Trio vs TruTrak

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    Nice looking product!

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    Soooo.... if I do an Aspen E5 and the Trutrak, do need to remove the GI106A currently on the GTN 650 for the STC? Or in other words, is it still required and if not, is there any reason to keep it installed such as redundant to the CDI on the Aspen?
     
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    Reading the E5 manual, it looks as if you can keep the GI06A and it will function like a standby/secondary with the Aspen E5. I have a GI102A (the ONLY piece of Garmin gear in my entire panel) thats slaved to my IFD540, and I plan on keeping it in the panel as a standby/secondary for the E5. I figure why not? Its already paid for, already installed and wired, might as well get some use out of it. I am not sure the GI102A has as much resale value as a GI106A, so it might not even be worth pulling in my example.
     
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    Sooo..... I think I am gonna do the Trutrak and the E5. I’m thinking the dual G5 sounds really nice up front, but with the capability to turn the E5 into a full blown Pro 1000 MX later, it really makes more sense to go that route where the G5’s will always be just G5’s.

    I don’t know if TT is going to add auto trim or anything, but I’m feeling good knowing Aspen is arm in arm with TT the options are open. And the GFC500, While much preferable and assuming they actually add my plane to the list, is double the cost for 20% more capability. I dunno. Just thinking aloud. But if I’m going to drop the coin, money being about equal, Aspen\TT just feels right. What am I missing?
     
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    I don't thing you have missed much Unit74...

    I am flying the TruTrak now, and the system and the support of the company have exceeded expectations...

    In the present market, the Trio has been relegated to a non starter, and some Trio installs are poking into the Garmin price range. TT have found their niche.... I like the partnership , TT<> Aspen. I have reason to believe auto trim , IAS set and some other goodies will come down the road, but it may be some time, the reason being that TT are applying all their resources to get additional STCs/AMLs in place. They are producing at full capacity and other type aircraft owners are clamoring on their doorstep. Their brilliantly clever design and installation process has impressed everybody. FAA and TC approvals will ALWAYS hold up the process.

    Short version of the above, -- I expect they will be around to support my system until I am done with it and beyond.They know how to do auto trim and other options, they already offer it to the experimental market now.

    I like the G5 units, but like the TFT technology of the Aspen screen that I can see easily with polarised glasses. And as you have pointed out, they will always be G5s, where the Aspen E5 can be upgraded to the WOW category if the $$$ are available. I have done enough "tearing out and replacing" for a while, so software upgrades in the future I find very appealing. If I had the dinero I would mount 3 Aspens and load them up!

    I attend discussions in 4 forums, and the same trends and conclusions are forming there as well. (Trio<> TT , G5 <> Aspen) The Aspen <> TT combination works very well, several are flying with good reports. Both companies have great reputations for support and innovation, and if they expand their integration, they could win this going away. I have spoken to both, and I can assure you that the benefit to each, by pursuing this co-operative effort, is absolutely not lost on either company.

    I think the Aspen will be in our aircraft later next year.. or sooner if our noisy DG goes South. (!)

    The more I hear and research, the more comfortable I am with the value and supportability of the Aspen<>TT solution , and it is within the budget.

    In this present market, I think it is the safe bet, and by far the most value.. I don't have the budget to spend a LOT more money for a couple of incremental functions that will be lightly (or maybe never) used. Many features are nice, and I am a self confessed gadget dork, but lately I have to admit that I now most often just tell the TT to "fly the plane " and enjoy the ride. :)

    Cheers!

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    Just saw on TTs Facebook that the PA 32 processing from the FAA is stopped. How the hell am I supposed to stimulate the economy if they won’t give me the AP to buy? TT said it’s ready to ship... just waiting on the FAA to give them the head nod and a signature.... Grrrrrr
     
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    >>And based on a discussion on Mooneyspace it sounds like Trio is a part time operation, or at least some of the people doing the STC work are, which might be a bit worrying if they didn't drop Mooneys entirely.

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    It is, and with due credit, Trio is owned by some really good people who do a great job, and have a deservedly loyal and happy customer base. The STC Group is also a part time operation ...

    By comparison, TruTrack is a full time operation with livelihoods invested.. I think the words are "skin in the game" :)

    It became a factor in the decision of many when choosing, particularly mid 2018 when things started to turn sour at Trio/STC as evidenced by their OWN correspondence with potential customers...Some of their correspondence shocked many potential customers…

    TruTrak design and build their servos and head ends on site in the USA. Trio units are imported. At TT things happen when solving issues, especially when the engineer who designed the unit is in the next room. I am quite sure the software coding is also done by their own people in the same building..

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    >which might be a bit worrying if they didn't drop Mooneys entirely.
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    I checked in the the Mooney Space, looks like they just did...

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    And thus I'm not at all worried about a part time company supporting Mooney installations, since there won't be any.
     
