Premier 1 driver reported to FAA by "pilot"

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  1. Lindberg

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    I forgot to mention that he cleared me to land straight in and told me to keep my speed up for the jet cleared number 2, but when I realized I was too high and fast on short final, I called "going around" before I was actually going around. Will I be allowed to keep my certificate?
     
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    At least one of you didn't know where you were.
     
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    -17 points for incorrect homophone.
     
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    Obviously you were on an east to west course, flying very fast, and the tower was slow to respond to your initial call.
     
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    They had the radar on "track up" instead of "North up" and got confused.
     
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    Easiest solution is just to turn off our radio's on uncontrolled fields. If someone gets busted for calls when they aren't required in the first place, the lesson is to just turn them off :p *Sarcasm
     
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    Yeah, you would know! :D
     
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    Hmmmm, interesting turn of events, it seems P1D has made the video in the OP "unlisted" and he turned off the comments, which made them disappear. I wonder if there is some type of legal action involved by the student? Or if P1D feels bad for the reaction and social media justice his video brought upon this kid and hid the video.
     
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    Probably lost click revenue he doesn’t need because he was so “pleasant” in that unneeded video.
     
  13. PaulS

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    He got 167k views on that video, more than his average for such a short time period if you look at his other videos.
     
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    Most complaints Tucker Gott gets are from the no-nothing people on the ground in the areas he flies, not really the no-nothing people watching his videos or the know-something pilots who see him or watch his videos. In that regard, Tucker Gott's FAA complaints have little to do with his youtube presence. His turning an FAA "action" (in terms of investigating the complaint) into something which he can make fun of and make money off of is genius. I've seen Tucker's response videos to the FAA calls and he takes the time to talk about what it was that caused the call, why he did what he did and why the FAA did or did not agree with him... He turns it into an informational session, not a gee the FAA called and it put my panties in a twist (can I say that? Pretty sure that's not PC anymore). P1D's response by contrast makes him look like the whiny child in this debate not the adult he is.

    The kid in question did try to engage in having an adult conversation first. P1D dismissed his questions with what imo amounted to a bunch of BS about being situationally aware and calling the kid out for not seeing the person waiting to take off or hearing the guy on downwind in his video without ever addressing the kids real question or comment. When the kid tried to engage again, P1D didn't respond. I dont think the next stop should have been the FAA but involving or invoking a third party to arbitrate is generally speaking, the typical next step in any disagreement.

    An mistake made honestly and "unknowingly" is quite different from one made willfully and knowingly... Unless you're saying you new you were 10 miles northwest and you reported 10 miles northeast, I dont see an issue here. Bearing and distance is also a general announcement and thus doesn't have the same safety implications as a more specific announcement closer in to the "busy" airport environment like "x mile final 10L" when you're actually on approach to 10R.

    Similar to the your prior example, going around is a general call and procedure. You start going around when you say you're going around. You could even call a go-around on the upwind if you wanted to and most of us have called for and done a 360 for spacing on downwind at some point which can in some sense be viewed as a go-around... You're breaking off your approach and restarting. As a go-around is largely dependent on your present location (you might need to climb or descend depending on your present position and altitude when you make the call) there isn't anything specific you are required to do except breakoff the current approach. If you called "going around" however and still continued to descend and executed a "low approach" or even landed instead, then I'd have issues with you knowingly calling a go-around when that was not what you were doing.

    In short P1D knowingly made a call that was false and while the runway length and his position at the opposite end of the runway made it low risk and therefore more forgivable, it was a call he still made knowing for certain he wasn't clear. What if he wasn't a jet that used the full 6,000 ft of the runway? What if he was a supercub that landed in the first 1,000 ft and still called clear several seconds before actually clearing (and though I realize ATC would not give you a release until he closed, what if he was landing in a low-visibility IFR day at a non-towered airport with an ILS and therefore couldn't see him exit the runway yourself?.)
     
