hish747
Pre-takeoff checklist
If my friend takes me for a flight in his multiengine aircraft can I, as a PP-ASEL, log that time at the controls of a multi-engine aircraft? I understand that I can't log PIC, but can I log the flight time?
If your friend is a MEI and signed your logbook as instruction given, yes. Dual.
Hi Ed.Nope you aren't rated in class and it's not instruction.
Someone made a pretty decent flowchart to indicate what you can log at one time but management didn't care to pin it or make it a sticky.
No, neither of those. I love how he copied my flowchart and then copyrighted it under his name.
Unfortunately, you gotta read a couple of regs together.I've always understood that yes you can log it in total time, but it can't be PIC. I'm likely wrong, but I don't know of any regulations preventing this.
People are great, aren’t they?No, neither of those. I love how he copied my flowchart and then copyrighted it under his name.
Nope you aren't rated in class and it's not instruction.
Someone made a pretty decent flowchart to indicate what you can log at one time but management didn't care to pin it or make it a sticky.
What he said. Long story, I was able to hand fly a B-757 for about an hour a few years ago. Of course I am not rated and the Captain did not offer dual, but I put it in my logbook with ( ) and did not add it to any of my times.You could write it IN your log book as something you may want to remember for personal reasons if you don't add it into your other time. You cannot log it as flight time either as PIC or SIC.
It's not a defect. The chart requires the CFI to be "an authorized instructor for the flight." Of course, that requires more knowledge than is depicted on the chart, but if a CFI doesn't know that, too bad, so sad.There's a defect in the flowchart. A flight instructor can't be authorized to give instruction if he's not also in possession of a pilot certificate with category and class ratings for the aircraft. There's no way you'd get to that balloon.
Why do I need to memorize something I only need once in a blue moon and can look up on a chart? I’m not a safety hazard On my daytime Vfr flight in a sel if I don’t know if I can log when flying a multi engine tail dragger at night with a blind ex-CFI in the back seat, with a certified seeing eye dog.It's not a defect. The chart requires the CFI to be "an authorized instructor for the flight." Of course, that requires more knowledge than is depicted on the chart, but if a CFI doesn't know that, too bad, so sad.
The difficulty I have always had with the chart is a little different than what it is missing for a CFI. Although at its best it is a good outline and guide to learning, it's probably used more as a substitute for learning. After all, if you learned and understood 61.51, you wouldn't need the chart.
Why do I need to memorize something I only need once in a blue moon and can look up on a chart? I’m not a safety hazard On my daytime Vfr flight in a sel if I don’t know if I can log when flying a multi engine tail dragger at night with a blind ex-CFI in the back seat, with a certified seeing eye dog.
Where did I say or suggest "memorize?"Why do I need to memorize something I only need once in a blue moon and can look up on a chart? I’m not a safety hazard On my daytime Vfr flight in a sel if I don’t know if I can log when flying a multi engine tail dragger at night with a blind ex-CFI in the back seat, with a certified seeing eye dog.
The problem is that if he is an authorized instructor, then he'll never get to the CFI decision point. He's rated (otherwise he can't be an authorized instructor), so he bypasses that branch and ends up testing for sole manipulator/Safety Pilot/Multipilot operation (presuming he's none of these) and end up in the LOG NOTHING square.It's not a defect. The chart requires the CFI to be "an authorized instructor for the flight." Of course, that requires more knowledge than is depicted on the chart, but if a CFI doesn't know that, too bad, so sad.