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It was @hardnope who suggested the attorney. It says guest right under his screen name. This was after multiple posts suggesting the AME route first. If @wellkow did, it would have been after the second page where I just stopped. That’s 2 not six. And the ratio of AME vs ATTY is about ten to one through this whole train wreck.
Regardless of who you ultimately get advice from, you’re going to have to listen to it. So far you’re not demonstrating that ability.
 
My policy is almost always defend reputation(s) vehemently.

YOU don't have a reputation. You are an anonymous account named for a long dead celebrity. What is there to defend ... why you didn't clear the Snake River?

I take you at face value when you say you are here to solve a problem. Focus on that. Dr Bruce is a professional in this field. Others have personal experience navigating the process. Listen to them and ignore trolls that want to derail your discussion. Otherwise I promise you will lose the attention of those who genuinely want to help and can.
 
YOU don't have a reputation. You are an anonymous account named for a long dead celebrity. What is there to defend ... why you didn't clear the Snake River?

I take you at face value when you say you are here to solve a problem. Focus on that. Dr Bruce is a professional in this field. Others have personal experience navigating the process. Listen to them and ignore trolls that want to derail your discussion. Otherwise I promise you will lose the attention of those who genuinely want to help and can.
I suspect that "anonymity" on the internet is a complete and total illusion. Love him or hate him, may I reference Senate hopeful Graham Platner's recent drama

I agree with everything else you said

I may not be the real McCoy, although, might I point out, that if neither the medical certificate nor flying in the military pan out, a large ramp in conjunction with a Harley-Davidson XR-750 or a Triumph Bonneville may be my only options for getting airborne
 
I may not be the real McCoy

Your namesake was serious business when I was in elementary school. We were transfixed by the Snake River attempt. The number of bones he had broken was right up there with the Bermuda Triangle, UFOs, and Sharks on our daily topics of discussion. We also memorized the Big Mac jingle.
 
Your namesake was serious business when I was in elementary school. We were transfixed by the Snake River attempt. The number of bones he had broken was right up there with the Bermuda Triangle, UFOs, and Sharks on our daily topics of discussion. We also memorized the Big Mac jingle.
That's funny that you memorized big Mac because I can still to this day do big mouth billy bass, and more importantly and related to the topic of McDonald's, "gimme back that filet o'fish, gimme that fish"
 
It was @hardnope who suggested the attorney. It says guest right under his screen name. This was after multiple posts suggesting the AME route first. If @wellkow did, it would have been after the second page where I just stopped. That’s 2 not six. And the ratio of AME vs ATTY is about ten to one through this whole train wreck.
Regardless of who you ultimately get advice from, you’re going to have to listen to it. So far you’re not demonstrating that ability.
You're absolutely correct, it was HardNope first, my mistake. But WellKnow promptly came in on May 8th and started touting the attorney route too. I suspect WallKnow was first supporter, or second pro-attorney advocate, however you want to see it. To be pedantic, I should say second-pro-attorney-FIRST advocate. I think most of everyone is pro attorney, but they are for saving that weapon for if/when it is needed, such for the individuals who get caught lying to the FAA. It's just, a majority or plurality of people feel you don't use an attorney UNLESS you need one. Whereas some people say get legal advice first. I am happy I am getting so many different opinions. Not because it's fun, but I can weigh everything and feel like I'm getting closer to the full picture.

It was more than just two guys who support it. And I had already reached out and perhaps even already put down the $400, and said I did, before the, maybe 2/3 or 3/4 of people came out against the attorney-decision. Almost like nobody wanted to come out against the pro attorney crowd until I had latched onto it and said I already had ponyed up the cash or at least until I reported I had already reached out

Like I said, it's not that important, but I am willing to rehash if we must. What's far more important is if everyone sees all the experts as valid, and the experts are giving varying instructions. I am confident I will eventually get to the bottom of it
 
The whole thread seems ridiculously complicated. I assumed it was a put on and still am not convinced it is real. If so, I certainly wish you the best. As for the criminal u said there was an open container arrest and one fir marijuana possession. then u said: I did recieve conviction as a child for an actual crime, which was driving without a license at age 14. I doubt they would care, but for all I know, they would. Other childhood crimes were charged, but none were felonious, and they did not result in convictions.
Certainly sounds criminal to me so perhaps you can understand my confusion. For the record you can’t libel or slander someone who is anonymous. Again, best of luck to u. Seems like a number of paths have been recommended here.
 
