Should I become a CFI?

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What's the demand like (in the U.S.) for a taildragger instructor? I got my private in my Luscombe and have around 380 hours in it. Also, I enjoy teaching (in general). I would consider relocating. I would still need my commercial and CFI ratings, but I suspect that wouldn't be too expensive since I already have a plane. Is this something I should consider or would it not be worth it?
 
IF you actually instruct, you will learn more about flying than you ever believed. Students will come up with ways to screw up that you would NEVER dream of. :D

But just getting your CFI is not a big step.

As for market for tailwheel instructors, there are some, but not a huge number of openings.
 
Go for it! I don’t think you’ll have a ton of business teaching in your own airplane, but you’ll be able to charge for the airplane and instruction which adds up quite a bit compared to teaching at a school or club where you would only get paid for your time and not the airplane. Insurance is a concern but you can also focus on endorsements, flight reviews, etc vs brand new students who would need to solo in your airplane.
 
What's the demand like (in the U.S.) for a taildragger instructor? I got my private in my Luscombe and have around 380 hours in it. Also, I enjoy teaching (in general). I would consider relocating. I would still need my commercial and CFI ratings, but I suspect that wouldn't be too expensive since I already have a plane. Is this something I should consider or would it not be worth it?
If the goal is to make a standalone living, there's no significant means to make a lucrative living with that kind of work (add formation, acro, etc). It's relegated to a side hustle/hobby money. I go as far as to say the same for primary civilian flight training, which has a much higher market. In my latest post mil job research, sim jobs that don't even require a medical have better hours and pay better for instructors, and I can hold a class 1 mind you. It's pitiful as I love flight instructing, but I value my time more than market rate for piston flight instruction.

As far as the merits of instruction, of course it's of value, and I say that as a career military instructor. Absolutely makes you a better pilot. If you're trying to defray the cost of tailwheel ownership by instructing, I don't think it pencils out, the premium for revenue work insurance on taildraggers is high. Luscombe should be pretty cheap to own in relative terms, especially if you're willing to go liability only and not pursue revenue work with it.
 
Is this something I should consider or would it not be worth it?
If you're thinking of instructing in your own plane, prepare for the sticker shock of your new insurance policy.
Students will come up with ways to screw up that you would NEVER dream of. :D
That's what my CFI told me - "I like flying with you. You never make the same mistake twice, you always come up with a new way to kill me".
 
I got my CFI rating in my 50s when I was considering what to do later when I retired from full time work in broadcasting. It turned out to be a good decision. I left television in 2010 and have been instructing before that and ever since. Much less this year, as an independent CFI, but still have a few students and some flight reviews from time to time..
 
Problem with offering taildragger endorsements is that most CFI have a tiny, slow trainer like a cub. My taildragger is a 4 place 200hp airplane.... are the skills really that transferable? I'd rather pay for time in say a 170 or Stinson 108... something closer to what I will be flying.
 
As stated above, this is a side hobby - not an income I can pay rent with type of work.

You'll need to hook up with flight school that has a tail dragger for instruction. Narrows things down a bit. And, you'll probably teach tail dragging as well as conventional in a Skyhawk, because that's what the flight school is probably going to want you to do.

Do you have your instrument? If not, I'd suggest getting that first.

Good luck!
 
You'll need to hook up with flight school that has a tail dragger for instruction. Narrows things down a bit.
I think it narrows it down A LOT. I am only aware of one flight school in our state that offers tailwheel instruction. There is an independent CFI nearby who is a light sport instructor. My former flight school did offer tailwheel endorsements in a Stearman, but that was pretty expensive.
 
Specialized instruction is a niche space. The market size for taildragger instruction is small compared to other specialty instruction markets. Even if taildragger is secondary to aerobatic instruction, that’s still a small space.

If the goal is improve your knowledge base and experience vs your bank account, the rating is worth it.
 
I think my CFI has opened more doors, some of them peculiar and unexpected, for flying than any of my other ratings. Plus whichever aspect of flying you enjoy enough to keep current in, well, now you can impart that wisdom to others :) Keeping the card current is trivial, but the skills are another matter.

For example, I don't teach primary, I don't teach commercial, but I love IFR flying and ME flying so I teach those and love doing so. Other more stick-and-rudder minded CFIs are probably the reverse.

I try not to teach anything I suck at or don't like doing. If that leaves you with anything to teach, yeah, get the CFI rating. "can't hurt" :)
 
Id be happy to find a flight school that allows grass landings. within 50 miles of my home there are 6 concrete runways... over two dozen grass strips.

