Transition to UL Fuel

G100UL seems to be by far the best solution in two places - in the supply chain as it's fully miscible with 100LL and in the engine as there is no compromise in performance and you get the clean running benefit of no lead. The rub seems to be in the tanks and on the way to the engine. I would hazard a guess that there may be some litigation going on from some of the owners that have had paint issues that is causing GAMI to not very communicative on the material compatibility issues.
 
G100UL seems to be by far the best solution in two places - in the supply chain as it's fully miscible with 100LL and in the engine as there is no compromise in performance and you get the clean running benefit of no lead.
Maybe. But the one thing it lacks is OEM approval/acceptance. Here's Lycoming take on why.

https://www.lycoming.com/fuels
 
Maybe. But the one thing it lacks is OEM approval/acceptance. Here's Lycoming take on why.

https://www.lycoming.com/fuels
None of that verbiage appeared before the issues with G100UL showed up. Lycoming and other OEM's were either neutral or supportive (e.g. Cirrus). That's why the deafening silence of GAMI on the issues (other than George B correctly stating that a lot of the leakage issues were in tanks that were already leaking) is really hurting their market moving forward.
I'd be glad to run G100UL anytime it was available, but that seems unlikely to happen unless there is a dramatic change in the way things are progressing. PAFI, EAGLE seem to be very bureaucratic and not likely to drive to a successful new fuel, but rather to de-rate engines as a solution. If I were Lycoming/Continental, I'd worry about that a lot more than using G100UL.
 
Maybe. But the one thing it lacks is OEM approval/acceptance. Here's Lycoming take on why.
I had forgotten about the engine OEM's not testing/approving G100UL. Thanks @Bell206!

I wonder why GAMI doesn't want to let Lycoming talk about their G100UL testing results—GAMI has met all of the FAA criteria, so why are they concerned that Lycoming would have issues? I would think that getting OEM approval would be a huge victory for GAMI. Even if Lycoming has issues with G100UL, knowing those issues would seem, at least to me, to be very useful.
 
so my question, my poh already says dont' run engine on anything less than 96 octane, given a 100 octane fuel, why the hell would i have to change timings? i'm thinking 100r or ul100e would work fine and without the 20k$ in airplane mods to run g100ul
 
I fly two somewhat overpowered airplanes. With 8.5:1 compression. I'd rather deal with a product that works without fearing for paint (very expensive these days), fuel tank sealants or bladders (also expensive), or gasket/seal compatibility issues. I don't want to deal with any of that. I'd rather lose a little range (that seems to be the impact on me if the new fuels drive CHT or EGT higher either intrinsically or via retarding the spark) or a few HP, rather than have to rebuild a tank, repaint a wing, or pull the engine or fuel system apart to replace seals.
 
I had forgotten about the engine OEM's not testing/approving G100UL. Thanks @Bell206!

I wonder why GAMI doesn't want to let Lycoming talk about their G100UL testing results—GAMI has met all of the FAA criteria, so why are they concerned that Lycoming would have issues? I would think that getting OEM approval would be a huge victory for GAMI. Even if Lycoming has issues with G100UL, knowing those issues would seem, at least to me, to be very useful.


You’d have to ask George to be sure (he’s active on Beechtalk), but my understanding is that GAMI has had problems in the past with unauthorized disclosure and use of their IP. I believe they’re willing for Lycoming to test their fuel, but GAMI insists on a strict NDA, and Lycoming is unwilling to agree to it.
 
None of that verbiage appeared before the issues with G100UL showed up. Lycoming and other OEM's were either neutral or supportive (e.g. Cirrus).
Yes and no. When they pulled the G100UL from the PAFI process to pursue an STC they lost industry support. Call it neutral if you want but you’ll find OEMs in general have never been supportive of STCs or PMAs on their products unless they were part of those processes. And with Lycoming and Cirrus stating G100 use will void warranties I think it is evident where they actually stood on the matter for the past 15 years.

PAFI, EAGLE seem to be very bureaucratic and not likely to drive to a successful new fuel, but rather to de-rate engines as a solution.
Yes they are bureaucratic simply because they are mostly funded with public dollars. But they lack any authority to require engine derating as a solution. Regardless, the engine side is the easy part vs the airframe side and I wouldn’t be surprised if Lycoming and TCM already have a solution available which will ultimately be paid for by the consumer. But with the 100LL engines making up a smaller percentage of the market as a whole, I don’t see the incentive for any OEM to support an approval process outside of the fleet wide ASTM process which EAGLE/PAFI are about.