The whole thread seems ridiculously complicated. I assumed it was a put on and still am not convinced it is real. If so, I certainly wish you the best. As for the criminal u said there was an open container arrest and one fir marijuana possession. then u said: I did recieve conviction as a child for an actual crime, which was driving without a license at age 14. I doubt they would care, but for all I know, they would. Other childhood crimes were charged, but none were felonious, and they did not result in convictions.
Certainly sounds criminal to me so perhaps you can understand my confusion. For the record you can’t libel or slander someone who is anonymous. Again, best of luck to u. Seems like a number of paths have been recommended here.
I never said open container arrest I don't believe. Did I make a typo? I suspect I said " NO open container". Wouldn't open container logically almost always result in DUI? I am positive I said "NO DUI/DWI/OVI/OUI" in addition to I'm pretty sure stating that there were never open containers.

I never said "marinuana arrest". And marijuana is/was not a crime in that jurisdiction. Civil violation. A written ticket of a non-criminal nature. Not adjudicated as civilly liable either. Dismissed/innocent.

Yes at fourteen I was issued a written criminal summons. That's not an arrest. All the crimes were all misdemeanors with written summons. I have never been arrested nor booked.

So you admit the possibility you are were potentially behaving in a possibly libelous or slanderous way, except my anonymity eeks out that possibility in your mind? Okay. Sure man. Thanks for apologizing.

I can absolutely understand the confusion but your comment was pretty accusatory/damning and all your statements were absolute. If there was any confusion you would think that a kind adult who treats others with a presumption of innocence and charitable intent wouldn't slam someone like that when they didnt bother to read the legal facts, but instead ran with their own creative visions. I guess it would be unfair of me not to admit that my initial May 1st summarization of my legal/judicial history waw vague and open for interpretation, but I didn't want my initial post on May 1st to come off as trying to minimize everything and deflecting responsibility. The doctor shrinks are often just as imaginative and not legally precise as the general public but they don't typically appreciate that sort of precision and interpret that as minimization and trying to dodge responsibility and view it as mitigating/making-excuses. Probably doesn't often reflect well in evaluation notes (ask me how I know)

Ciao and good luck
 
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You're absolutely correct, it was HardNope first, my mistake. But WellKnow promptly came in on May 8th and started touting the attorney route too. I suspect WallKnow was first supporter, or second pro-attorney advocate, however you want to see it.
OK, I have now read the whole thing - 3 - @hardnope, @wellknow and @George S (who in a subsequent post recommended the Denver AME). I'll cut you some slack for being new to POA and therefore not versed in who to listen to about what. Having said that the first 5 + replies were all "consult an AME".
If you want to navigate this process you'll need to do three thins;
- Figure out who to listen to get help
- Get that help
- Follow the advice given.
So far you're not doing well on any of those. Several of those who can give that help are on this forum. (e.g. HIMS AME's, or AME's experienced in complex cases). You're not making any of them interested in working with you.
You seem like a nice person, but you need to take a step back and figure out if you can follow the advice given you by someone like Dr. Bruce or one of his peers. Spending the $$ to make it happen is only part of the answer. Following the advice to the letter is the other. $$ are just being wasted if you can't do the second part.
FYI, here's how you can tell a guest poster. Generally those are folks that want to ask medical questions without revealing who they are. A bit more anonymous than a screen name.
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OK, I have now read the whole thing - 3 - @hardnope, @wellknow and @George S (who in a subsequent post recommended the Denver AME). I'll cut you some slack for being new to POA and therefore not versed in who to listen to about what. Having said that the first 5 + replies were all "consult an AME".
If you want to navigate this process you'll need to do three thins;
- Figure out who to listen to get help
- Get that help
- Follow the advice given.
So far you're not doing well on any of those. Several of those who can give that help are on this forum. (e.g. HIMS AME's, or AME's experienced in complex cases). You're not making any of them interested in working with you.
You seem like a nice person, but you need to take a step back and figure out if you can follow the advice given you by someone like Dr. Bruce or one of his peers. Spending the $$ to make it happen is only part of the answer. Following the advice to the letter is the other. $$ are just being wasted if you can't do the second part.
FYI, here's how you can tell a guest poster. Generally those are folks that want to ask medical questions without revealing who they are. A bit more anonymous than a screen name.
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Does it say 'Guest' under my name? I guess Guest is just a way to obfuscate and hide your PoA account.

I'm pretty sure a few weeks ago I may have counted six people but I'm not interested in arguing further unless you really insist. That's like arguing about how loud the crowd size was at my party.

