Ukraine Just Re-Wrote the Rules of War

Ed Haywood said:
Even with a 90% failure rate, that other 10% would suck on the receiving end.
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Which might be Kyiv . . . or Budapest . . . or Damascus . . . or Lahore . . . or Phuket . . . or Nanjing . . . or the North Pole. One never knows with Russian guidance systems.
 
Baked Potato said:
Sure. But on the other hand, would you fire a shotgun if you knew that there was a hairline crack in the barrel?
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The problem with that analogy being that one would have to be intelligent enough to understand what the separating steel in a Damascus barrel means, and how it might negatively affect them if they pull the trigger. The prosecution of Russian operations thus far shows very little in the way of intelligence.
 
JOhnH said:
I'm sure I'm not the only one to catch your drift, but whether or not gorilla warfare exists, outside of the tropical forests of equatorial Africa, "guerrilla " warfare is a thing.
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Dammit Jim, I’m an engineer not a spellchecker!
 
Copy/Paste from the interwebs;
The word guerrilla (the diminutive of Spanish guerra, “war”) stems from the duke of Wellington's campaigns during the Peninsular War (1808–14), in which Spanish and Portuguese irregulars, or guerrilleros, helped drive the French from the Iberian Peninsula.
 
Hang 4 said:
Copy/Paste from the interwebs;
The word guerrilla (the diminutive of Spanish guerra, “war”) stems from the duke of Wellington's campaigns during the Peninsular War (1808–14), in which Spanish and Portuguese irregulars, or guerrilleros, helped drive the French from the Iberian Peninsula.
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So are these gorillas or guerrillas?

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billsgs126 said:
The problem with that analogy being that one would have to be intelligent enough to understand what the separating steel in a Damascus barrel means, and how it might negatively affect them if they pull the trigger
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Or desperate enough to take the risk… for example, if a grizzly bear was charging my children and they were seconds away from certain death I would without hesitation pull the trigger on shotgun with a cracked barrel, heck even one with a full blown hole in the barrel to try to save them and hope for the best, fully knowing the risk.
 
Flatiowa said:
Or desperate enough to take the risk… for example, if a grizzly bear was charging my children and they were seconds away from certain death I would without hesitation pull the trigger on shotgun with a cracked barrel, heck even one with a full blown hole in the barrel to try to save them and hope for the best, fully knowing the risk.
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Given that the most likely way that will succeed (even with an undamaged gun) would be to wait until the bear’s mouth is around the muzzle, the outcome probably wouldn’t change with a bad barrel. ;)
 
Flatiowa said:
Or desperate enough to take the risk… for example, if a grizzly bear was charging my children and they were seconds away from certain death I would without hesitation pull the trigger on shotgun with a cracked barrel, heck even one with a full blown hole in the barrel to try to save them and hope for the best, fully knowing the risk.
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Getting away from the cracked shotgun barrel analogy, maybe you know full well that if you''re ordered to launch and don't, you're going to be summarily executed and your replacement will definitely do it. If the launch fails, at least you won't have time to do more than MAYBE register an "Oh, well".

tspear said:
Was spiderweb a one shot deal? Or do they round two pre-positioned waiting to see the damage cleared to take out more of the fleet?
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Probably only a handful of Ukrainians know for sure... but I'll bet right now the Russians are thinking really hard about how the Israeli exploding battery campaign unfolded last year.
 
DaleB said:
…. but I'll bet right now the Russians are thinking really hard about how the Israeli exploding battery campaign unfolded last year.
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Likely not. When it comes to “the Russians”, there is only one who’s thoughts matter. Prigozhin found that out the hard way two years ago.
 
TCABM said:
Likely not. When it comes to “the Russians”, there is only one who’s thoughts matter. Prigozhin found that out the hard way two years ago.
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Half Fast said:
I'll bet Putin is thinking really hard about which of his Generals need to have mysterious accidents for letting this happen.
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No doubt. And the generals who don’t meet with unfortunate but predictable “accidents” will still be thinking really hard about where to look for that next shoe that may or may not drop.
 
Triple tap?

3 railroad bridges serving the front lines knocked out, one with a train crossing at the time, big pile of coaches in the wreckage.

