What is Oshkosh?

You'll find me in the mess of green Cabela Arctic Guide tents in the woods behind the hangar cafe.
My girlfriend and I camp by my plane in an 8-person tent, which is almost big enough for two of us for a week! I've always envied the shade where the tents are behind the Hangar Cafe. If I wasn't with my plane, I'd be there.

Last year we took one of the Ryobi fans and it made all the difference when taking a nap in the middle of the day!
 
My girlfriend and I camp by my plane in an 8-person tent, which is almost big enough for two of us for a week! I've always envied the shade where the tents are behind the Hangar Cafe. If I wasn't with my plane, I'd be there.

Last year we took one of the Ryobi fans and it made all the difference when taking a nap in the middle of the day!
Yeah, I have a small fan I got at Cabelas I stick next to my cot. We also have a ceiling fan that we found at some camp store years ago.
I picked up one of these airplane AC things that's an igloo cooler with some DC fans you fill up with ice and it blows cold air on you but I never got around to using it and I stopped lugging it around.
 
Cam is an amazing guy. When we had the rotorcraft midair in our area and had to deal with traumatized spectators and volunteers, he was the first I called. He gave me quite good advice for helping people.

Snappy dresser, too (Cam on left, Me on right)

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Until you posted this photo, and I saw your name tag says Ron... I thought your POA name said FlyingIron!
 
The handle dates from when Ebay used to use your email address as your username. When they decided to change that, I used flyingron there and I tend to use it for usernames everywhere. Of course by the time I hit the RedBoard, there was already CapnRon. For years, Ron Wattanja and I referred to ourselves as "The Other Ron."
 
The handle dates from when Ebay used to use your email address as your username. When they decided to change that, I used flyingron there and I tend to use it for usernames everywhere. Of course by the time I hit the RedBoard, there was already CapnRon. For years, Ron Wattanja and I referred to ourselves as "The Other Ron."
I was Lowflynjack or FlynLow on Powered Parachute/Paraglider forums. I was too lazy to think up a different name!
 
I attended my first Oshkosh last year.
We were there Monday through Saturday. All the airshows, including both night shows.

It may sound gushy and immature but when I look back, the happiest days of my life are:
1. Graduating
2. Getting engaged
3. Getting married
4. the days my kids were born
5. The 6 days at Oshkosh

I wish I was coming this year.
And I'm going to miss those Major Goolsby Cheese Burgers and Final Approach beers on the way out from the show.
 
And I'm going to miss those Major Goolsby Cheese Burgers and Final Approach beers on the way out from the show.
And my Breakfast Brat-eat-o at Major Goolsby. For dinner we like the attitude of the Pete's Garage people who decided they'd stay serving food until nobody wanted any more last year.
 
And my Breakfast Brat-eat-o at Major Goolsby. For dinner we like the attitude of the Pete's Garage people who decided they'd stay serving food until nobody wanted any more last year.
Pete's Garage was open on Wednesday before the show and was the only place we found to eat... that and the fact that they have Spotted Cow and it became one of our favorites!
 
I have only been flying since 2015. My first Oshkosh was 2018, eye opener for me. Learned so much that first year.
We skipped 2019 and 2021. Went to Sun n Fun instead.
My wife and I have been there every year since. We take 10 days and go in our RV camper with genset and AC. Now it is our main vacation for the year. I'd much rather be there then say a National Park because there is so much more to do. Or do nothing for a day.
First few years we only took 2 bikes because we read the rules ahead of time. Well shoot everybody there and their brother has a motorized ride there. I guess they didn't read the rules? lol
Last year we took our antique 3 wheeler ATV, it was fun. I bet I rode that thing 30-40 miles in 10 days. Just like if we were 20 something years old again. It made it more fun so we could see more of the place
A week ago we bought a golf cart, I know a golf cart? When I was young it was 2 stroke Suzuki quad racers 250 and the 500 quadlizzla. I laughed at my late friend when he bought a polais side by side UTV after riding dirt bikes with us for years.
So we are looking forward to Oshkosh with a nice ride to get around for the first time.

My buddy is like EdFred. He is a 44 year professional aviator who is 100% into anything aviation but has no desire to go to Oshkosh.
He was there once 38 years ago when he was 19 years old. Camped for 3 nights with a rented 172 he told me. He said he had no desire to go back, not into it. He is too busy to go anyway. He's a standards check airmen for SW. I am so lucky to fly with him.
 