I'd be glad to run G100UL anytime it was available,
Curious. Have you already purchased the GAMI STCs?

GAMI has met all of the FAA criteria, so why are they concerned that Lycoming would have issues? I would think that getting OEM approval would be a huge victory for GAMI.
Two different certification and approval paths. For example, if Lycoming were to approve the G100 and list it in SI 1070, they would now have equal liability as GAMI where with the other fuels listed to include 100VLL there is no direct liability as the ASTM standard provides a barrier and an STC does not.
 
I have some personal experience with the whole AVGAS debacle and may provide some insight on the industry and FAA and epa views on AVGAS “politics”, for lack of a better word. I dealt with each entity, and initiatives to find substitutes to leaded fuels or other solutions to same ends.

We were initially encouraged by all parties, especially FAA, in statements that all wanted to find a solution that was deployable in terms of economically to old aircraft (the solution’s cost had to be acceptable to owners and operators of older aircraft or it wouldn’t be enough to make a pollution difference or phase out AVGAS…. This cost matrix included both acquisition and operating cost…. Essentially even if you had a perfect solution but if it cost $200k to buy, it would obviously fail as vast majority of ga pitons are close to 50 years old and hull values wouldn’t make it make sense, and there just wasn’t enough new pistons projected to be produced to offset such costs or be affordable). Example being continental’s certified diesel c172 conversion costing $110k and with no real operating savings. …it didn’t make fiscal sense for most, especially in larger ga markets as USA where AVGAS is plentiful and relatively cheap.

With the age of ga pistons and declining values, any solution had to be cheap enough to get the conversions in mass over a relatively short time.this was difficult to do almost 10 years ago as the current flight training boom had not lit off yet and private Pistons typically only flew 60 hours a year. Most owners, we figured, would most likely consider converting to a new engine solution upon reaching TBO of the current legacy engine which often took decades. So, it was a difficult solution to engineer and market to…. Not only did you need a way better mouse trap, it had to cost significantly less to buy, own and operate, a classic business 101 dilemma and many say a fool’s mission.

We briefly looked at possible modifications to Legacy engines that would allow use of a wider range of cheaper and cleaner burning fuels, but because of the rudimentary design, such as fixed timing and carburetor control, a meaningful solution would be difficult if not impossible in above mentioned constraints .

But regardless of the engineering challenges, it was clear the real hurdle was liability and the engine manufacturer’s influence with regulatory agencies in not wanting any such changes which took different forms as voiding warranty and issuing safety issues. Lycoming, the biggest manufacturer owned by same company TEXTRON as the biggest GA player Cessna, has significant influence with FAA and say in STCs related to their product. Some may say such OEM influence is irrelevant with a STC, but it’s not that simple.

in the 1970s GA piston engines were being produced at now unbelievable numbers. But over the last 20 years most of Lycoming margins come from selling rebuild parts and services, not new engines. So they are very protective of their market and margins, even buying out aftermarket parts competitors and shutting them down. It’s amazing to me that we accept the cost to overhaul a 1950s simple engine with no performance improvements is more thn a new hybrid car.

Our solution was any solution had to use modern mass produced components modified for the aircraft mission as ga was too small to rationalize starting from scratch. So we explored different options and came up with the same solution as the certified diesel engine manufacturers did, use a proven automotive engine as a core. Long story short, we decided an aluminum V8 engine would be most ideal as a core. Less than 2 years later we had a 2nd c172 flying around using cheap and cleaner ethanol car gas for about 60% less cost than with original engine.

At the time FAA had grants to develop AVGAS solutions. After completing all the required test plans FAA required for our AWC, we had real data that such a practical solution could work and worthy of funding development. Initially FAA grant personnel were bit misbelieving our c172 did what we said it did but were interested. But once they found out we did this with a new engine design, not modifying original engine or using a new gas, they explained they are only funding solutions that are new fuels or modifications to existing engines. So, that was that. We continued the development anyways, self funded, and made a great engine, even as FAA leadership did what they could to shut us down for the next few years, and continuing today. Just Last year, less than a week before flying Oshkosh, Washington sent 2 inspectors out to take our AWC and went through all our records (the AWC was a multipurpose and more complex than most so there are more requirements)…but we survived and a couple of local CFIs building time flew it Oshkosh and had a great time. Interesting enough, as they only were paying for fuel, they figured out the most cost efficient Cruise speed, that allowed them the most time logged for the least money…essentially what the airlines call Econ speed.

