Removing airport manager

M20K said:
ADDED: And let's not forget that NYS is one of the few (only?) state where the taxes are no longer deductible from your Federal taxes. That too drove a lot of people out of NYC and NYS and then when COVID hit it was just one more reason to move away.
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If you are talking about federal taxes, aren't deductions standard for the entire nation?
 
M20K said:
ADDED: And let's not forget that NYS is one of the few (only?) state where the taxes are no longer deductible from your Federal taxes. That too drove a lot of people out of NYC and NYS and then when COVID hit it was just one more reason to move away.
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Where did you see that? I googled and couldn't find anything like that. turbotax and H&R block, for example, didn't have any state specific rules documented for anything like that. You can't deduct HOA fees, concierge fees or other things like that. But I don't see anything suggesting property taxes are any different from any other state.

What am I missing?
 
Gilbert Buettner said:
If you are talking about federal taxes, aren't deductions standard for the entire nation?
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172andyou said:
Where did you see that? I googled and couldn't find anything like that. turbotax and H&R block, for example, didn't have any state specific rules documented for anything like that.
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I'm not talking about standard deductions and I'm guessing you live in states that do not have state or local income tax (SALT), so it probably wasn't on your radar. But for the decades when I lived in NYC, your NYC/NYS taxes were deductible from your Federal Taxes. In 2018 Pres. Trump put a $10,000 cap on what you could deduct (it's been a while, so I had to do a search to confirm the amount. :D) The cap affected any state and local taxes (SALT), but it disproportionately affects residents in high-tax states like New York, California, New Jersey and Maryland. So that first year it was quite the sticker shock when you filed your taxes.

But now back to aviation!
 
M20K said:
I'm not talking about standard deductions and I'm guessing you live in states that do not have state or local income tax (SALT), so it probably wasn't on your radar. But for the decades when I lived in NYC, your NYC/NYS taxes were deductible from your Federal Taxes. In 2018 Pres. Trump put a $10,000 cap on what you could deduct (it's been a while, so I had to do a search to confirm the amount. :D) The cap affected any state and local taxes (SALT), but it disproportionately affects residents in high-tax states like New York, California, New Jersey and Maryland. So that first year it was quite the sticker shock when you filed your taxes.

But now back to aviation!
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Ah, I see. I somehow jumped to property taxes. Thanks for the clarification.
 
The cap on SALT taxes was $10,000. In 2025 the "One big Beautiful Bill" that Trump pushed changed it to $40,000. In 2030 it's scheduled to go back to $10,000. But that's a long way off. for the Government, and anything can happen before 2030.
 
Read this CLOSELY:

www.illinoispolicy.org

More than half of Illinois counties suffer outmigration

Residents are leaving every corner of Illinois for other states despite surging international migration propping up the total population.
www.illinoispolicy.org www.illinoispolicy.org

"Illinois lost more than 40,000 residents to other states in 2025, though the state’s population grew marginally because of nearly 45,000 international migrants coming in and roughly 11,000 more births than deaths."

Your graph is useless. You really need to read past the first google result

If you replace middle/upper income families with (ahem) 'international migrants' do you REALLY think Illinois is growing?
 
pfarber said:
Read this CLOSELY:

www.illinoispolicy.org

More than half of Illinois counties suffer outmigration

Residents are leaving every corner of Illinois for other states despite surging international migration propping up the total population.
www.illinoispolicy.org www.illinoispolicy.org

"Illinois lost more than 40,000 residents to other states in 2025, though the state’s population grew marginally because of nearly 45,000 international migrants coming in and roughly 11,000 more births than deaths."

Your graph is useless. You really need to read past the first google result

If you replace middle/upper income families with (ahem) 'international migrants' do you REALLY think Illinois is growing?
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Depends on the migrants. In my city, many international migrants are doctors and engineers. Many of the long-term “natives” leaving are working class or poor, who are being priced out by high real estate costs.
 
pfarber said:
If you replace middle/upper income families with (ahem) 'international migrants' do you REALLY think Illinois is growing?
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if an area has more people legally move in than move out, then yes, the area is growing.

and that's as far as I can go while remaining within the ROC.
 
jayhawk74 said:
The cap on SALT taxes was $10,000. In 2025 the "One big Beautiful Bill" that Trump pushed changed it to $40,000.
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Well, the bill changed the cap to $40,000 on one end, but it scales right back down to $10,000 as income increases.
 