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Oshkosh is a money grab. when less than 1/3rd of the aircraft are E/AB then is no longer about EXPERIMENTAL/homebuilding.

E/ABs should get prime parking, arrival slots and whatever else because they/we took the effort to do something most don't.. build an airplane. Any jabronie can get a loan and buy a plane. But I know I am the minority
 
Oshkosh is a money grab. when less than 1/3rd of the aircraft are E/AB then is no longer about EXPERIMENTAL/homebuilding.
Except for all of the homebuilders, kit manufacturers, building forums, and everything else that's always there. :rolleyes:

Experimental aviation likely represents less than 10% of the industry, but I would say it's more like 30-40% of the show. And you need the rest of us throwing money for EAA to exist. :p
E/ABs should get prime parking
THEY DO. If you think otherwise, I'd encourage you to try out the South 40.

Vintage, Warbirds, and Homebuilts are all roughly the same in terms of "primeness" of parking IMO.
 
Except for all of the homebuilders, kit manufacturers, building forums, and everything else that's always there. :rolleyes:
AOPA? Garmin? Boeing? Airbus? USAF? etc etc etc

Yeah, all about the little guy. I'd be happy if the EAA spun it off and actually, you know, made an org dedicated to building airplanes... but there is no way EAA 'survives' without the teat of the cash cow that is Airventure.

I'm gonna assume most people here never experienced Kitplanes or the EAA in the E/AB golden era of the 60's-80s.

Look back at the past S.A. articles and you'll see just how dumbed down the EAA has become.

Good on EAA for making a popular thing, but it not about building aircraft anymore.. and if you think it is then you need to look back at what it was, not what it is.
 
I'm gonna assume most people here never experienced Kitplanes or the EAA in the E/AB golden era of the 60's-80s.'

Kitplanes? You mean the magazine that had the most sexist, rude, obnoxious, loudmouth agent in a booth at Oshkosh? It was his abuse of my wife that caused me to cancel my subscription to Plane and Pilot and cost them any interest that my wife (or I) would have in Kitplanes.
 
Oshkosh is a money grab. when less than 1/3rd of the aircraft are E/AB then is no longer about EXPERIMENTAL/homebuilding.
There is something to be said for those of us flying our certified stuff in getting inspired by the EAB planes there and attending the workshops and perhaps deciding to take on building an EAB but at 61 with way too many other hobbies and projects I thank you for putting up with us.
 
There is something to be said for those of us flying our certified stuff in getting inspired by the EAB planes there and attending the workshops and perhaps deciding to take on building an EAB but at 61 with way too many other hobbies and projects I thank you for putting up with us.
The thing is, they've never turned down an E/AB plane... they've never run out of room for them. When people complain that it's not about E/AB planes, they need to show up in their E/AB planes and increase the percentage. I personally have no desire (or skill) (or time) (or money) to build my own plane, but I love walking through and looking at all of the beautiful planes people have built.

As far as a money grab... people are paying to get in, I'd grab it too!

@pfarber I'm a photographer for EAA and I'm working with Plane & Pilot, and the editor I'm working with also works with Kitplanes. What do you want to see? Maybe we can help to make that change.
 
The thing is, they've never turned down an E/AB plane... they've never run out of room for them. When people complain that it's not about E/AB planes, they need to show up in their E/AB planes and increase the percentage. I personally have no desire (or skill) (or time) (or money) to build my own plane, but I love walking through and looking at all of the beautiful planes people have built.

As far as a money grab... people are paying to get in, I'd grab it too!

@pfarber I'm a photographer for EAA and I'm working with Plane & Pilot, and the editor I'm working with also works with Kitplanes. What do you want to see? Maybe we can help to make that change.
I am not your target demographic. I don't give a crap about the barn find Cessna 140 that a guy spent $100k on. I don't give a crap about some $60,000 Garmin setup in a $500,000 Lancair. I don't care about a $250,000 diesel engine. I couldn't care any less about some inner city yute getting a 10 minute flight or inspiring some kid to become a pilot (lol 80% washout rate for PPL students)

Where is the EAA on getting members a 25% discount on tools from somewhere? Some good composite layup articles? designing an engine mount? bending a wing leading edge skin? Performing a condition inspection (no, not on an RV-12). How about a series on figuring out performace envelopes? Or fabric covering?