The engine design works well, even if not fully perfected as the FAA obstacles required us to stop further development even for the experimental market as engine was attached to an originally certified airframe. Our nest step was to evolve to a hybrid solution using same automotive automation and a smaller engine….which we projected cost to be bout $8-12/ hour.

To bad really, as our solution, even if not THE solution, could have incited other small entities to develop better and cheaper solutions in all aspects of GA, and likely have helped more proven experimental stuff cross over to certified, especially safely enhancing stuff. moreover, lowering cost would allow more to participate in ga and get pilot licenses, here and worldwide. Using our experimental c172 for training and FAA check rides, we have had private pilots get their certificates for less than $3,500 including DPE checkride fee; commercial pilots realized same cost savings; last month we had the first initial CFI training and FAA checkride in it. The cost from zero time to CFI could cost as low as $20k all in. Think how many more pilots there would be…even just the private pilots that rent a plane to fly to lunch a couple of time a month. And who knows what other small developers could bring to the market if we succeeded and opened locked doors, especially in areas of safety. We were a small self funded business, and there are many passionate entities out there far smatter than us that could have solved the AVGAS and other ga issues if given the opportunity long ago.

sorry for long post….Point is, the alternative gas solution is more complex than just finding a technical solution or how not to ruin paint or if it can cushion valves. As with many perfect solutions, there will always be some resistance. There are several interested parties each with their own motivations. If FAA really wanted to solve the issue, they could of in the 1980s when leaded fuels were outlawed for almost all other uses (few exemptions as mining and farm legacy stuff, and limited racing, for the most part). Many argued new engine designs were needed, but GA was already on life support with Cessna and piper shutting down piston production. The FAA allowed legacy manufacturers to be exempt from emissions regulations for decades so they had no reason to evolve as all other segments. And with ga future in doubt, there was little interest in financing new engines to go on airframes (which alone produce little reoccurring revenues to the airframe manufacturers) , especially when the largest airframe manufacturer owns the largest engine company. As ga size continued to shrink and fleet got older and worth less, the legacy brand continued to supply the same stuff without the fear of competition with the FAA’s continued protection. I expect the 2030 AVGAS deadline will be extended and can is kicked further down the road unless, STC’d or not, engine manufacturers fully get behind the new alternatives regardless of fuel costs. My suggestion, get aircraft that can burn mogas and not worry about it.

Apologize for long post
 
GAMI-gas has been approved (by STC) for virtually all piston aircraft, so from a technical standpoint it looks like the most viable solution, though some material compatibility work remains. I wonder whether the FAA could purchase the IP from GAMI (would George sell?) and then issue contracts to work on a solution to the materials problems. The FAA could also allow Lyc and Con to conduct their own tests. The FAA could then recoup their costs by licensing the formula to producers.

That's essentially what GAMI has been trying to do on their own, but with almost no success. If the FAA makes G100UL the one-&-only solution, though, there might be more motivation for fuel suppliers to get on board. And it just might be less of a cluster than EAGLE has become.
 
GAMI-gas has been approved (by STC) for virtually all piston aircraft, so from a technical standpoint it looks like the most viable solution, though some material compatibility work remains. I wonder whether the FAA could purchase the IP from GAMI (would George sell?) and then issue contracts to work on a solution to the materials problems. The FAA could also allow Lyc and Con to conduct their own tests. The FAA could then recoup their costs by licensing the formula to producers.

That's essentially what GAMI has been trying to do on their own, but with almost no success. If the FAA makes G100UL the one-&-only solution, though, there might be more motivation for fuel suppliers to get on board. And it just might be less of a cluster than EAGLE has become.
I remember @John-Paul Townsend of Gami was asked about the government buying the fuel. Like it was something Gami through out there. They heard crickets.
 
I wonder whether the FAA could purchase the IP from GAMI (would George sell?) and then issue contracts to work on a solution to the materials problems.
Unfortunately, the FAA is unable to do that on several levels. However, GAMI could do that now via a license agreement to work out any issues if they so chose.

Remember how long the FAA stalled on GAMI's STC?
Interesting. Had the opportunity to follow the 1st 3-4 years of their STC process so curious to know how the STC was stalled?
 
Interesting. Had the opportunity to follow the 1st 3-4 years of their STC process so curious to know how the STC was stalled?
We only get one side of the process/ story and thats from Braly who's obviously biased. But according to him it was stalled out until he talked to Mark Baker. Then a new team at the FAA was put on his case and things moved more quickly.
 