I will probably try to talk to consult with an AME or potentially ask some more people before talking to the AME thus making AME step 2 instead of step 1. TBD. To be as clear as possible, I am very limited on bandwidth right now so I may not sprint over to the AME immediately, although I am about to go to Colorado so perhaps I should try to do that 30 minute $200 consultation then pause. I still need to look at some flowcharts or something for how HIMS normally works and learn more about it. I will be googling. Does that make me look bad for wanting to cool down a little bit? Sorry, I just want to digest my food, so to speak. This could all get very overwhelming very quickly. I am firing on all cylinders with a bunch of other responsibilities right now.

I cannot remember if I brought it up or not, but I am concerned that if as an active duty servicemember, I need to start going to AA and doing drug testing every week for the FAA medical certificate, how I balance that with my active duty military career and tell my chain of command that I am doing AA for the FAA even though I'm not an alcoholic and have barely ever drank alcohol in my whole life. Also, if I apply for a military pilot contract and the digital systems see that I was recently in Alcoholics Anonymous, that may automatically disqualify me for military aviation.

I have fifty other logical and important questions that I want to research before I dive full into this with the future expectation of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of my time.

I don't want to project any other facade than my immense gratitude for all the help. But at every step more questions are generated than answered so realistically this will be an even longer process than I thought.
 
I never said open container arrest I don't believe. Did I make a typo? I suspect I said " NO open container". Wouldn't open container logically almost always result in DUI? I am positive I said "NO DUI/DWI/OVI/OUI" in addition to I'm pretty sure stating that there were never open containers.

I never said "marinuana arrest". And marijuana is/was not a crime in that jurisdiction. Civil violation. A written ticket of a non-criminal nature. Not adjudicated as civilly liable either. Dismissed/innocent.

Yes at fourteen I was issued a written criminal summons. That's not an arrest. All the crimes were all misdemeanors with written summons. I have never been arrested nor booked.

So you admit the possibility you are were potentially behaving in a possibly libelous or slanderous way, except my anonymity eeks out that possibility in your mind? Okay. Sure man. Thanks for apologizing.

I can absolutely understand the confusion but your comment was pretty accusatory/damning and all your statements were absolute. If there was any confusion you would think that a kind adult who treats others with a presumption of innocence and charitable intent wouldn't slam someone like that when they didnt bother to read the legal facts, but instead ran with their own creative visions. I guess it would be unfair of me not to admit that my initial May 1st summarization of my legal/judicial history waw vague and open for interpretation, but I didn't want my initial post on May 1st to come off as trying to minimize everything and deflecting responsibility. The doctor shrinks are often just as imaginative and not legally precise as the general public but they don't typically appreciate that sort of precision and interpret that as minimization and trying to dodge responsibility and view it as mitigating/making-excuses. Probably doesn't often reflect well in evaluation notes (ask me how I know)

Ciao and good luck
Ok. so they were criminal but also not criminal. At this stage we are through the looking glass and i am out
 
Ok. so they were criminal but also not criminal. At this stage we are through the looking glass and i am out
My childhood marijuana violation/citation was not a criminal charge, and even if it had resulted in a civilly-liable/responsible adjudication, that wouldn't be a criminal conviction, because it's not a crime. Not everything illegal is a crime. Have you ever in your life been pulled over and issued a written or printed ticket/citation for going too fast in an automobile or boat? Unless it was truly egregious rate of speed, if you paid it or were found liable in a courtroom, that's not still not crime. Hopefully you already know this? Well, marijuana was the same way. Obviously there is such a thing as criminal speeding. Traffic crimes are very real (my crime I will address later is a traffic crime).

I know you are probably older than me, but my story is a result that the state had already legalized marijuana for adults. I was a child, so I was cited with childhood-possesion-of-marijauna, which is not a crime. If I was twenty one, I could've had marijuana, but since I was a child, it was illegal to have marijuana without a medical prescription (and technically the state might/might've mandated that any marijuana that a person posses be from a licensed dealer, although I'm guessing possesion of marijuana procured from an unlicensed individual is a seldom enforced detail. Selling it as an unlicensed  seller may be enforced more commonly, but that doesn't apply to me. Either way, I was never given a hard time about  where the marijuana was sourced from. I don't think they waste their time on that even though that may technically be a separare offense they could hit someone with.) In a different more conservative jurisdiction, or anywhere in America decades ago, I'm certain that incident would've been a criminal charge, and likely an arrest too. But, I'm not that old

To pivot to the crime: Driving without a license is a crime. I was convicted of driving without a license. I still was not arrested for either event. I've never been arrested. Maybe this is hard for some people to understand but any attorneys would back me up on this I suspect (I assume you are not an attorney).