If people what photos of planes than AOPA has that. I want a 12 part series on the nuts and bolts of desiging a cargo door in the side of a lattice type fuseladge. But that's me.
 
AOPA? Garmin? Boeing? Airbus? USAF? etc etc etc

Yeah, all about the little guy.
Nearly every person I know who has built their own airplane in recent memory is a member of AOPA and put a bunch of Garmin stuff in their panel. So yeah, of course they're there. And were I building a plane, I'd want them there too.

I'm gonna assume most people here never experienced Kitplanes or the EAA in the E/AB golden era of the 60's-80s.
I first went to OSH in 1987 with my dad. He bought me a membership - You had to have one in those days to get on the flight line and actually see airplanes.

You know what I remember from the magazine in those days? Everyone incessantly bitching about needing to install a Mode C transponder to get near big cities, and talking about the upcoming Oshkosh '88.

And I'm sure there were cool airplanes too, but the overall theme was those two things, repeatedly, so that's what I remember.

Look back at the past S.A. articles and you'll see just how dumbed down the EAA has become.
I find interesting stuff in SA every month. Maybe you don't because you know it all already.

Good on EAA for making a popular thing, but it not about building aircraft anymore.. and if you think it is then you need to look back at what it was, not what it is.
Oshkosh was much smaller back in the day. Still big - I do remember airplanes at least out to the west end of 9/27 and wrapped around. And seeing airplanes with tents under the wings is what made me want to do that someday.

But Oshkosh getting bigger is not a bad thing. EAA does good things for aviation, and if they didn't, aviation would be smaller and by definition so would experimental aviation. If you want to be a purist so badly that you'd rather do it by yourself, then you'll be the last of an extinct breed.

I don't give a crap about some $60,000 Garmin setup in a $500,000 Lancair.
So it's not even that you want it to be more about experimental aviation, it's that you want it to be about YOUR OWN PARTICULAR NICHE of experimental aviation, which sounds like it's the plans-built, do-everything-on-the-cheap variety. Guess what? That's not everyone's cup of tea. Some experimental folks like the $500K Lancair with the expensive panel. I'm somewhere in between - I like gadgets and affordability and going places.

I don't care about a $250,000 diesel engine. I couldn't care any less about some inner city yute getting a 10 minute flight or inspiring some kid to become a pilot (lol 80% washout rate for PPL students)
So again, EAA should only be things you care about? EAA should not try to lead expansion of their own core market, and just let it wither and die?

Where is the EAA on getting members a 25% discount on tools from somewhere?
Nowhere, because there's probably not anyone with a margin big enough to get that kind of discount any more. Welcome to the global economy. Isn't competition good? EVERYONE gets the "25% discount" now because margins are smaller due to competition.

Some good composite layup articles? designing an engine mount? bending a wing leading edge skin? Performing a condition inspection (no, not on an RV-12). How about a series on figuring out performace envelopes? Or fabric covering?
They have articles on various subject like those all the time. And if you wait long enough, they'll have similar articles again.

If people what photos of planes than AOPA has that. I want a 12 part series on the nuts and bolts of desiging a cargo door in the side of a lattice type fuseladge. But that's me.
Sounds like you should visit an engineering school... That doesn't sound like a general interest article even within the homebuilt aviation market.
 
I've been to Airventure twice. Once when I was in HS and got to fly in in a friend's cabin twin (so I was in the back and didn't fully appreciate the magnitude of the show.

Then in '22, after becoming a pilot, I flew from KIPT (Williamsport, PA) to OSH and, with the biggest, stupidest grin on my face, heard "Blue and White Cessna, rock your wings...Good rock, turn right and follow the east/west road and make left traffic for runway 18 right, welcome to Oshkosh!"

Even typing that, I've got a huge grin on my face and it makes me want to go back SO badly! Unfortunately, time/work/family responsibilities have prevented me from going back yet, but if I could sum up Airventure (the fly-in, the warbirds, the vendors, the airshows, the people, the town, the controllers, the experimentals, the fighters, the POA Cookout.....you get the idea), I can sum it all up in one word:

UNFORGETTABLE!!!

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I only been to AirVenture in 2022 traveling solo and stayed in the UW Oshkosh dorms. Oshkosh would be the place to find planes or warbirds either on the flight line or in the air show that you would not find at any other. I have been to many airshows in the Northeast growing up and while the Thunderbirds, Blue Angels, and the F-35 put on an awesome show, where would you find a Mig-17 with full afterburners flying past the audience full speed? I don't think you could find jet warbirds at most airshows in the U.S., a lot of F-35s, F22s, F-18s etc, but no Migs.