@Bell206, Braly mentioned that the G100UL FAA approval was stalled (illegally, it sounds like) by someone at the FAA caving to some threats made by one of the big oil companies. Here's a link to Busch's first interview with Braly where Braly talks about the delay and the FAA resistance (the question is answered at about 51:39 in the video--the link below should take to you that place in the episode):

 
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We only get one side of the process/ story and thats from Braly who's obviously biased. But according to him it was stalled out until he talked to Mark Baker. Then a new team at the FAA was put on his case and things moved more quickly.
Exactly. Given the timeframe to approve an STC of this magnitude can be as long as 3-5 years, the consensus here is that FAA sat on the process for 7 years? You may want to review the STC process they elected to follow considering they also thought the ASTM delegates were biased too. What I read pointed to a different issue that does account for the 12 year timeframe to the STC. And if you were to review the MCT posted above it gives clues to this if you are familiar with the process.

Here's a link to Busch's first interview with Braly
Sorry, not a fan of MB.
 
Exactly. Given the timeframe to approve an STC of this magnitude can be as long as 3-5 years, the consensus here is that FAA sat on the process for 7 years? You may want to review the STC process they elected to follow considering they also thought the ASTM delegates were biased too. What I read pointed to a different issue that does account for the 12 year timeframe to the STC. And if you were to review the MCT posted above it gives clues to this if you are familiar with the process.


Sorry, not a fan of MB.
Not a MB fan either. Curious why an expert isnt
 
Sorry, not a fan of MB.
@Bell206, Understood.

FWIW, that link I sent is nearly 99% of Braly talking (not MB). That link I sent starts 51 minutes into the interview, where Braly answers Busch's question about why FAA approval took so long--it's pretty interesting. Basically, Braly said that big oil told the FAA to stop considering G100UL early on in the approval process, threatening that there would be some negative consequences for the FAA unless the FAA held up the approval.
 
Basically, Braly said that big oil told the FAA to stop considering G100UL early on in the approval process, threatening that there would be some negative consequences for the FAA unless the FAA held up the approval.
Did Braly offer any proof of that?
 
He throws out @PaulMillner's name...

:yeahthat:

For non MB fans, it's not super painful to watch the 5, or so, minutes of the video snippet I included in message #96 where Braly gives his story.
 
Not a MB fan either. Curious why an expert isnt
If this was directed at me, I dont consider myself an expert. But to turn the question to you, would you take advice from a mechanic who is an IT guy by trade and never worked professionally as an A&P mechanic? What I can't fault him on is taking existing guidance and knowledge that was basically free, repackage/rebrand it, and sell it for a profit, then move that idea to the internet in 1995. Guess if I spent less time on my Tandy 1000 playing Leisure Suit Larry in between fixing broken planes and helicopters I could have gotten some of that easy money myself.:rolleyes:

Basically, Braly said that big oil told the FAA to stop considering G100UL early on in the approval process, threatening that there would be some negative consequences for the FAA unless the FAA held up the approval.
As I stated there are politics involved, but a several levels well above the FAA. And having experienced the FAA systems professionally to include STCs and worked in support of big oil for years, this is just another round of finger pointing about why G100 is not working out. I'd be interested to know how it would fare going through a complete ASTM review. But since he has said they are also out to get him as well, he'd just point more fingers at different people. As the adage goes, every time you point your finger at someone there are always 3 fingers pointing back at you.
 
I'd be interested to know how it would fare going through a complete ASTM review.
Quite well, probably, unless George is still fiddling with the formula. Remember ASTM certification means nothing about how well the fuel performs in engines; it's just a standard defining its composition and the test standards it has to meet, i.e. octane rating, volatility, energy content, quality control etc.
 
And with Lycoming and Cirrus stating G100 use will void warranties I think it is evident where they actually stood on the matter for the past 15 years.
Unless Conti, Lycoming, and Rotax will allow G100 without voiding warranties, this is all moot.
 
Quite well, probably, unless George is still fiddling with the formula. Remember ASTM certification means nothing about how well the fuel performs in engines; it's just a standard defining its composition and the test standards it has to meet, i.e. octane rating, volatility, energy content, quality control etc.
Well, if it was that certain, perhaps you can offer an explanation why they did not simply follow the ASTM route? Keep in mind, one of the reasons why it took 12 years to get the STC was their decision not to follow ASTM or similar standards, but to develop their own standards and testing.
 