Unless landing on grass and conventional landing gear training becomes part of the ACS a school has ZERO interest in the liability.

Heck do 141s even teach you how to use the gas pumps??
 
If you are a CFI who can PIC a taildragger, you can give a flight review in anything from a J-3 to a Staggerwing, from a Stearmam to a T-6. Just the possibility that someone might ask for an hour of dual in the cool planes that have the little wheel where it belongs would make the decision for me. I say go get your flight instructor certificate.
 
Heck do 141s even teach you how to use the gas pumps??

I never operated a self-serve pump until I bought my own airplane, and my training was Part 61. The flight school didn't care where we landed their planes, though - private grass strips, fly-in on a frozen lake, book a trainer overnight and take it out of town, whatever.
 
I think my CFI has opened more doors, some of them peculiar and unexpected, for flying than any of my other ratings.

That is absolutely my experience as well. It's actually why I originally got my CFI. I had a boss (in a non-flying job, but he was a pilot as well) tell me exactly that - if I really wanted to open up doors in aviation, get my CFI. So I did, and it has, more than I ever would have thought possible. When I got it, I never intended to do much other than occasional flight reviews and such, but then the opportunities kept coming and now I do fly full-time.

Best choice I ever made.
 
...um, CFI is the boilerplate way for people to get to build time and go to the airlines. You guys are not saying anything novel with the "cfi opens doors" bit. It's ostensibly the reason it pays so poorly, everybody uses it as a door mat.

This is about the merits of specialty instruction, which as the OP should figure out by now, if there is no additional credential beyond an endorsement, it ain't worth much to anyone in the aggregate.

I think the OP should clarify what his goal is. Is he trying to get hobby money, or trying to replace a primary source of income? Given the person still has to go through CPL, the post 2020 inflation has made that cost proposition no longer as simple on the opportunity cost front, if the goal is merely hobby money. It's a fair question compared to pre 2010 inflation adjusted costs to get to CFI.
 
...um, CFI is the boilerplate way for people to get to build time and go to the airlines. You guys are not saying anything novel with the "cfi opens doors" bit. It's ostensibly the reason it pays so poorly, everybody uses it as a door mat.
No, I'm saying that as a hobby pilot, getting my CFI opened up so many doors to then be a hobby CFI, which was always my intent. Then that hobby CFI-ing led to lots of opportunities for flying new and interesting airplanes as an independent, but still hobby CFI. Which led to lots of opportunities for hobby contract piloting. I stayed at this hobby-level of CFI and piloting for about a decade, and was perfectly happy with that as the end result. Then my current position came available, I got hired, and piloting is now my day job (and CFI-ing is STILL a hobby).

I've flown 61 different models of airplanes at this point, and I'd have to say that at least 40, maybe 45 of these were a direct result of me becoming a CFI. As someone who finds flying new airplanes to be a exciting, interesting and valuable end result in itself, it was completely worth it to me even if I never went professional.

And as far as pay, yes, pay at flight schools is generally (but not always) terrible. But as an independent "hobby" CFI, $60-100 an hour in your spare time isn't bad pocket change.
 
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FYI if you are doing dual only instructing in a tailwheel aircraft, the insurance bite may be less than you think.s

Solo adds a couple of zeros to the price. :)
 
And as far as pay, yes, pay at flight schools is generally (but not always) terrible. But as an independent "hobby" CFI, $60-100 an hour in your spare time isn't bad pocket change.
I was paid $30/hour at the local flight school for ground and air instruction. I was part time but had dental insurance paid by the company. Students paid $60/hour, and the company kept half.

Now independent, I charge $50/hour ground and air and do not have to share it with the FBO. I have been allowed to keep my dental insurance by paying the entire monthly premium to my former employer.
 
Be aware that if you have an accident or incident that the FAA is inclined to charge you with a violation, that they will be harsher on a CFI than a non-CFI, all things considered. Also, if you are on a plane that has an issue, you may be considered the PIC whether you agreed to it or not.
 
No, I'm saying that as a hobby pilot, getting my CFI opened up so many doors to then be a hobby CFI, which was always my intent. Then that hobby CFI-ing led to lots of opportunities for flying new and interesting airplanes as an independent, but still hobby CFI. Which led to lots of opportunities for hobby contract piloting. I stayed at this hobby-level of CFI and piloting for about a decade, and was perfectly happy with that as the end result. Then my current position came available, I got hired, and piloting is now my day job (and CFI-ing is STILL a hobby).

