Vision Jet autoland

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  1. jordane93

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    That's something else! Wow.
     
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    Can it be used for for normal landings?
     
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    Probably not. It searches the most optimal airfield for an emergency landing (unless the optimal airfield happens to be your destination)
     
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    Very impressive use of technology. Kudos to Cirrus and Garmin for giving that a shot.

    As an aside, when did interview subjects staring off to the left or right become a “thing”? I find it terribly affected, distracting and stupid. Who’s with me???
     
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    Looks like the Piper M600 is getting it as well.

    "The HALO™ Safety System is a compilation of innovative technologies unique to the M600 SLS and the Garmin G3000 avionics suite. The system includes Auto-throttle, Emergency Descent Mode, Enhanced Stability and Protection, Surface Watch, Safe Taxi, Flight Stream connectivity and more. However, of greatest significance is the addition of Garmin Autoland – digital technology that safely lands the aircraft at the nearest suitable airport in the event that the pilot is incapacitated."

    https://www.piper.com/press-release...ht7QehuaeSeeXGnitmQWmzNgdmeAcsmj76dszJrxMbKWE
     
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    I assume that means a towered airport, does it squawk 7700?
    I also assume it requires a radar altimeter, auto throttle, a way to shutdown the engine. I wonder if it also uses a camera to identify the center line?


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    The video doesn’t specify towered or non towered. It just chooses the “best” airfield. It will automatically squawk 7700. I assume it will track centerline via the localizer signal or GPS signal
     
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    Mostly covered in the video. Yes to the 7700, radar altimeter and auto throttle. I don't recall shutdown or a camera being mentioned. Given the accuracy of GPS, not sure a camera would be necessary to adequately maintain the rough center of the runway.
     
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    I noticed that the com panels mostly become a big PTT button. I wonder if it auto tunes 121.5 or if it just stays on the last frequency? I see that you can enter your own frequencies in, presumably so once you’re talking to someone they can tell you who to go to.

    Looks neat!
     
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    No. It is only for emergency situations when the pilot becomes incapacitated or otherwise can't land the airplane.
     
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    As a consumer of cool things, I like this. It's another step towards...something.
     
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    something = no pilot
     
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    Should have an EKG interface for older pilots ...
     
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    One of the other Garmin "autonomi" products requests a response from you periodically when you are at altitude and if you don't reply quick enough it will initiate a decent. Not quite what you are describing, but similar.
     
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    The system can be actuated manually, but it doesn't have to be. Basically it'll monitor inputs, and after some period of time prompt the pilot to acknowledge that he/she is still awake, and then will automatically engage.
     
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    If the pilot is incapacitated, the autoland should go to a towered airport to both hasten emergency response and the tower can clear the airspace around the airport.
    I can only imagine what would happen if it tried landing at non towered airport. Would it do 45° entry or straight end ;-)


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    Single pilot EMS would be a prime customer for this technology. There’s been a few pilot incapacitations in EMS where the med crew actually had to assist in the landing. The importance of med crews learning the basics of flight is being considered in the community. This “red button” would negate the need for that. Also makes my employment days numbered.
     
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    I think if the VisionJet is marketed towards family's and the usual pilot is just one adult member of that family, I can see this feature going a long way to easing the minds of the other family members. It just the next evolution of the CAPS system.
     
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    This is really a technology that is prime for any single pilot operation. I'd love to have it in the MU-2. Even though my wife is not only highly competent but trained in the MU-2, I am often flying solo (or solo + dogs). It would be very nice to know that if something happened to me in flight that the airplane could get me on the ground safely.

    As for making days numbered, keep in mind that this is a long ways from auto takeoff, auto clearance, auto ATC communication...

    We're much closer to cars that can drive 100% autonomously and getting rid of our roles as drivers than planes that will fly 100% autonomously and get rid of our roles as pilots from a calendar perspective.
     
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    Not sure about that. Sure, planes operate in three dimensions and cars (usually) in just two. But cars have to deal with a much larger set of variables, so I don't think it's a given that aircraft autonomy necessarily will take longer.
     
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    That looked like a pretty hard landing. Safe, but hard. Probably not something you'd want to be doing regularly anyway.
     