I don't think anyone can ever be arrested for civil violations alone. As for my criminal incident, I suspect that they may or may not have the discretion to arrest, or perhaps for minor criminal offense(s) they are discouraged or straight up not authorized to arrest for minor crime(s) alone. Unsure. Either way I've never been arrested. When someone is cited criminally without an arrest it is known as a criminal summons, although I think every civil ticket is technically a civil summons. Lawsuits and subpoenas and jury notifications are all summonses too I suspect
 
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Well, marijuana was the same way. I know you are probably older than me, but the state had legalized marijuana for adults. I was a child, so I was cited with childhood-possesion-of-marijauna, which is not a crime.

State law is immaterial; you are dealing with the Federal Aviation Administration, and possession of marijuana was and is a federal crime.
 
State law is immaterial; you are dealing with the Federal Aviation Administration, and possession of marijuana was and is a federal crime.
What happens to prior convictions when/if the promised Federal decriminalization occurs?
 
State law is immaterial; you are dealing with the Federal Aviation Administration, and possession of marijuana was and is a federal crime.
That is irreverent in terms of the fact that I have never been charged with a substance-abuse-crime. If 1811 US Marshals or 1811 DEA agents had magically been teleported to right there that night could they have collared me? I'm not sure but possibly technically they could've, although unless I was transporting across state or international lines, boarding a plane, in a federal building or military base, or happened to be transporting weapons of mass destruction or trafficking humans or something far worse while-in-possesion-of-marijuana they probably have directives or rules preventing them from arresting and/or charging, I would speculate

If I had hypothetically been in possesion of two pounds of mariajuana that night, regardless of the US marshals or local/state law enforcement, it would've been a state and/or federal crime, but obviously I didn't have a large amount of marijuana that night.

In April 2026 the Federal government has actually finally officially legalized medical marijauna depending on the situation, something that was finally achieved at direction of Biden and Trump (partially reclassified/scheduled to Schedule III down from being a fully Schedule I). But I’ve never had a script nor card for medical marijuana so that is mostly irrelevant to my situation although it may indicate slowly softening attitudes. Obviously the FAA probably would not make this thebiggest uphill climb ever if all I had was some ancient marijauna history, but given my situation, everything cumulatively, I'm certain it will be difficult.

I'm guessing the FAA would hypothetically treat drinking heavily and a voluntary admission to alcohol rehab seriously too, but that's not criminal at all in any American jurisdiction if it involves no vehicles or negligence or fraud. So whether or not it is criminal really isn't relevant I suspect. The substance component of the issue is marijuana + alcohol, how much, and how recently, I'm guessing. Actually, maybe I'm wrong. Arkansas has tens and tens of dry counties! Maybe they can charge you with a crime there for having a sealed bottle. Lol

What happens to prior convictions when/if the promised Federal decriminalization occurs?
Some argue the promised decriminalization already occurred. April 23 2026. Really they never decriminalized. They went a step further and legalized it, although only partially legalized it. As far as I know no decriminalization happened, they kind of skipped that step and turned it up to ten immrdiately, although only on some medicinal.

Wasn't Pres Trump pardoning and/or commuting people?

They have directives for this kind of stuff. But regardless, officially ostensibly de jure any recreational marijuana use over 0.3% THC is continuing to remain illegal federally although enforcement is probably not a huge priority in terms of individuals consuming small amounts of marijuana, I suspect.

I suspect that full rescheduling and federal recreational decriminalization and/or legalization and regulation is coming and it will be interesting to see what they do. I suspect that unlike 1975 or 1995, there aren't that many people remaining federally incarcared for small-time-marijuana-possesion-alone. Although maybe they can issue a blanket pardon and/or amnesty to have the felonies removed from their record for those among us who still have federal marijuana crimes in their records. It's kind of an interesting topic, and I'm by no means the authority on it nor qualified to have a valuable opinion so please take me with a grain of salt

I actually have 0 interest in touching marijuana and I suspect it is a huge waste of time & money to consume marijuana, but maybe it should be legal for adults to consume in the comfort of their home and curtilage. I have no hard opinion formed on legality or lack thereof
 
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In April 2026 the Federal government has actually finally officially legalized medical marijauna depending on the situation
No, they didn't. They rescheduled it, providing a framework for future approval of it for medical use or research. Regardless, it the FAA's eyes it's a dangerous narcotic and if there's any mention of it in your history they'll make you prove that you're not a dangerous-to-society dope fiend. Not saying it's right, in fact it's quite absurd, but it's the way it is.
given my situation, everything cumulatively, I'm certain it will be difficult.
Given your argumentative attitude, I too am certain it will be difficult.
 