I've flown 61 different models of airplanes at this point, and I'd have to say that at least 40, maybe 45 of these were a direct result of me becoming a CFI. As someone who finds flying new airplanes to be a exciting, interesting and valuable end result in itself, it was completely worth it to me even if I never went professional.

And as far as pay, yes, pay at flight schools is generally (but not always) terrible. But as an independent "hobby" CFI, $60-100 an hour in your spare time isn't bad pocket change.
:yeahthat:
I have been the hobby CFI for 27 years now. The log book now shows over 133 types, the majority I would have never got to fly without the CFI.
Not to mention a few planes that I have just been given the keys to so I could help keep them flying regularly for the owner or trade instruction for flight time.
Over the years I had the keys to a a few 172's, 182's, a 206, T-Craft, C-120, Citabria, Cherokee, J-3, Stinson 108, Mooney M20E, probably a few others. Some even offered to buy fuel for me.

As a "Hobby CFI" I get to fly quite a bit and people pay me to do it.
I get to go places I probably wouldn't if I had to pay for it. I use the income from my CFI work to support my flying habit, mostly the sailplane/racing.

Brian
CFIIG/ASEL
 
Birdus: Where are you located? Is there a good club nearby that could use you as an instructor? And many have already asked, is this a full time career move or a side gig, or maybe a retirement job?

Financially, I cannot say what you should do, but I do know that I owned an SR20 for 10 years and finding an instructor back in 2009 who had any experience with the Avionics was difficult. I am sure it is easier now, but the point is the same: are there any pilots around you that need your services?

If you are in the DFW area: there is a Ce-120 in Rowlett that is offered for rent/training. There is a Flight School in Denton that has a couple Citabria available. And there are lots of RV pilots that need instructors. Heck, I have a Luscombe project in the works and will be looking for someone just like you to help me learn the little plane, meet insurance requirements, reintroduce me to tail wheel (it has been a long time - that endorsement should probably be stricken from my log book by now.)

I do know, good instructors seem scarce these days. I am hoping to get my Luscombe back in the air sooner rather than later - when I do, I'll need a tailwheel instructor, and I have two daughters and a wife that are lining up to take lessons too. Which I might add says a lot about Luscombes and planes like it, when there was a 177RG and later a SR20, everone was happy to sit back and watch the clouds, listen to the XM radio, etc. I acquired this project and suddenly, all the women in my life want to learn to fly. My oldest daughter explained it like this - the avionics in the SR20 were intimidating and that plane was meant to go places, but the stick and simple guages make the Luscombe look fun.

Only you can decide if becomeing a CFI fits your time constraints or financial needs - but I for one believe there is a market for a good Tailwheel CFI. Best of luck on whatever you decide.
 
What's the demand like (in the U.S.) for a taildragger instructor? I got my private in my Luscombe and have around 380 hours in it. Also, I enjoy teaching (in general). I would consider relocating. I would still need my commercial and CFI ratings, but I suspect that wouldn't be too expensive since I already have a plane. Is this something I should consider or would it not be worth it?
Do you have an instrument rating? It’s required to be a CFI, except LS.

I have all my certificates and I wouldn’t consider relocating to teach in tail wheel airplanes.
 
Birdus: Where are you located? Is there a good club nearby that could use you as an instructor? And many have already asked, is this a full time career move or a side gig, or maybe a retirement job?

Financially, I cannot say what you should do, but I do know that I owned an SR20 for 10 years and finding an instructor back in 2009 who had any experience with the Avionics was difficult. I am sure it is easier now, but the point is the same: are there any pilots around you that need your services?

If you are in the DFW area: there is a Ce-120 in Rowlett that is offered for rent/training. There is a Flight School in Denton that has a couple Citabria available. And there are lots of RV pilots that need instructors. Heck, I have a Luscombe project in the works and will be looking for someone just like you to help me learn the little plane, meet insurance requirements, reintroduce me to tail wheel (it has been a long time - that endorsement should probably be stricken from my log book by now.)

I do know, good instructors seem scarce these days. I am hoping to get my Luscombe back in the air sooner rather than later - when I do, I'll need a tailwheel instructor, and I have two daughters and a wife that are lining up to take lessons too. Which I might add says a lot about Luscombes and planes like it, when there was a 177RG and later a SR20, everone was happy to sit back and watch the clouds, listen to the XM radio, etc. I acquired this project and suddenly, all the women in my life want to learn to fly. My oldest daughter explained it like this - the avionics in the SR20 were intimidating and that plane was meant to go places, but the stick and simple guages make the Luscombe look fun.