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    Well any single pilot operation with $$$ to afford it. While it won’t happen in my career, as stated in the video, the end goal is full automation. Press of a button and the aircraft starts, taxis, take off and land on its own.
     
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    "Podunk traffic, Vision Jet two-three-bravo, fifty-mile final runway 32, automated landing due to pilot incapacitation. Any traffic in the area, please advise."
     
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    I certainly could be wrong on that. However, certification of revolutionary features in aircraft is something that takes time. Then those features need to propagate throughout the market. Aviation, especially GA, mostly runs on old planes. This is the opposite of the automotive world where new features can be implemented relatively quickly, cert burden is lower, and people replace their cars pretty quickly with much higher volume.

    I seem to recall that not long ago semi trucks started driving themselves on the highway portions of certain specific routes for particular operators, and we've got some self-driving autonomous cars already that have been causing controversy and discussion. But we're basically already there with cars.
     
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    The goal is there for commercial aviation, too.

    It won't affect your career (or likely even mine). Will it happen eventually? Probably, and I'm not a an of that for a number of reasons. But I also don't see it being ubiquitous, it will likely just get to the point where only the enthusiasts will drive/fly themselves.
     
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    Seriously, why couldn't they call it "Otto-land"? This is a travesty.
     
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    I think it's supposed to look like the person being interviewed is talking to the interviewer, who is seated next to the camera. 60 minutes comes to mind as the most common application.
     
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    Certification will be the longest step in the process. I would expect we will see this feature in the experimental world next.
     
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    Fixed wing air ambulances and freighters not named UPS/Fed ex seemingly never buy factory new aircraft and seemingly those are the pilots most nervous.

    Let's say this system eventually makes it to a new King Air 200 and/or PC-12. How many years of pilot salary can an air ambulance operator pay before he gets an ROI on the price of a factory new PC-12 sans pilot vs a 1981 C421? Or even a 1993 King Air? Let's say Boeing puts this system in the 777. You think someone like ATSG is going to buy factory new aircraft instead of scavenging the boneyards and buying up all the pax haulers' 767's? They can afford FO salaries beyond the lifespan of the plane to make up that difference.

    Besides, the first time one of these autonomous aircraft ever crashes with ground casualties, the lawyers will make them even more expensive vs a pilot's salary.
     
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    Wow! This is so cool!
     
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    First parachutes and now autonomous landing. This is a byproduct of UAS technology and I'm sure Cirrus will be pimping this as a safety feature for folks who wouldn't otherwise consider purchasing an airplane.

    This is the same tactic used by air carriers to mitigate safety risks for dangerous operations, such as offshore helicopter work and the FAA applies these steps to formalize the certificate holder's Ops Manual procedures.

    For the helicopter operators, the bottom line is selling a service that others cannot legally perform. For manufacturers (Cirrus) it's about selling airplanes.

    what's next? Autonomous Air Taxis with passengers? Certified unmanned cargo flights? Use your imagination!
     
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    Agree with the latter. Autonomous automobiles are further away than the hype would lead us to believe. We've been doing in airplanes for decades (guiding the plane precisely with automation) what Tesla and others are still trying to make work at a minimally competent and reliable level today. The systems may "learn", but something as simple as new construction zone on the usual route commuting to the office one morning still throws them for a loop.
     
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    Neat, but I still can't afford a SF50. :oops:
     
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    So basically it's attitude hold in a GA plane. Cool, they should make that a regular feature, not just an emergency deal.
     
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    it is ultimately a Garmin feature so I could see this being deployed through other general aviation fleet planes, someone up thread mentioned the piper m600

    I will say, the "safety" angle, especially as people become more and more "sensitive" to risk, is smart marketing. I've been able to get several non-pilot and otherwise fearful of flying passengers up flying with me strictly based on the perceived safety that the Cirrus brings as a result of it being "modern" feeling "like a car" and the parachute.. even though the single most dangerous and fallible variable in the whole operation is still me as the pilot

    As long as people can still freely fly and operate a wide array of airplanes I don't see anything wrong with using safety as a selling point
     
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    Credit and debit! It's the American way!
     
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