Also, the Van's RV12 one of the most simple and beautiful LSAs out there! Hope to fly one or at least get a ride in it one of these days.

I'm looking at going in 2026 as I think this year is too late for me.
 

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@pfarber I'm a photographer for EAA and I'm working with Plane & Pilot, and the editor I'm working with also works with Kitplanes. What do you want to see? Maybe we can help to make that change.

I love what you already place here for us to see. Maybe a few air flights in the Oshkosh area for those of us that haven't been ... now if you can get an air-to-air with a Stealth with cockpit pics that'd be awesone;):)
 
I love what you already place here for us to see. Maybe a few air flights in the Oshkosh area for those of us that haven't been ... now if you can get an air-to-air with a Stealth with cockpit pics that'd be awesone;):)
I feel like I've heard something like that before. Something, something, maintaining diplomatic relations...blah, blah, because I was inverted.....
 
I love what you already place here for us to see. Maybe a few air flights in the Oshkosh area for those of us that haven't been ... now if you can get an air-to-air with a Stealth with cockpit pics that'd be awesone;):)
Thanks! I do take some pics of the grounds as we fly over, but haven't done a lot. This year I'm thinking about attaching my Insta360 cam to the EAA Photo Plane. One of my favorite things to do at OSH (of many!) is coming back in from a photoshoot on the prison approach and looking down on the area.

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Also fun to see the crowd gathering for the night airshow!
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A photo of me taking a photo of this rare wheel setup! Another example of something you won't see everywhere!
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Thanks! I do take some pics of the grounds as we fly over, but haven't done a lot. This year I'm thinking about attaching my Insta360 cam to the EAA Photo Plane. One of my favorite things to do at OSH (of many!) is coming back in from a photoshoot on the prison approach and looking down on the area.

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Also fun to see the crowd gathering for the night airshow!
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A photo of me taking a photo of this rare wheel setup! Another example of something you won't see everywhere!
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What in the name of Zeus's Butthole is the purpose of that setup?!?!?
 
What in the name of Zeus's Butthole is the purpose of that setup?!?!?
LOL, it was from the 40's and bushwheels weren't as popular or available as they are today. It was an attempt to distribute the load in an off-field landing.
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So, what exactly am I missing?
For you, apparently nothing. Don't go, it clearly isn't for you.

I go to art museums even though I will never own a Monet painting. I go to admire the craftmanship of a true master and to get a few ideas I might use in my own feeble attempts at painting. AirVenture is similar for me. I go to see how true masters solve problems and fix little things on their planes. Some of those ideas percolate into my humble bird. I go to see what is evolving in building techniques, in materials, in avionics and in techniques. I go to learn new skills in the hands-on workshops. The gas welding techniques I learned let me build a pretty cool electric tug for my plane, and that saved me thousands of dollars over buying one. Yeah, the camaraderie is great, but I spend most of my time wandering the hallowed halls alone. My infrequent interactions with others in attendance have always been positive and uplifting and that isn't something I could say about interactions with strangers in any other large crowd I've been in. I never stay the full week. Sometimes I arrive early and leave early. This year I'll arrive late and stay till the end. I'll spend some time airplane camping in the wilderness of Idaho and/or Montana on the way there, and on the way home. I'll have memories of the journey and the show that will make me smile for years. When those memories start to fade, I'll know it is time to return. Clearly the show and the environment aren't for everyone, but it is just as clear that it is the perfect environment for a very large number of people - me included.

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I am not your target demographic. I don't give a crap about the barn find Cessna 140 that a guy spent $100k on. I don't give a crap about some $60,000 Garmin setup in a $500,000 Lancair. I don't care about a $250,000 diesel engine. I couldn't care any less about some inner city yute getting a 10 minute flight or inspiring some kid to become a pilot (lol 80% washout rate for PPL students)

Where is the EAA on getting members a 25% discount on tools from somewhere? Some good composite layup articles? designing an engine mount? bending a wing leading edge skin? Performing a condition inspection (no, not on an RV-12). How about a series on figuring out performace envelopes? Or fabric covering?