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    Interesting thread! Looks like a couple there still stuck on the Trio.. I guess they don't read back... :)

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    Cappy48, this is in response to a few of your posts regarding the Trio operations. First, I must say I enjoy your posts and find them very informative and generally on target. However, there is some misinformation that I'd like to correct with regard to Trio.
    First of all, Trio is not a part time operation. Never has been since incorporation in 2000. We are on site at the Trio office generally from 0800 to 1900 - 2000 each day. We also provide weekend support for customer support issues.
    Secondly, Trio does in fact build their own servos. Some time ago there was misinformation on the net that our servos were manufactured in Italy. Absolutely untrue. As with almost all manufacturing, components are sourced off site but final assembly of all mechanical and electrical assemblies are done at the Trio facility. All autopilot system inquiries, whether seeking product information or technical assistance are handled immediately by office personnel. The design engineer is on site and frequently handles technical questions when office staff need that assistance right then and there. And yes, the hardware and software design has been done right at the Trio Office since inception in 2000. I hope this helps clear up the discrepancies in the information you have on hand.

    Thanks !
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    Cappy48, this is in response to a few of your posts regarding the Trio operations. First, I must say I enjoy your posts and find them very informative and generally on target. However there is some misinformation in a few of them that I'd like to correct with regard to Trio.

    First of all, Trio is not a part time operation. Never has been since incorporation in 2000. We are on site at the Trio office generally from 0800 to 1900 - 2000 each day. We also provide weekend support for customer support issues. Secondly, Trio does in fact build their own servos. Some time ago there was misinformation on the net that ou
    Cappy48, this is in response to a few of your posts regarding the Trio operations. First, I must say I enjoy your posts and find them very informative and generally on target. However, there is some misinformation that I'd like to correct with regard to Trio.
    First of all, Trio is not a part time operation. Never has been since incorporation in 2000. We are on site at the Trio office generally from 0800 to 1900 - 2000 each day. We also provide weekend support for customer support issues.
    Secondly, Trio does in fact build their own servos. Some time ago there was misinformation on the net that our servos were manufactured in Italy. Absolutely untrue. As with almost all manufacturing, components are sourced off site but final assembly of all mechanical and electrical assemblies are done at the Trio facility. All autopilot system inquiries, whether seeking product information or technical assistance are handled immediately by office personnel. The design engineer is on site and frequently handles technical questions when office staff need that assistance right then and there. And yes, the hardware and software design has been done right at the Trio Office since inception in 2000.
    I hope this helps clear up the discrepancies with the information you have on hand.
     
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    Cappy48, this is in response to a few of your posts regarding the Trio operations. First, I must say I enjoy your posts and find them very informative and generally on target. However, there is some misinformation that I'd like to correct with regard to Trio.
    First of all, Trio is not a part time operation. Never has been since incorporation in 2000. We are on site at the Trio office generally from 0800 to 1900 - 2000 each day. We also provide weekend support for customer support issues.
    Secondly, Trio does in fact build their own servos. Some time ago there was misinformation on the net that our servos were manufactured in Italy. Absolutely untrue. As with almost all manufacturing, components are sourced off site but final assembly of all mechanical and electrical assemblies are done at the Trio facility. All autopilot system inquiries, whether seeking product information or technical assistance are handled immediately by office personnel. The design engineer is on site and frequently handles technical questions when office staff need that assistance right then and there. And yes, the hardware and software design has been done right at the Trio Office since inception in 2000.
    I hope this helps clear up the discrepancies with the information you have on hand.
     
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    Chuck..

    Thank you for this!

    Since I started researching for a new AP early in 2017 for an AP, I have found the industry to be rife with misinformation. Some information was SO difficult to obtain. I called Trio in June 2017 for specific information on the servos. When the representative found out I had a certified aircraft, he said the servos were different and was referred to the STC Group for information. However, I had just been referred to Trio for the information by the STC Group. (!) The subsequent second phone conversation with the STC group did not, shall we say, go well... :( They had no idea about the design of the servo or simply did not wish to share it...

    We had a wing apart for an AOA instrument install In April and wanted to install the roll servo cable at that time. Again bounced back and forth to get specs on the cable. We did get that info from your staff on the 2nd call after explaining that STC G were unable to give us the specs. (And we did get the cable installed!)

    The STC Group, by their own correspondence, is "part time" and I think this label is being unfairly attached to Trio due to the association when a customer is forced to deal with a "package" end product.

    Can you help with another piece of information about the Trio servos? The gear train... Is there a "breakaway" plastic gear in there? Perhaps in the experimental version only? Another case where I was referred to the STC G for the answer, but they "didn't know" . That would be good to have the correct information on that point.

    Thanks for this... Great to hear from the "top" ! Trio has a stellar reputation with all I have spoken to in the Experimental world!

    Cheers!

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    Chuck .... if you want to go toe to toe with Trutrak, you are going to have to even the monetary disparity somehow. If I can have Trutrak installed for $7500, Trio really does not bring enough to the table to justify the extra expense. I like your head unit better than the TT, but it’s all about the bottom dollar..... functionality as a ratio to cost.