It's been a month since you initially posted and, it seems, you are no closer to getting you medical than you were a month ago.

A little under two years ago when I set out to get my medical, I read as many threads to learn what would be required. I reached out to Dr. Chein in a succinctly worded query reviewing my history in detail, and, asking him his recommendations, "Did I have a reasonable chance at an SI, or should I go the sport pilot route." Fortunately, I didn't have HIMS or legal issues, but still needed an SI. A "garden variety" medical SI is still an arduous task, given the fickle nature of the FAA. I did every lab, test and consult Dr. Chien recommended, then flew out for an exam with him. Approximately 4 months after submission an SI was granted without any difficulty.


If you want to succeed, you need to know the rules of the game and you need to play by them. Your mom may have told you that you're special, but to the FAA, you are not. There are plenty of old threads on POA that cover your issues as well clear instruction from Dr. Chien.

At this point, your posts are not helping you achieve your goal. You've been told the rules of the game by experts in the field. You will have to be in a monitored testing program and you will need a full HIMS exam. Whether or not you engage in a little keyboard warfare with other posters-this doesn't get you any closer to your goal. Until you start the monitoring program/HIMS consult, the clock doesn't start. Feel free to respond or not respond, but it won't help you achieve your goal...
 
No, they didn't. They rescheduled it, providing a framework for future approval of it for medical use or research. Regardless, it the FAA's eyes it's a dangerous narcotic and if there's any mention of it in your history they'll make you prove that you're not a dangerous-to-society dope fiend. Not saying it's right, in fact it's quite absurd, but it's the way it is.

Given your argumentative attitude, I too am certain it will be difficult.
I was about to say that I suspect you are correct & my mistake but Google says

"On April 23, 2026, the Department of Justice and the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) issued a landmark order that immediately moved two specific categories of cannabis from Schedule I to Schedule III of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA)

A formal, expedited DEA administrative hearing will begin on June 29, 2026. This hearing will determine whether the rescheduling to Schedule III should be expanded to include all marijuana products, including adult-use cannabis."

sounds like I might've been right on the money to begin with

Whether or not I will ultimately arguably agree with the execution is irrelevant, and none of my opinions really matter that much, because the rules are the rules, but for giggles, I actually think the premise of the FAA requiring I perform marijuana and alcohol testing is entirely reasonable. I'm not complaining about that simple fact-of-life. I am happy they take safety seriously. Please don't take me delving into marijuana litigation and policy as trivializing the dangers of substance abusers in the air. I look forward to the opportunity to show that I do not have a substance abuse problem.
 
It's been a month since you initially posted and, it seems, you are no closer to getting you medical than you were a month ago.

A little under two years ago when I set out to get my medical, I read as many threads to learn what would be required. I reached out to Dr. Chein in a succinctly worded query reviewing my history in detail, and, asking him his recommendations, "Did I have a reasonable chance at an SI, or should I go the sport pilot route." Fortunately, I didn't have HIMS or legal issues, but still needed an SI. A "garden variety" medical SI is still an arduous task, given the fickle nature of the FAA. I did every lab, test and consult Dr. Chien recommended, then flew out for an exam with him. Approximately 4 months after submission an SI was granted without any difficulty.


If you want to succeed, you need to know the rules of the game and you need to play by them. Your mom may have told you that you're special, but to the FAA, you are not. There are plenty of old threads on POA that cover your issues as well clear instruction from Dr. Chien.

At this point, your posts are not helping you achieve your goal. You've been told the rules of the game by experts in the field. You will have to be in a monitored testing program and you will need a full HIMS exam. Whether or not you engage in a little keyboard warfare with other posters-this doesn't get you any closer to your goal. Until you start the monitoring program/HIMS consult, the clock doesn't start. Feel free to respond or not respond, but it won't help you achieve your goal...
I have to go google what SI is. I may be back
 
It’s a schedule III narcotic. they did not legalize it. way too absurd not to be a troll. entertaining but has crossed over. i still maintain it’s crashnburn
 
It’s a schedule III narcotic. they did not legalize it. way too absurd not to be a troll. entertaining but has crossed over. i still maintain it’s crashnburn
I swear I think my 13 year old niece has better reading comprehension than a lot of you guys.