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    Trying not to derail the topic here but...
    People tend to associate with others of similar backgrounds, languages, looks, religion, socio-economic status, values, etc. Its in part (it wasn't "completely" natural, some of it was forced by legislative action) why cities developed enclaves like "Chinatown" and "little Italy." Its why even today, cross-ethnic marriages and mixed-communities are not common place and why until relatively recently, coming out as gay was a big deal (not that it isn't still a big deal for those still in the closet, but that's for them and their families/communities, not really the world at large). As a result of this isolated environment, most of us born before circa 1990 to 1995, learned to adopt the view points of our parents and communities. We feared being ostracized from that community because it was "home," it made us feel safe and secure and surrounded by people we knew, respected, loved, etc all of whom share similar values. We internalized those view points and repeated them to ourselves until those view points became true (as someone else commented, if you hear something that isn't true repeated enough times, eventually you start to question your own knowledge and understanding of whatever it is).

    If you were born during 1990-1995, or anytime thereafter (especially) however, you entered your formative years, particularly your teen years when you were rebelling against your parents ideas and trying to determine who you were as a person yourself right at the height of the main thrust of the internet revolution. Those born after 1995 in particular dont really know a time before the internet and entered their teen years at a time when not only was the internet common place but it became readily available to you at any time via a fully functional browser on your shiny new 2007 iphone gen1 (yeah the internet on phones predates the iPhone but it was severely limited). Just a quick google search away, the internet provided a community of like minded individuals, where you could find support for your views while still remaining mostly anonymous. It created a giant social safety net to fall back on where the fear of being ostracized from your local community didn't matter because your online community that you found with like views would welcome you with open arms. This was accelerated further by the "absence" of parents in the home as dual income families became the norm and the internet started to blur the lines between work and home. Therein lies the divide between the "current" generation that has increasingly distanced themselves from the views of their parents in favor of new views.

    Add to that we were actually somewhat due for a cultural revolution... Historically, they seem to run about once every 40-50 years or every 3-4 generations (a generation that starts it, a generation born into it and its benefits and a generation that starts to think yeah but we could do better... by the 4th generation its "we're going to do better") and at least here in the US the last major one was roughly mid-50's to late 60's with the Baby Boomers with the current upheaval arguably starting right "on time" sometime in the mid-to-late aughts... Cant speak from experience myself but at least from the historical descriptions of the 60's cultural revolution, the "kids" then weren't overly worried about being disowned and while I dont know that I've seen or heard descriptions of them disowning their parents generation, they clearly had major disagreements over the direction of society from Vietnam to sex, drugs and Rock and Roll and many made an effort to distance themselves in someway, shape or form from the prior generation though probably not as significantly and vitriolic as the current generation.
     
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    A lot of your assumptions re: us late 90s kids depended on your parents' income level, or your regional location, or at least those seem like huge probable factors. Buying an iPhone would have taken a few months of my family's grocery budget, and I was definitely not the 9yo playing with one when they first came out! Add that to the fact that all cellphone networks were terrible in my area until about five years ago.

    I grew up (if I am old enough to say that) without accessible internet, though we did have dial-up and a desktop that only my parents used, no cellphones until my dad got a flip-phone in mid '00s (when he got upgraded to a Blackberry...that was COOL! LOL). My mom got a flip-phone in the late '00s, about when we moved to "real internet". Laptops for my parents followed a few years later. They were still territorial about their pcs, so not much internet for this girl! I've made up for it since. ;) I got a flip-phone when I went to college, and bought my laptop then, too. Now, I even have a cheapie smartphone. Welcome to the modern world. LOL Most of the kids I knew in college, though, were logged on long before that.