I don't understand Braly's/GAMI's resistance to doing whatever is needed (like getting an ASTM accepted) in order to have a chance to make their fuel the new 100UL standard. Is it because the ROI doesn't make sense?
 
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Well, if it was that certain, perhaps you can offer an explanation why they did not simply follow the ASTM route? Keep in mind, one of the reasons why it took 12 years to get the STC was their decision not to follow ASTM or similar standards, but to develop their own standards and testing.
George's stubbornness?
 

In addition to the topics raised in the podcast, Braly shared two of his reasons for not participating in the ASTM approval process for his fuel blend. First, he feared theft of his intellectual property after decades of developmental work and testing on G100UL. He said that that after his first meeting with the ASTM board, he later discovered that one of the ASTM committee participants (an employee of a major fuel company) had later filed for a patent for GAMI’s G100UL formula.​
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His second reason for non-participation in the ASTM approval process was the group’s unwillingness to accept Detailed Hydrocarbon Analysis (DCA) in its consideration for approval of G100UL. DCA, Braly claimed, is central not only to the development and production of G100UL, but also to quality control in its production. He said that DCA led to an “enhanced” approval of G100UL from the FAA as part of the Supplemental Type Certificate (STC) process, as opposed to ASTM approval.​
 
Well, if it was that certain, perhaps you can offer an explanation why they did not simply follow the ASTM route? Keep in mind, one of the reasons why it took 12 years to get the STC was their decision not to follow ASTM or similar standards, but to develop their own standards and testing.
As I understand it, current avgas is defined as fuel that meets a particular ASTM standard. G100UL doesn't meet that standard. To be fleet wide legal without an STC, the fuel either has to meet the existing standard (which theoretically could be revised to include G100UL) or the FAA needs to redefine the avgas definition to include fuel meeting some new standard that G100 complies with. But George doesn't trust ASTM so there's no new or revised standard.
 
Unless Conti, Lycoming, and Rotax will allow G100 without voiding warranties, this is all moot.
What percentage of Continental, Lycoming and Rotax engines are currently operating with a manufacturers warranty? Pretty small number I suspect.
The next thing to consider is whether the manufacturers would rather fall on their swords and shut down, or live with whatever fuel is available for their product.
 
What percentage of Continental, Lycoming and Rotax engines are currently operating with a manufacturers warranty? Pretty small number I suspect.
The next thing to consider is whether the manufacturers would rather fall on their swords and shut down, or live with whatever fuel is available for their product.
Until innospec shutters TEL production, it will be status quo. When the former happens it will be an all out fire drill.
 
Until innospec shutters TEL production, it will be status quo.
We are also currently under the FAA ultimatum that leaded fuel must end in 2030, and 2032 in Alaska.

I'm thinking we should start fire drill training now! ;)
 
As I understand it, current avgas is defined as fuel that meets a particular ASTM standard.
The only "definition" of avgas I'm aware of is the one on the exchange to differentiate aviation gasoline from motor gasoline (mogas). If you have an official FAA definition would be interested to see it.

George's stubbornness?
I think its more that it won't meet any standard unless it has new rules added specifically for G100UL. Interestingly, only one entity has a problem with ASTM or any other 3rd party standards. Yet a number of other producers have successfully produced an unleaded aviation gasoline with no issues with some having it for decades. Call it what you want, but stubbornness is not one in the big picture.

The next thing to consider is whether the manufacturers would rather fall on their swords and shut down,
Except in the big picture only about 1/3 of the recip fleet require 100LL. So doubtful, there won't be any bloodshed or close out sales anytime soon.
 
As I understand it, current avgas is defined as fuel that meets a particular ASTM standard. G100UL doesn't meet that standard. To be fleet wide legal without an STC, the fuel either has to meet the existing standard (which theoretically could be revised to include G100UL) or the FAA needs to redefine the avgas definition to include fuel meeting some new standard that G100 complies with. But George doesn't trust ASTM so there's no new or revised standard.
ASTM is not a performance standard, it's a manufacturing/conformance standard. GAMI claims they meet the existing 100LL standard in all aspects except that the 100LL standard includes TEL, G100UL by definition does not meet that standard as it has no lead. That is true of all the other UL fuels as of now.

George really needs to get someone other than himself to push the ball forward. I know there are a lot of engineers on POA and I have a ton of respect for them, but he desperately needs to have someone other than himself doing the marketing and lobbying.
 