If people what photos of planes than AOPA has that. I want a 12 part series on the nuts and bolts of desiging a cargo door in the side of a lattice type fuseladge. But that's me.
I look forward to you trying to start an organization to bring that kind of organization and event back. Until then, I'll keep enjoying that there is a whole lot of that kind of thing that exists within the giant event that is OSH.
 
I feel like I've heard something like that before. Something, something, maintaining diplomatic relations...blah, blah, because I was inverted.....

THAT'S IT!!! Low Flying Jack, please start including photos taken with the camera or show plane inverted, with or without middle finger:p:):):)
 
I have lived in the area, off and on, for much of my life. I flew in from Green Bay in 1973, and it was my first time at Oshkosh... long before they started calling it AirVenture. The following year, I was there as a news reporter helping cover the first fatal crash. Met Paul Poberezny. The crash victim was Dewey Bryan whose "roadable" airplane crashed when one wing unlocked from the folded down position.

For many years in the late 80s and most of the 90s and later, we flew in and camped in the North 40. Loved it. Memories: Brent Blue's birthday party with the rubber chickens. Walter Atkinson with his "Dame Milkstool" twin Beech. Tom Gresham, whose tent I blew away trying to taxi out of a sunken parking spot (I learned to put boards under the wheels). Meeting Hal Fischer, a Korean War ace who spent three years in a Chinese prison. Astronaut Jay Apt. Rick Durden, who trained me in seaplanes. Penny Wilson. Nigel Thompson. Stan Musick. Lots of the old AVSIG group, good friends forever.

I have not been there the last few years, but my workload is much less this year, so I will probably drive in for a day (I am an hour and a half away). Sunscreen, wide brimmed hat, good walking shoes... and a bit of cash just in case there is something I want. I know there is nothing I need. Just to reconnect with thousands of my best friends.
 
When we were invited to the Smithsonian dinner for several years, we started out at what I called the "Kiddie Table." We were seated with Brent Blue and his finger puppets and a bunch of chidren (but still adults) of some of the big names.
 
Memories: Brent Blue's birthday party with the rubber chickens. Walter Atkinson with his "Dame Milkstool" twin Beech. Tom Gresham, whose tent I blew away trying to taxi out of a sunken parking spot (I learned to put boards under the wheels). Meeting Hal Fischer, a Korean War ace who spent three years in a Chinese prison. Astronaut Jay Apt. Rick Durden, who trained me in seaplanes. Penny Wilson. Nigel Thompson. Stan Musick. Lots of the old AVSIG group, good friends forever.
The rubber chicken parties were epic. There is nothing more Oshkosh than having Patty Wagstaff serve you a margarita out of a gas can. :rofl:

Gil, if you're interested, I'd happily have lunch with you when you're there (or whenever). If you want to head up to Cadillac, let me know - I haven't been in far too long myself and I'd happily give you a lift over there too.
 
I am not sure yet which day I will go to Oshkosh. I'll probably decide based on the weather a few days ahead of time.

The Cadillac seaplane and skiplane weekends have ended, so unless that changes, I probably won't be going there anymore. Sure was fun while it lasted.
 
Nearly every person I know who has built their own airplane in recent memory is a member of AOPA and put a bunch of Garmin stuff in their panel. So yeah, of course they're there. And were I building a plane, I'd want them there too.


I first went to OSH in 1987 with my dad. He bought me a membership - You had to have one in those days to get on the flight line and actually see airplanes.

You know what I remember from the magazine in those days? Everyone incessantly bitching about needing to install a Mode C transponder to get near big cities, and talking about the upcoming Oshkosh '88.

And I'm sure there were cool airplanes too, but the overall theme was those two things, repeatedly, so that's what I remember.


I find interesting stuff in SA every month. Maybe you don't because you know it all already.


Oshkosh was much smaller back in the day. Still big - I do remember airplanes at least out to the west end of 9/27 and wrapped around. And seeing airplanes with tents under the wings is what made me want to do that someday.

But Oshkosh getting bigger is not a bad thing. EAA does good things for aviation, and if they didn't, aviation would be smaller and by definition so would experimental aviation. If you want to be a purist so badly that you'd rather do it by yourself, then you'll be the last of an extinct breed.


So it's not even that you want it to be more about experimental aviation, it's that you want it to be about YOUR OWN PARTICULAR NICHE of experimental aviation, which sounds like it's the plans-built, do-everything-on-the-cheap variety. Guess what? That's not everyone's cup of tea. Some experimental folks like the $500K Lancair with the expensive panel. I'm somewhere in between - I like gadgets and affordability and going places.


