yeah, that's not hyperbole. Calling it hyperbole is dishonest. Maybe it wasn't that way where you are, but it was here.

Of course I also disagree with seat belt laws, speed limits on rural interstates, helmet laws, etc... so what you and I think are infringements are probably vastly different.
 
Of course I also disagree with seat belt laws, speed limits on rural interstates, helmet laws, etc... so what you and I think are infringements are probably vastly different.
Be careful about guessing what I do and don’t think. Haven’t actually thought a whole lot about those laws but I wear a seatbelt not because of the law but because there’s overwhelming science behind their benefit. Same with helmets, but I don’t ride a motorcycle (but I do wear a helmet in my gyro). It’s Darwinian and I don’t personally feel compelled to legislate common sense for those kinds of personal choices. That said, I DO see merit in seatbelt and helmet laws for kids who really aren’t able to make a choice.

You’re right: the lockdown you described is harsher than what I personally had to deal with in the ‘burbs in TX. That said, they occurred at a time of no treatment options, exponential rates of infection, limited means of prevention, and a lot of unknowns. And whereas a strict lockdown at a school or workplace because of an active shooter “takes away freedom”, I haven’t heard anyone complain about such lockdowns. The Covid ones hit in a time of intentional polarization and were weaponized - to great effect. Instead of “we may disagree on things but on this, we’re all in it together” it was - is - used as a very effective wedge.
 
The response may be over, but the pandemic is not. Hopefully, it is on the way to being reduced to statistical noise.

The problem is that it still rages in other countries. More cases mean more mutations. More mutations mean an increased risk of new variants that are unaffected by our current vaccines. In a worst case, it could start all over again.
Exactly. We're getting there, but it's a bit early to declare victory.

Everyone can put their own spin on this, but here are the daily death tools for the G7 countries, population-adjusted. Things are much better than they were earlier this year, but still worse than they were last August in most countries: https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...aks=false&country=CAN~DEU~ITA~GBR~USA~FRA~JPN

Here's the same chart with cumulative death tolls, showing who got hit the hardest over all: https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...aks=false&country=CAN~DEU~ITA~GBR~USA~FRA~JPN

Finally, here are the vaccination rates (for at least one dose, which is a good indicator of how much of the population has some resistance). If this doesn't make you nervous about Japan and the upcoming Olympics, you might want to look again. :( https://ourworldindata.org/explorer...aks=false&country=CAN~DEU~ITA~GBR~USA~FRA~JPN
 
which is a good indicator of how much of the population has some resistance
I think it would be a better indicator if it were limited to the adult population or within an age range for which there is significant risk exposure.
 
I think it would be a better indicator if it were limited to the adult population or within an age range for which there is significant risk exposure.
That was the received wisdom a year ago, but it's pretty-much shot now with the variants. Especially with gamma and delta, we're seeing significant spread among younger people, who had been mostly immune to the original version in spring/summer 2020. Yukon — which had been at zero cases for a long time — has its first major outbreak now, triggered (most likely) by high school graduation parties.

I'm not sure how common the variants are down in the U.S., but if they're not in your area yet, brace yourself. The U.K. had to partly reverse its reopening because of them. My own province, Ontario, is in a race to get the 12–17 year olds vaccinated before the delta variant triggers a fourth wave.

I'm not a scientist, but from my limited layperson's knowledge, it seems to make sense that once the older population is vaccinated and mostly immune, mutations that affect younger people would become more dominant. Viruses are geniuses at rapid evolution.

The good news is that the vaccines themselves seem to be holding up against the variants. They're less effective, but so far, it's still enough to keep R well below 1.0 if most of the population has had the jab.
 
That was the received wisdom a year ago, but it's pretty-much shot now with the variants. Especially with gamma and delta, we're seeing significant spread among younger people, who had been mostly immune to the original version in spring/summer 2020.
I was referring more about infants and other populations in controlled environments.
 
Yep it looks like your politics determines how you feel about masks but that’s a correlation. It’s rural vs urban that is the determining factor. We sparsely populated areas never got overwhelmed with cases like the dense cities
Not so much the case here. Some of worst outbreaks (as a percentage of population) happened in sparsely-populated areas like northern Saskatchewan. The numbers from cities always seem worse because they have more people to begin with, but when you look at infection rates rather than absolute numbers, I suspect you'll find many rural areas in the U.S. got hit hard as well.
 
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