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M20K said:
But now back to aviation!
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Hangar space near big cities is big bucks, even if you live long enough to get to the top of the waiting list. Rural areas are much more reasonable.

Bill Gates couldn't pay me enough to live in a big city.
 
pfarber said:
Read this CLOSELY:

www.illinoispolicy.org

More than half of Illinois counties suffer outmigration

Residents are leaving every corner of Illinois for other states despite surging international migration propping up the total population.
www.illinoispolicy.org www.illinoispolicy.org

"Illinois lost more than 40,000 residents to other states in 2025, though the state’s population grew marginally because of nearly 45,000 international migrants coming in and roughly 11,000 more births than deaths."

Your graph is useless. You really need to read past the first google result

If you replace middle/upper income families with (ahem) 'international migrants' do you REALLY think Illinois is growing?
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Maybe you should read more closely. I said Chicago. Not Illinois. There is more than just one city in this state.

I live here. I see what's going on. I'm not stupid.
 
172andyou said:
Remember, this started with the absurd assertion that Chicago shut down meigs because it's a dying rustbelt city that couldn't afford to keep it. That's why economics matter.

As for whether cities or rural areas are 'better'... Depends entirely on what someone values.

Cities have better paying jobs, better access to health care, museums, better restaurants, vastly better live music scenes, more diversity, more schools/universities, public transportation, better infrastructure.

Some people value those things.

Rural areas are more affordable, have more space, some areas have lower crime (others are among the highest, so choose carefully), more sense of community, less pollution, less noise, no congestion, slower pace of life.

Some people value those things.

But it seems clear that the things that bring people to cities can be easily labeled as vibrant and the ones that draw people to the sticks are more like serene, tranquil, placid, restful...

I've had decades of experience in both. When I was younger I preferred the vibrance of cities. Now that I'm in my dotage I prefer the affordability and peace of rural areas.


Yeah, I chuckled at that also. But I looked it up and it's 600K in the city proper and 1.3M in the metro. So big enough that I decided not to address that outlier. Probably OP just had a bad night in Memphis at some point and it's been on his s*** list ever since.
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Yes, since 1974 for me.
 
DJTorrente said:
…last time I rode a NYC subway (I was seeking to scratch that death-defying itch that BASE jumping just can't reach), the subway car was plastered with ads begging people not to move away. Do you suppose they were targeted at the Wall Street billionaires who ride the subway?
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Those were for Streeteasy, a web site that has real estate listings for New York (rentals and sales), and they weren’t begging anyone to stay in New York; they were enticing people, desperate to try and make it in New York, to use their site to find their next home in the city.

For all the newcomers who are drawn to New York by everything it has to offer, the biggest challenge is actually making it, remaining there, due to the insane real estate cost, the growth of which keeps outpacing the inflation. Streeteasy’s message is that they can find them an affordable home so they can actually stay and make it in the city.

New York has been receiving a steady stream of domestic and foreign migrants, all dreaming of living there. The stream never stops. In the minds of those migrants, it’s the capital city of the entire universe.

You completely misunderstood the point of the ad campaign. To be fair, Streeteasy is known for very quirky ad campaigns, since their target audience is typically younger, less affluent crowd.
 
NealRomeoGolf said:
Maybe you should read more closely. I said Chicago. Not Illinois. There is more than just one city in this state.

I live here. I see what's going on. I'm not stupid.
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To also add... The publication he quoted isn't exactly unbiased.
 
No one is trying to close our airport, but no one is going to invest in anything without a lease and it’s falling apart. There’s plenty of empty land but the airport manager is ****ing off all of the hangar owners, from competing flying clubs to private hangar owners both T hangars and large box hangars, even the FBO. He’s kicking out Signature to form his own FBO, they are fighting back.

A bunch of hangar owners took their hangar and moved. So there’s plenty of sections with empty hangars, damaged taxiways and green overgrowth.

Anyway yeah I can move airports, but I’m still here with my hangar for another 6 years or so and then the airport wants us to become renters and he’s comparing Chicago Executive as market rates. I’ll move to KPWK or Aurora Dupage etc. Just not a fun place to be, the people are great, the management isn’t.