Yes and no. When they pulled the G100UL from the PAFI process to pursue an STC they lost industry support. Call it neutral if you want but you’ll find OEMs in general have never been supportive of STCs or PMAs on their products unless they were part of those processes. And with Lycoming and Cirrus stating G100 use will void warranties I think it is evident where they actually stood on the matter for the past 15 years.
Not sure how you get the 15 years. Cirrus provided samples for testing tank sealants and fiberglass tanks and subsequently signed off on that testing. They did the warranty thing once the paint issues starting showing up. No idea on Lyc/Conti. I do get the point why they might not be thrilled with the STC route
Curious. Have you already purchased the GAMI STCs?
I have not, but it's a bit chicken/egg - G100UL is not available anywhere near me. It's at least one fuel stop between me and the closest airport with G100UL. If I could buy the fuel, I'd put down $ for the STC.
As I understand it, current avgas is defined as fuel that meets a particular ASTM standard. G100UL doesn't meet that standard.
ASTM D910 defines 100LL. As I understand it, that's an industry consensus definition, not one that the FAA has any part in. Again, as I understand it, the only part not met by G100UL is the lead content.

Here's a highlight of what is covered in the ASTM spec; - (This includes all grades of avgas, hence the multiple colors)
The gasoline shall adhere to octane rating requirements specified for individual grades, as follows: lean mixture knock value (motor octane number and aviation lean rating); rich mixture knock value (octane and performance number); tetraethyl lead content; color; and dye content (blue, yellow, red, and orange). Conversely, the gasoline shall meet the following requirements specified for all grades: density; distillation (initial and final boiling points, fuel evaporated, evaporated temperatures); recovery, residue, and loss volume; vapor pressure; freezing point; sulfur content; net heat of combustion; copper strip corrosion; oxidation stability (potential gum and lead precipitate); volume change during water reaction; and electrical conductivity.

I'm not a GAMI fanboy, though it may sound like from some of my posts. What I am is a realist that TEL is going away. It's going to go away regardless of the actual harm aviation's use of TEL contributes to health issues. We are going to need a new fuel and I'm extremely skeptical that the EAGLE process is going to yield one that will work as a drop-in. GAMI has shortcomings as well, and they need to do something visible to start addressing them beyond showing the shoddy maintenance on the airplanes with issues. I get they are frustrated with the constant harping they've had to deal with and their competitors, particularly Swift have been pretty crappy in exploiting the material issues to advance their own fuel, while being equally non-transparent about the detonation challenges of their formula.
 
We are also currently under the FAA ultimatum that leaded fuel must end in 2030, and 2032 in Alaska.

I'm thinking we should start fire drill training now! ;)
political deadlines are rolex'd right all the time. It's the physical logisitcs of the sole provider having an industrial accident or losing the business motivation, what would immediately create an urgency.

Personally,I don't think there's any bona fide intention to ever attain full fleet support parity, post-TEL. People with engines who rely on that to make their rated power are just on borrowed time, hoping for a deus ex machina to save them from the upcoming monetary losses. The same regulatory capture and lack of economies of scale that has this hobby running around like a cuban taxi cab outfit, unable to bring modern engine designs to market at non-housing prices, is the same dynamic that ensures people who cannot attain parity with 94UL won't be getting a musical chair. They'll likely be told they have to eat the TCDS de-rating or go away.

Agree or disagree, hope's not a plan.
 
Not sure how you get the 15 years.
It comes from how long ago they left the PAFI group and started the STC process for the G100.

They did the warranty thing once the paint issues starting showing up.
That is not my understanding. After several recent discussions with past customers to include one Cirrus owner, the initial Service Instruction denying warranty came out in June 2024, months before G100 went live. Then in Nov shortly after it went live, Cirrus revised the SI to detail why it would void warranty with G100. I believe it wasnt until Dec 2024 the first reports of paint issues started to happen.

Again, as I understand it, the only part not met by G100UL is the lead content.
Keep in mind G100 or any other unleaded avgas does not fall under D910 but a different ASTM standard. And typically there are multiple standards involved in this process. For example, the G100 MCT report posted above falls under a separate standard requirement that they also had to duplicate from scratch. And if you look closely, you'll see a familiar name is the DER that approved the testing with the FAA merely accepting his data. I dont have an ASTM catalogue handy, but I can probably find the ASTM standards if you are interested that would apply to the G100 or any other unleaded avgas.
 
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