This crash will have consequences.

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  1. Archer Jack

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  2. Archer Jack

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    Roughly equivalent to OAN. Nuff said.
     
  3. LesGawlik

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    The problem is that we are running out of conspiracy theories. They are all turning out to be true.
     
  4. Archer Jack

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    Thanks for the warning. I'll be sure to check for Jewish lasers from outer space when I go outside.
     
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    Well, there may be one left.
     
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    I think you're right about that. As a relative newcomer to aviation forums, I noticed right away the discourse is a cut above what is normally found.
     
  7. Baked Potato

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    Unfortunately I've had to learn that there is no debating a conspiracy theorist. By definition, they can just keep refuting any evidence (that a reasonable person would accept) as false. Occum's Razor is meaningless to a conspiracy theorist.
    Doing it with a stranger on the internet is one thing, but seeing an otherwise intelligent loved one fall prey to this kind of confirmation bias that's enabled by the modern internet without any acknowledgement of their condition on their part is pretty disheartening.
     
  8. Warmi

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    This is all pretty much meaningless as we can’t account for various biases of people who do the scoring in the first place.
    It is the age-old problem of who watches the watchers … the only solution is pretty much absolute free speech for everyone and let people decide for themselves …
     
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  9. Baked Potato

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    I don't think there's a modern society where absolute free speech is allowed. I am not allowed to libel you to the extent that it causes you harm, for example.

    This ties directly to this thread because the "news" site referenced by the topic creator did exactly that to a company involved in the last election, and subsequently had to publicly issue an apology and retraction, and is now getting the crap sued out of them. Left unchecked, these things can cause real damage to our society.
     
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    I agree, it's been dead since 1871.
     
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    FIFY
     
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    Not as much damage as having some kind of designated truth priests caste … that never ends well.
    Even often quoted “yelling fire in a theater” is just not correct … it is and should be legal to do so , but if your speech results in harm to others ( as in case of libel you mentioned ) there will be consequences … but you need to first prove that there was some serious harm done , speech alone is NOT violence.
     
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    OK Here is a direct quote from Dave Messina, who is on the committee dealing with the FAA/Drone/RC Model "dialog".
    Dave and I were face to face as we are both working "Safety" at the Rhinebeck Jamboree this weekend.
    Dave says "As the rules are currently written, if you are a certificated pilot (PPL, SPL, etc, etc) and you get caught caught breaking a part 107 rule (drones and radio control models) you will probably lose your 107 cert and your pilot certification. "
    He also says that everyone except the FAA think this rule is insane. so far the FAA is NOT budging on this.
    He says he will get me the exact chapter and verse on this so I can post it here.
    And a picture from today's activities. As always, some amazing models and flying today.
    20220909_131038.jpg
     
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    Dave is saying, in effect, that part 107 violations have harsher penalties than part 91 violations. Smells like FUD to me. I think changing "probably" to "possibly" results in something far closer to reality, but that doesn't get people as wound up.

    Nauga,
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    Feel free to assume my gender, sexual identity, and pronouns.
     
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    In case it wasn't clear, I was being silly. I always assume peoples' basic "identities" because I do not see the logic of encouraging people with mental illness to believe that their mental illness is reality. I prefer helping people overcome, cope, and/or heal from mental illness and trauma. :)
     
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    Are you a psychiatrist?
     
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    I identify as a psychiatrist. :D







    Seriously, though, gender dysphoria is considered a mental illness by legitimate pyschiatrists. If you google simply "gender dysphoria", it comes up with many official medical sites labelling it as such. And this link is even "sympathetic" to that lifestyle and still qualifies it as a mental illness: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/conditions/gender-dysphoria
     
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    aero medical disagrees with you. Well… at least to the point they will issue a first class to people that don’t view themselves to be the same gender as their biological sex. In fact some holders of a first class medical carry more than one gender identity uniform because they never quite know how they will identify from day to day.

    Don’t worry though FAA aero med is on top of our collective safety ensuring everyone behind the front door is stable enough to fly.
     
  20. SkyChaser

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    Well, so far it's still included in the DSM, so it's still considered a mental illness officially, whether or not the FAA med branch includes it.
     
  21. Tarheelpilot

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    Just be careful how you address the captain during boarding. Things might not be what they seem.
     
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    From that source- I see:
    How do you reconcile that with this statement?
     
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    "plane hits severe turbulence with 75 aboard, all survive, 3 with minor injuries"

    vs

    "Boeing MAX jet plummets thousands of feet, injuring several, nearly killing everyone"

    Everyone claims to prefer the former, but somehow that will not get the clicks and the ad revenue traffic. The truth is people generally seem to prefer the latter.


    It's like the people who hate Dan Gryder but then watch all his videos
     
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    So what does that person’s drivers license say?
     
  25. Cap'n Jack

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    Who really cares? And why?
     
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    Law enforcement possibly. Hypothetical curiosity any way. FWIW I think the world has gone freaking nuts.
     
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    No idea. There are times when it’s better to read up on the latest FOM revision and avoid unnecessary conversation.
     
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    Yeah. I watched about three minutes of one video after he popped up in chatter here. The dude is a tool.
     
  29. Piperonca

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    I’m starting to think this is a real person you’re talking about.
     
  30. Tarheelpilot

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    Yes. It’s a real person. I wasn’t joking.

    actually. It’s real people. In the plural.
     
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    Trans World Airlines back in business?
     
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    Well. I must have come across as being humorous. It was not my intent.

    I have an opinion on the issue that I’m not going to share here because there is no way it can be discussed without devolving into political discussion. My intent in posting was to let people know they should not make assumptions and be careful how they addressed crew. It is truly a diverse group of people.
     
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    No worries—I think we can all agree that people deserve respect regardless of how they present. Particularly in a professional setting.
     
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    Thanks for sharing. I question your motivation for doing so, particularly in this thread on this forum, but thanks all the same.

    Nauga,
    who identifies
     
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    That source says that it is a mental illness. I reconcile that by treating people as people, not as some s3xually-oriented object. I won't go into "preferred pronouns", but I will refrain from calling them anything but their name to their face. You can treat someone nicely without reinforcing their issues. I don't usually change how I deal with people based on their biological gender, so it causes surprisingly little issues in my life.

    I'm going to respectfully bow out of this thread now, though, because I allowed myself to be drawn in way further into this discussion than I was initially planning and I don't think there is any benefit in my continued involvement. :)
     
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    forensic experts, for what should be obvious reasons
     
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    Yes, them. And a few medical people, too. And probably a few other exceptions. But the rest of us have no reason to concern ourselves. None of our business.
     
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    We need to be able to share common language and vocabulary - you know …. to be able to communicate.
     
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    sometimes people confuse I don't care with no one should care.
     
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