You know scripts for Schedule III drugs are frequently written by doctors, nurse practitioners, dentists, and veterinarians

It's on schedule III and schedule I. Both simultaneously. Similar to how cocaine has been on both for...decades... since forever. Not sure how long cocaine has been on both. I suspect always. Marijuana wasn't schedule III until April 23 2026. It was I only until April 23

I'm sure some of you are gonna assume that I must think/be-arguing it's okay to smoke weed because I'm iterating it's now on schedule III and de jure legal for some medicinal uses. We got a lot of braniacs in here who like to run with things

Oh, and pretty much everyone nowadays will agree marijuana is not a narcotic. There's some historical baggage there.
 
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I will go on a bit of a tangent here, but while you're right that general public and political winds may be favoring slightly loosening pot rules, this does not appear to be the case within the field of medicine. Many physicians, myself included, see "medical marijuana" as mostly a political construct by folks pro marijuana to get there drug of choice legalized.

There are a few true evidence based medical conditions for which marijuana is considered a legitimate treatment. It's medical indications are really not well known and randomized study evidence does not support the use of marijuana for acute pain, insomnia, anxiety disorders, depression, PTSD, Parkinson disease, Alzheimer disease, or cancer treatment (outside of treating severe nausea/vomiting.). And almost a third of patients using cannabis for medical purposes met criteria for cannabis use disorder in a meta-analysis of observational studies. And, on a more ominous note, daily inhaled cannabis use was associated with increased cardiovascular risk.

FDA as of yet has not approved marijuana for any medical indication.

The libertarian tendency in me says you can do what you want. But for the foreseeable future, the FAA is going to take a dim view of pot. Even if it becomes unscheduled and completely legal it will likely stay on as a "no fly" drug.

Again, pontificating on which schedule pot is, well, is this helping you get your medical? Sure, I'm posting tangentially as well. The difference is I was able to play the game and get my medical.

So now I'm allowed to pontificate...
 
Legalization of pot may make sense from a legal perspective. If our culture has collectively decided it should acceptable to consume, then enforcement is not practical. We learned the same thing with alcohol during prohibition. The social cost of prohibition is not worth the benefit.

But let's not mince words. Cannabis is a dangerous substance, especially for young people. 30% of regular users develop a usage disorder. Many of those experience mental illness such as psychosis when they attempt to quit. Some of them develop Schizephrenia and never recover. Others develop depression and suicidal ideation, and some kill themselves. Ask any psychiatrist what they are seeing.

The medical marijuana movement is built on a reckless lie for the purpose of backdoor recreational legalization. We allow corporations such as Seagrams, RJ Reynolds, and Bally's to build "clinics", slap a green cross on them, and sell an addictive substance as "medicine". It is no different than 150 years ago when whiskey and moonshine could be bottled as an elixir or snake oil and sold by fake doctors on street corners, or during prohibition when whiskey could be prescribed for medicinal purposes.
 
I will go on a bit of a tangent here, but while you're right that general public and political winds may be favoring slightly loosening pot rules, this does not appear to be the case within the field of medicine. Many physicians, myself included, see "medical marijuana" as mostly a political construct by folks pro marijuana to get there drug of choice legalized.

There are a few true evidence based medical conditions for which marijuana is considered a legitimate treatment. It's medical indications are really not well known and randomized study evidence does not support the use of marijuana for acute pain, insomnia, anxiety disorders, depression, PTSD, Parkinson disease, Alzheimer disease, or cancer treatment (outside of treating severe nausea/vomiting.). And almost a third of patients using cannabis for medical purposes met criteria for cannabis use disorder in a meta-analysis of observational studies. And, on a more ominous note, daily inhaled cannabis use was associated with increased cardiovascular risk.

FDA as of yet has not approved marijuana for any medical indication.

The libertarian tendency in me says you can do what you want. But for the foreseeable future, the FAA is going to take a dim view of pot. Even if it becomes unscheduled and completely legal it will likely stay on as a "no fly" drug.

Again, pontificating on which schedule pot is, well, is this helping you get your medical? Sure, I'm posting tangentially as well. The difference is I was able to play the game and get my medical.

So now I'm allowed to pontificate...
I'm OK with all kinds of substances being legal for adult consumption, and also for zero tolerance for same for anyone flying an airplane.
I don't even drink, btw.
 
I think the government is happier having sedated citizens. Before legal weed it was oxycontin. when media realized how dangerous oxy was gradually every state loosened pot regulations.
 
I will go on a bit of a tangent here, but while you're right that general public and political winds may be favoring slightly loosening pot rules, this does not appear to be the case within the field of medicine. Many physicians, myself included, see "medical marijuana" as mostly a political construct by folks pro marijuana to get there drug of choice legalized.