The Kursk bridge explosives were not all initially fired, late bang after the repair teams were organized. Repair was deferred until condition was determined to be safe, Ukraine says that not all explosives have been triggered yet.
 
geezer said:
Triple tap?

3 railroad bridges serving the front lines knocked out, one with a train crossing at the time, big pile of coaches in the wreckage.

The Kursk bridge explosives were not all initially fired, late bang after the repair teams were organized. Repair was deferred until condition was determined to be safe, Ukraine says that not all explosives have been triggered yet.
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I have not seen anything on the railroad bridges, when I searched online, the articles were all dated. Any references you can share?

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geezer said:
Triple tap?

3 railroad bridges serving the front lines knocked out, one with a train crossing at the time, big pile of coaches in the wreckage.

The Kursk bridge explosives were not all initially fired, late bang after the repair teams were organized. Repair was deferred until condition was determined to be safe, Ukraine says that not all explosives have been triggered yet.
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Russian agents are frantically saving a "top secret" British documentary as we speak . . .
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I saw pictures on Pprune, Ukraine war thread, last page.

Report there also of missiles into military targets in Crimea.

Putting pressure on ability to re supply Crimea?
 
I read an interesting treatment today that said Ukraine’s openness in describing how Spiderweb was executed was intentional; it has tied up commerce in a nation where (the article said) 70% goes via trucks, and now all truck shipments are suspect so the searches are creating major delays. This was an amazing, well thought-out campaign that will be studied by historians for a long time, I think.
 
Iflydogs said:
it has tied up commerce in a nation where (the article said) 70% goes via trucks, and now all truck shipments are suspect so the searches are creating major delays.
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Wouldn't surprise me if they send a "defective" trailer then call the tip line every month or two.
 
Iflydogs said:
I read an interesting treatment today that said Ukraine’s openness in describing how Spiderweb was executed was intentional; it has tied up commerce in a nation where (the article said) 70% goes via trucks, and now all truck shipments are suspect so the searches are creating major delays. This was an amazing, well thought-out campaign that will be studied by historians for a long time, I think.
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That's pretty brilliant. Take out a third of the fleet *and* cripple shipping in one attack. And, meanwhile, they have an 18 month head start, so the bad guys in Russia are likely chasing an attack that's already been obsoleted by another approach.
 
172andyou said:
That's pretty brilliant. Take out a third of the fleet *and* cripple shipping in one attack. And, meanwhile, they have an 18 month head start, so the bad guys in Russia are likely chasing an attack that's already been obsoleted by another approach.
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Not to mention, it lends credibility to rumors or planted intelligence of other styles of pending attacks, whether or not they're for real. Misinformation can lead Russia to misallocating resources.
 
To raise what will surely be an unpopular note, I believe NATO is sleepwalking into WW 3. This coming war will not be like the past video game style bomb em conflicts without consequences. The Russian Federation could not withstand a combined NATO assault and would as Putin stated deploy tactical nuclear weapons if the sovereignty of Russia is threated. This a feeling of giddiness in response to the Ukrainian drone attacks. If war becomes a global conflict the first weapons to be deployed will be EMP devices and your phones, computers, cars, and all circuit devices will permanently cease functioning. As in the days of WW 2 and 9/11 all GA aircraft will be grounded for the duration unless you are a CFI and under the terms of a public law all flight instructors will be immediately drafted. On a civil threat level, as most are aware, there are 250,000 Russian born Russians residing in the Northeast US. Maybe? They are loyal citizens. American weapons are killing Russians on Russian soil. I can imagine what would happen if the reverse were true over here. Ukraine has a right to their independence and freedom. Our folks and their children have a right to a future life without fears of starvation and radiation poisoning. Make sure all you young pilots register for the Selective Service draft
 
What happened to the Democratic People's Republic of Korea presence in Ukraine.??
 
Ralph Parmenter Bennett said:
To raise what will surely be an unpopular note, I believe NATO is sleepwalking into WW 3.
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I don't. And if it should escalate that far, it'll only be because Putin chooses to take it that way, which would be suicidal for him.
 
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