So again, EAA should only be things you care about? EAA should not try to lead expansion of their own core market, and just let it wither and die?


Nowhere, because there's probably not anyone with a margin big enough to get that kind of discount any more. Welcome to the global economy. Isn't competition good? EVERYONE gets the "25% discount" now because margins are smaller due to competition.


They have articles on various subject like those all the time. And if you wait long enough, they'll have similar articles again.


Sounds like you should visit an engineering school... That doesn't sound like a general interest article even within the homebuilt aviation market.
its easy to dismiss my criticism because no one wants to make waves. where are the builders that are throwing $250k at a diesel motor? they are complaining about $2k for a new jug.

the EAA is not about EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. when Rutan brought composites into the mix that was experimental. Cirrus started in the 80s as an experiment with a cabin class pusher. Kitfox renewed the nostalgia of the cub/stol.

Even the EAA dismisses wood construction and fabric covering... when was the last time they did some good articles on the process? no, not a company, but a tech article about wood and fabric? crickets?

why is the EAA not pushing more AnPs and instead concentrates on pilots? not even builders... some guy spending $200k on a certificated barn find... and he can't even do the work he just pays to have it done... yeah,that's a fascinating read... dude spent money. WOW.

my critique is valid and what I am describing is what the EAA was up to about the 90s. Then it flipped from builders to a other pilot club.

the EAA DID make great strides early on simplifying building. no more pre cover inspection or FSDO that never even hear of eab. But the moves it has made in the last 10-20 years pale in comparison.
 
its easy to dismiss my criticism because no one wants to make waves. where are the builders that are throwing $250k at a diesel motor? they are complaining about $2k for a new jug.

the EAA is not about EXPERIMENTAL aircraft. when Rutan brought composites into the mix that was experimental. Cirrus started in the 80s as an experiment with a cabin class pusher. Kitfox renewed the nostalgia of the cub/stol.

Even the EAA dismisses wood construction and fabric covering... when was the last time they did some good articles on the process? no, not a company, but a tech article about wood and fabric? crickets?

why is the EAA not pushing more AnPs and instead concentrates on pilots? not even builders... some guy spending $200k on a certificated barn find... and he can't even do the work he just pays to have it done... yeah,that's a fascinating read... dude spent money. WOW.

my critique is valid and what I am describing is what the EAA was up to about the 90s. Then it flipped from builders to a other pilot club.

the EAA DID make great strides early on simplifying building. no more pre cover inspection or FSDO that never even hear of eab. But the moves it has made in the last 10-20 years pale in comparison.
IMO your criticism has some merit, and you're free to complain all you want. However, I also think you are very much in the minority. I for one have no issue with Osh's commercialism or the direction EAA has gone--this will be our 13th year attending, 11th year straight flying in and our 4th volunteering but I will admit it's not for everyone. You are free to round up all of the individuals who feel as you and start your own organization. The forums and workshops that cater to the very techniques you lament are there plus a ton of online info in the form of hints for homebuilder videos, webinars, and digital copes of Sport Aviation and Experimenter. People are still building Piets, Fischer's, Hatz's, and Corben Aces to name a few, but again they very much in the minority. Times have changed and EAA has moved on and no amount of one guy bitching about it on a forum is gonna change that.
 
People are still building Piets, Fischer's, Hatz's, and Corben Aces to name a few, but again they very much in the minority. Times have changed and EAA has moved on and no amount of one guy bitching about it on a forum is gonna change that.
She's the future and the past and I've enjoyed her process. All airplanes are fun.

 
my critique is valid and what I am describing is what the EAA was up to about the 90s.
Except its only valid if you want to remain in the 90s. The private, recreational aircraft market went through a huge shift in the 80s-90s on both the TC’d and E/AB sides. And the EAA and other similar associations had to make the same shift or disappear. I wasn’t involved on the E/AB side much except for the occasional rotorcraft work or Condition Inspection, but I even saw the shift in my mx business during the same time frame. While I’m sure there are other diehards like yourself who prefer the E/AB of the 90s, the overall private market has moved in a different direction with the intro of LSA, the potential changes in MOSAIC, and even the failed attempt at Primary Non-Commercial.
 
I was reminded of this thread watching the following video. This is what I would call experimental...and cool to see them discuss the handling characteristics post-test.

(Trigger warning for Zenith owners. :))

 
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