There are a few true evidence based medical conditions for which marijuana is considered a legitimate treatment. It's medical indications are really not well known and randomized study evidence does not support the use of marijuana for acute pain, insomnia, anxiety disorders, depression, PTSD, Parkinson disease, Alzheimer disease, or cancer treatment (outside of treating severe nausea/vomiting.). And almost a third of patients using cannabis for medical purposes met criteria for cannabis use disorder in a meta-analysis of observational studies. And, on a more ominous note, daily inhaled cannabis use was associated with increased cardiovascular risk.

FDA as of yet has not approved marijuana for any medical indication.

The libertarian tendency in me says you can do what you want. But for the foreseeable future, the FAA is going to take a dim view of pot. Even if it becomes unscheduled and completely legal it will likely stay on as a "no fly" drug.

Again, pontificating on which schedule pot is, well, is this helping you get your medical? Sure, I'm posting tangentially as well. The difference is I was able to play the game and get my medical.

So now I'm allowed to pontificate...
I didn't really decide to zero in on marijuana and bring that topic up, but I suppose I did raise the topic of marijuana scheduling.
Up until now, 90% of my comments on the marijuana topic have been legal/regulatory in nature. My one response to WellKnow about "narcotic" being an exception. But you guys are wading more into actual medical/health and mental consequences. Which I welcome! Talk about whatever you want; it's all interesting.

Some might argue that in some super minor way, marijuana legalization could soften some attitudes and help me in a very negligble way. I'm not making that argument; I'm saying maybe there is a slim possibility it could slightly lessen the stigma against my medical certificate. Really, my marijuana history is ancient and not very large, although maybe they will treat it as though it's the biggest deal ever. My military record says I have only smoked marijuana 34 times, only as a child.

When will tractor-trailer drivers, aviators, sea captains, LEOs and military combatants be allowed to smoke marijuana during leave and liberty? Not any time soon, I suspect. Maybe never. I don't feel any need to do that. If they allow that, it will probably drive our wages down, since potheads everywhere will feel welcome to attempt to enter our professions, lol.

Most medications are approved at the federal level by the FDA, and states cannot really have much say in the matter, typically, to my knowledge, but the Trump admin/DEA just federally legalized medical marijuana, on a case-by-case basis, based on whether or not medical marijuana is already legal in a given locality/state. I guess we could say, medical marijuana is federally legal de jure recently for the first-time-ever, but if there is a state with no state-legal medical marijuana, there is no mechanism to federally-legally consume medical marijuana in such state; it would be illegal in the eyes of the state AND illegal in the eyes of federal govt at this moment. That is bizarre and something that has probably never been done before in medical law/regulation in the USA, I suspect. But it was an ingenious way to make it legal federally but also give states the freedom to keep it illegal if such a state chooses, and it preserves the state-state medical marijuana regulatory organizations and mechanisms. If they ever transition medical marijuana to being wholly federally legally in the traditional FDA mechanism used for all other medications that we use in this country, it will be a huge project, and of course the FDA has to determine it is a medically useful and safe substance before any of that can happen unless they want to really bend the rules in a bizarre way or totall flip the script on how that works (no pun intended). I hope I am speaking in a way that is substantively true and mostly accurate. Of course, with Covid we saw the FDA bend the rules for medically approving things

My endorsement or lack thereof of your analysis of medical-legal marijuana policy and your analysis of marijuana's effect on humans is pretty irrelevant; You're a professional, and I'm not. Your opinion matters, mine does not. But for what it's worth, I totally agree 100%; I think 95% of the time or more, medical marijuana is a total joke. Maybe it's always a joke. I have no idea. I suspect the potential benefits of marijuana for small groups of people do not necessitate having it be a readily available medication in an almost-OTC fashion everywhere, and having 10 to 30% of our population using THC regularly. I often say that maybe the prohibition crowd ~90+ years ago might've been onto something, and I think the same thing about abstaining from marijuana also, but those ships have sailed, so if people want to drink and smoke in their homes, then I guess there is probably nothing we can do about preventing it, and maybe regulation and legalization are the ethical policies to have. I have no idea what is morally right or wrong on that subject. Medical marijuana was possibly a semi-covert, obfuscating stepping stone on the path to eventual complete recreational legalization.