    As far as "disownment" and the fear thereof, I think that varies pretty much individually and maybe with your personality. If you grew up in a family where anything went, I think your statements are pretty fair, in that the parent is more likely to be worried the kid will disown them. If you grew up in a family where there were standards and expectations, I think the kids are more worried or equally worried when they go against those standards or fail to meet expectations. That said, the whole thing is probably just personal. LOL I was one of those kids growing up with a structured family life, with a mom who did not work full time, who was quite conflicted about going against the grain as I got older (which I did anyway) for fear my parents would be so disappointed in me, they'd just kick me out. Unfounded, yes, but still lurking there. So, who knows. Maybe I am just an odd duck and nobody else around my age cares about that. :rolleyes:
     
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    Sounds pretty good to me.

    Would you be interested in dating my son?

    :)
     
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    Never had anyone ask me that before! LOL The real question is, would I want to? :D
     
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    Oh, and um... does your son know you are offering him as dating material to random females on internet forums?! ;)
     
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    I dunno; he’s 25 and has a pretty good head on his shoulders. Loves aviation. He’s an IT specialist at the King’s Bay naval base (nuc submarines). He drove down this weekend to visit us and he’s sitting here flipping through one of my WWII aviation books.
     
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    Not yet. But he’d be appreciative that I’m at least confining it to intelligent young ladies with good upbringings.
     
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    Probably not PC anymore, but what the heck...if I ever "switch sides," he's first!
     
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    Now, no one has mentioned money, and what are you implying about the young lass?
     
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    I hereby publicly recognize my cynicism, but that rings about as true as his earlier statements that he posts his videos only to help and assist his viewers. More likely, he pulled that video down because it didn't result in the 100% "attaboy" comments he thought it would. Again... Pure conjecture on my point. I hope I'm wrong. I doubt it.
     
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    I think he's saying you're pimping your son, not @SkyChaser . Of course, this is all in fun.... Right?!?!
     
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    I've got no idea what Premier Driver did but fell into this thread and I'm driven to contribute my own extraordinarily valuable take on things. Calling clear of the runway, especially at uncontrolled fields, is good procedure in my humble . . . .
     
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    What if (and this is the crux of the situation) you are not really clear of the runway when you make that call?
     
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    Yep, the departing traffic would instantly collide with the jet 3.9 seconds after the all clear. As real pilots, we need at least 0.00001us accuracy in position reports. Unreal. Glad everyone is okay.
     
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    At least he has good taste in reading material and cares enough about his parents to visit them! ;) He sounds like a good one, but he'd have to be okay with being #2 to an airplane. LOL

    For y'all's information, what @Half Fast is attempting to do is called matchmaking. LOL And as far as I know, it's all in fun. :) The logistics alone would make it beyond weird! Also, could you imagine the "how you met" story?! LOL (Yeah, so, I was on this online forum with his dad... :D)

    To keep this on topic (is there one at this point?!), I called base today slightly before I turned. I should probably be reported to the FAA, and that comment about being intelligent should be revoked. ;)
     
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    I have it on good authority that at least one moderator met his wife on PoA.
     
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    Yes, but did he meet her, or her dad? :D
     
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    Wow... Project much?
     
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    One step at a time.

    He who would learn to fly one day must first learn to stand and walk and run and climb and dance; one cannot fly into flying. --Nietzsche
     
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    Well, he’d probably be okay with that, but you might be #2 to a Mazda Miata, his pride and joy of the moment.


    Oh, that story would become funnier each time I told (and enhanced) it, trust me.



    I certainly hope you submitted a NASA report.
     
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    I'm rooting for a blind date!
     
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    Eh, as long as he played with it while I was flying, I could care less. I wouldn't mind, as long as I could drive it once in a blue moon or two. ;)

    I was worried about that. I provide too much material to people who like to tell enhanced stories. LOL

    That could be the weirdest story ever, even just considering the physical distance!

    Also, I know somewhere back there in this thread, someone was complaining about how long this thread was going on. Apparently, no one realized some YT guy calling clear early was interconnected to mine and Half Fast's unsuspecting son's dating lives, or lack thereof. Boy, is this weird. LOL
     
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    Yeah, that'd be really weird. I promise I didn't give him my log-in information. :)