Only you can decide if becomeing a CFI fits your time constraints or financial needs - but I for one believe there is a market for a good Tailwheel CFI. Best of luck on whatever you decide.
Good instructors are scarce these days, but good instructors are not 500 hour pilots.
 
FYI if you are doing dual only instructing in a tailwheel aircraft, the insurance bite may be less than you think.

Solo adds a couple of zeros to the price. :)
It still bites. $4K/year for dual only in a Luscombe for my last bird. You've got to fly quite a bit to pay off the insurance.

I'm currently flying in that C-120 over in Rockwall with some students, but it's a trickle, not a flood.

I've been in the business for more than a decade and it's good enough that I want to keep doing it, but it's not enough to go full time. You need to have some regular certificate students to make it full time.
 
Only you can decide if becomeing a CFI fits your time constraints or financial needs - but I for one believe there is a market for a good Tailwheel CFI. Best of luck on whatever you decide.
I'm in that specific market... with 7K total time, over 800 dual given in tailwheel and it's not as big as you might think. I get maybe 2 calls a week but they don't all convert to clients.
 
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If you are a CFI who can PIC a taildragger, you can give a flight review in anything from a J-3 to a Staggerwing, from a Stearmam to a T-6. Just the possibility that someone might ask for an hour of dual in the cool planes that have the little wheel where it belongs would make the decision for me. I say go get your flight instructor certificate.
As long as the person getting the flight review is legal to be pic there is no requirement to even have a tail wheel endorsement to give a flight review in a taildragger. All you need is to be a cfi.
 
As long as the person getting the flight review is legal to be pic there is no requirement to even have a tail wheel endorsement to give a flight review in a taildragger. All you need is to be a cfi.
If you are a CFI who can PIC a taildragger, you can give a flight review in anything from a J-3 to a Staggerwing, from a Stearmam to a T-6. Just the possibility that someone might ask for an hour of dual in the cool planes that have the little wheel where it belongs would make the decision for me. I say go get your flight instructor certificate.

Gents, please consider asking a few things from T-6 instructors before agreeing to a flight review in a T-6 (if you aren't a regular T-6 driver). It has some unique ways of biting you that other non-warbird tailwheels just don't do. I'm happy to help out if needed!

To the OP: I would love to have a good TW instructor in my area; I get people that come to town to learn the T-6 and I'd love to send them around the pattern a few times with a local CFI that I trust to see if they actually know how to use their feet before putting them in the Texan. Additionally, there are some great local pilots looking for TW instruction to get into warbirds and I don't have anyone around. Special/niche case obviously - still hobby-level money. Good luck to you!
 
Gents, please consider asking a few things from T-6 instructors before agreeing to a flight review in a T-6 (if you aren't a regular T-6 driver). It has some unique ways of biting you that other non-warbird tailwheels just don't do. I'm happy to help out if needed!

To the OP: I would love to have a good TW instructor in my area; I get people that come to town to learn the T-6 and I'd love to send them around the pattern a few times with a local CFI that I trust to see if they actually know how to use their feet before putting them in the Texan. Additionally, there are some great local pilots looking for TW instruction to get into warbirds and I don't have anyone around. Special/niche case obviously - still hobby-level money. Good luck to you!
To be clear, I’m not suggesting that a 250-hour pilot with a wet flight instructor certificate and even wetter tailwheel endorsement should get into the rear seat of a warbird (or the right seat of a throw-over Staggerwing or even the front of a J-3) without proper training and familiarity with the ways the particular plane will try to kill you. But if you want to fly fun planes, I think your chances are a lot higher if you are a tailwheel qualified CFI (with very dry ink on both documents).

I’m also quoting your post/offer for posterity. No backsies!
 
To be clear, I’m not suggesting that a 250-hour pilot with a wet flight instructor certificate and even wetter tailwheel endorsement should get into the rear seat of a warbird (or the right seat of a throw-over Staggerwing or even the front of a J-3) without proper training and familiarity with the ways the particular plane will try to kill you. But if you want to fly fun planes, I think your chances are a lot higher if you are a tailwheel qualified CFI (with very dry ink on both documents).
I'm a CFI with the tailwheel endorsement and seaplane rating before I became an instructor. Most of my tailwheel time is in a J-3 on skis (and some on floats) and I would not dream of offering instruction in a tailwheel airplane or a seaplane.

Total time: 7850+, dual given: 2500+
 
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