One thing I am 99% certain of. Repeatedly inhaling combustion/smoke is not good for humans. Calling anything inhaled/administered via that method "medicinal", in the 21st century, is absolutely retarded, and anyone with a medical degree who has advocated for medically consuming marijuana in that manner is probably a total clown, and gives the profession a bad name
 
It is no different than 150 years ago when whiskey and moonshine could be bottled as an elixir or snake oil and sold by fake doctors on street corners, or during prohibition when whiskey could be prescribed for medicinal purposes.
I suspect the historians would argue you have watched too many Westerns. If you want to talk about the questionable or in-retrospect-maybe-not-so-safe medical practices of the 19th century, you could talk about widespread over the counter availability of things like tincture of opium (laudanum).

I actually wish that we lived in a utopia where all medication, perhaps even laudanum or pharmaceutical cocaine, was available over the counter, so people could stockpile medicine for wilderness use(s), but obviously, people are self-centered, irresponsible, and looking to have fun and achieve a high, and/or make money through unethical activities, so this is not possible in society.

I'm not sure how old you are, but I suspect the psych drug drama that is ongoing today, or was even more outrageous just a decade or two ago, or the psych drug drama of even earlier decades, such as willy-nilly valium, barbiturates, and Quaalude prescription, is far more outrageous than what people were doing in the 19th century and before.
Or the government forcing people to take LSD against their will: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MKUltra
Or the government withholding syphilis treatment for black Americans for decades without their knowledge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study
All are, in my opinion, much more outrageous than a few snake oil salesmen or 19th-century ethyl alcohol concoctions to help babies sleep or tincture-of-opium-OTC. People in the 20th and 21st centuries have a lot less possible excuses, and know/knew better.

One very tangential point, I used to be under the impression that some pharmaceutical manufacturers intentionally put degradants and/or destabilizers in their medication for safety reasons to intentionally make prescription drugs lose their potency after the expiration date. I could've sworn I'd even seen semi-reliable sources make that case. But allegedly, maybe that is not a real thing that ever happens.
 
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Likewise, @KE5BM was among those who argued against speaking with an attorney before speaking with an AME. That was on May 10 KE5BM said that. Yet here he is liking your comment where you praise the advice of the attorney, (although you totally and completely falsified the advice of the attorney). That strikes me as somewhat inconsistent, although it does nothing to change my positive opinion of KE5BM. He has been very generous also, and he also has had a very profound and respectable career that I wish I knew more about, because it is super cool. Perhaps another example of someone I should attempt to emulate.
To be perfectly clear, I didn't "like" the comment from WellKnow for his attorney advice - I "liked" it due to his observation that this conversation is patently absurd. Also, by my reading of his comment he was not praising the attorney who is advising you to spend tens of thousands of dollars. Just my take.

I appreciate the kind words that followed. If you want to emulate me as you suggested, start by not arguing with and insulting a group of people who have many, many years' more experience in a field you know next to nothing about. More importantly, don't feed the trolls.
 
To be perfectly clear, I didn't "like" the comment from WellKnow for his attorney advice - I "liked" it due to his observation that this conversation is patently absurd. Also, by my reading of his comment he was not praising the attorney who is advising you to spend tens of thousands of dollars. Just my take.

I appreciate the kind words that followed. If you want to emulate me as you suggested, start by not arguing with and insulting a group of people who have many, many years' more experience in a field you know next to nothing about. More importantly, don't feed the trolls.
Praise might be a strong word but WellKnow's wording was "one of the best aviation lawyers in the business." That's what he said, in the comment you are referencing. No attorney advised me to spend thousands. The only attorney we have ever spoken about in detail, said it might be smart to just give up on the whole process now because if I go forward, it will take tens of thousands of dollars, and I may fail after spending tens of thousands, but either way, win or lose, to go all the way to the application would cost tens of thousands. (there are NOT multiple different attorneys involved in this discussion. Only the one attorney)

Wellknow also advocated for using an attorney, much earlier, on May 8th, and the day after, on May 9th, he talked about the benefits of using that same particular firm

Ask 15 different old guys, get 15 different answers. Very little of the things I have advocated are premises or ideas I have organically developed; they came from established pilots.

I have made it very clear I appreciate everyone's input. No one is under any obligation to comment, and I tremendously appreciate any advice or opinions, with the exception of just saying things about my history that are totally untrue, as was done, I believe, accidentally by mistake. After what he said subsequently, I don't think he had malicious intent.
 
I think the government is happier having sedated citizens. Before legal weed it was oxycontin. when media realized how dangerous oxy was gradually every state loosened pot regulations.
Some people might find this too cynical, or conversely, they may feel cynical about what you said. But there may be some truth to this, I have no idea.

May be pretty hard to lead a revolution when you're stoned
 
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