Also the wife’s flight school, I went there a couple times. It’s a puppy mill and they over bill on ground time. They put the airplane in the back of the hangar and bill time from when you enter the parking lot. There’s no social aspect, it’s dead when I go inside, very sterile, CFIs come and leave quickly due to low pay, they get paid extra when they over bill ground time. Tried to book my written there and the wife doesn’t know how to open the time slots, doesn’t respond to messages, she kept saying it’s open when it isn’t. Ended up going to Ohare to take my exam due to their poor service and lack of opening exam time slots. They are not full they just ask you to tell them the day and time to open a slot and she couldn’t figure it out. Whatever.
 
mandm said:
Anyway yeah I can move airports, but I’m still here with my hangar for another 6 years or so and then the airport wants us to become renters and he’s comparing Chicago Executive as market rates.
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Is he aware that he's literally twice as far from Chicago as Palwaukee?

Whatever, I'm sure the list of things he's not accounting for would overflow the PoA database. Sounds like a bummer of a situation. :-(
 
I owe @mandm a bit of an apology for my skepticism. Flew with a cfi who flies out of ugn on occasion and has time with skill. He echoed alot of what was mentioned previously and added it sounds like both Signature and a flying club were likely to be kicked out and that the airport wants to cater more to business jet traffic.
 
Rick A said:
He and his family probably got to keep many of the millions he stole throughout his long duration political favor inspired criminal enterprise. Wink, wink.

Losing the pension was likely an optical pittance intended to keep the hard working tax paying peasants happy. They may have fined him too, and given him a gentleman's prison sentence to make it look even more serious (out much sooner than sentenced for good behavior). Yeah, we showed that crook what happens.

Any way you look at it, it's a joke. Certainly not serious enough enforcement and punishment dealt out to prevent the next guy from doing the same.
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Look at Illiinois governors. IIRC, more than half who held office in the last 50 years have ended up in Federal prison.
 
Racerx said:
I owe @mandm a bit of an apology for my skepticism. Flew with a cfi who flies out of ugn on occasion and has time with skill. He echoed alot of what was mentioned previously and added it sounds like both Signature and a flying club were likely to be kicked out and that the airport wants to cater more to business jet traffic.
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I concur. If it's all that bad, then you certainly have our sympathy.
 
DaleB said:
Yeah. I guess he expects everyone to fly in and out, since there's essentially no parking for anything. I see maybe a hundred spots for the whole place. This is some serious "junior high kid with an AI tool" level stuff.
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Yeah, whoever prompted the AI that made that picture has a ways to go before becoming a competent planner. Fortunately, Google Satellite View shows a more encouraging picture of the current reality at Campbell Airport, including places to park airplanes.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/C...try=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDcxNC4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw==
 
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pfarber said:
In my small/mid-sized city I have yet to have a homeless / mentally ill guy damage my (rental) car in my hometown, nor have I had to pay over $6 a gallon for gas in my 'less than vibrant' mid size city.

LA/SFO/Chicago/NYC/Memphis and quite a few more cities need to be nuked from orbit. Its the only way to be sure.
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Those are fighting words. Has anyone suggested nuking your home yet?
 
midwestpa24 said:
While I agree with your counterpoint in theory, the reality is different.

The average citizen doesn't relate to general aviation, anymore than they do to country clubs or yacht clubs. They don't see the utility in it, they don't see the benefit, its just a tax payer subsidized playground for the rich and powerful in their mind. I'm not arguing that their viewpoint is necessarily correct, but it is the truth for a majority of the population. Just one example, if an airport with scheduled service loses that service, most people think the airport will just close and get bulldozed. How many communities are trying to close and bulldoze their GA airports? How many new public GA airports have been built in the last two decades? The only ones that come to mind only happened because two airports were replaced by one.
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Sometimes I wonder where the average citizen thinks airline pilots come from. It's not like they grow on trees, and they have to get those 1500 hours somewhere.
 
Palmpilot said:
Sometimes I wonder where the average citizen thinks airline pilots come from. It's not like they grow on trees, and they have to get those 1500 hours somewhere.
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cue the AI-generated image of airlines plucking rated pilots off trees (or the planes of the Serengeti)
 
StraightnLevel said:
Look at Illiinois governors. IIRC, more than half who held office in the last 50 years have ended up in Federal prison.
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Four of the last 7 mayors of Atlantic City, NJ faced federal charges; three were sent to federal prison.

When NJ’s Governor McGreevy was forced to resign years back, the article in Newsweek opened with the statement that while Chicago had long been the most corrupt city, NJ was the most systematically corrupt state in the Union.
 
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