Pleasance out at AOPA

The two clauses in this sentence seem to contradict each other.
Perhaps. I don't know if he was fired because he has a "pilot-first" mentality, but I know that he was the first president of AOPA in my lifetime that was, and therefore, I hold little hope that the next one will be.

So regardless of the reason, it's clear that AOPA and I do not share a vision of GA
 
These things usually involve a female intern.

Just kidding!

But seriously, I question whether one organization can simultaneously pursue the interests of both grassroots owners and bizjet operators. Those interests just diverge too much, and sometimes oppose.

At first sight of how fast this guy went under the bus I thought perhaps he was in "the files" getting all the attention lately. (No not really!) :biggrin:

I left AOPA because what they wanted to promote wasn't what I wanted to support. I'm a member of EAA and they really try to live up to their motto of,
"Learn, Build, & Fly." EAA isn't a perfect answer either but they are aiming at what I desire to promote and support. My plane burns gasoline ... not kerosene. :dunno:
 
I bet AOPA will come out with a whole bunch of new 'freebies' for members as a way to shore up the numbers and distract from this issue. I can see the BOT saying "Maybe if we give them some more free stuff they'll forget about how crappy a board we are!" And then roll out some new member benefit, cost reduction, etc.

I cancelled my membership after this and received a refund as it was just a few days prior to this news. EAA for me now. Would love to see Pleasance work for them!
 
If you're attending the AOPA Fly-in and Buckeye Air Fair this weekend, there is a 10:30 AM "PILOT TOWN HALL WITH AOPA LEADERSHIP" this Saturday the 14th.
 
If you're attending the AOPA Fly-in and Buckeye Air Fair this weekend, there is a 10:30 AM "PILOT TOWN HALL WITH AOPA LEADERSHIP" this Saturday the 14th.
Also at the NW Aviation Conference at Puyallup, WA on the 21st. 1PM on Saturday the 21st of February.

Ron Wanttaja
 
Mike Busch has this out today. With a link to sign a petition to have Darren Pleasance reinstated

I don't really have a dog in this fight, as i dropped aopa around the time Tom Haines left. I had been thinking about joining again, but was waiting to see what developed. Mike Busch does a podcast, articles, and a lot of advertising with aopa; for him to stick his neck out on this seems telling to me.
:popcorn:
 
Looking for a new insurance company (unfortunately probably a futile task given my age) as this will be more of an impact than the dues stooping.
 
I’ve no strong feelings one way or another on this since I really don’t know or care to know how AOPA runs its business. Broadly speaking though, growing membership and attracting new pilots are synonymous; reading between the lines that means recruiting new members from the college 141 programs since that’s where the volume of pilot training is at. As for advancing pilot training, that’s a bland statement. AOPA can’t make it cheaper and EAA effectively owns the MOSAIC space, so other than engaging type clubs to standardize a transition syllabus, I don’t see what they can do. The glaringly obvious omission is PAFI/Eagle/lead free avgas flavor du jour.

I think it’s not unreasonable AOPA sees its target market owner pilot is the part 91 commercial owners/operators that Flying is targeting. I don’t know whether I’ll renew or not, kind of depends if our insurance broker says the industry isn’t giving us a discount that’s worth more than the cost.
I quit paying dues long before COVID. About the only benefit was VREF and 100LL. I never signed the proxy, either.
 
Mike Busch has this out today. With a link to sign a petition to have Darren Pleasance reinstated


Unfortunately, I don't think reinstatement is an option. Any chance of a successful working relationship between Pleasance and the Board has been destroyed beyond repair.

Once the train wreck has happened, putting the wreckage back onto the torn-up rails doesn't work very well.
 
Remind me. Bicycle incident?
What exactly was the Bicycle incident? I remember a Baker from the 70's and 80's era. And a King Air. Were there two Bakers?
Censorship on the Red Board got so heavy-handed at one point that they closed/deleted a thread about folding bicycles (that could fit in GA airplanes) as "non aviation related"... That resulted in a large number of people defecting here, the Purple Board, and other places.

Canceled my membership. I can’t remember the last time I opened the magazine or cared about anything they said in public.
This! They used to have a huge list of member benefits.

They gave away a very nicely refurbished airplane each year (and wrote about the process all year long and talked about the costs, giving some great publicity to really good shops, STC developers, and showing some real world cost information). You could do a reasonably good airplane valuation with their version of Vref. There was a flight planner that was pretty decent in the pre-ForeFlight days. There was a credit card that got you a substantial (5%!) discount on avgas as well as purchases from Sporty's and other aviation companies. There was a great online forum (whose first shutdown led to the birth of PoA). There were tons of services available to pilots, discounts with travel related companies, flight training scholarships and loans, aircraft purchasing resources, and it was all $39 a year which felt like a really good deal at the time. Heck, there was even an annual "big" fly-in and convention that moved around - I went to one of the last ones, the very last one was in 2013.

Now, the majority of the benefits are gone, prices have gone up, and I no longer feel like I get much benefit at all from AOPA. I do feel like we need to have an advocacy organization as we are only about 0.5% of the population in this country, but I don't think AOPA is it any more. EAA seems to be much more effective and has really eclipsed AOPA in terms of relevance to GA pilots, even those of us on the certified side of things.

But seriously, I question whether one organization can simultaneously pursue the interests of both grassroots owners and bizjet operators. Those interests just diverge too much, and sometimes oppose.
How so? The main thing for any of these orgs is just keeping airports open. Yes, it's true that the bizjet operators care less about unpaved and shorter paved runways, but organizations like the Recreational Aviation Foundation and the Seaplane Pilots Association have done a lot to keep access to the solely-recreational landing facilities open.

I don't really see how the bizjet types have interests that *oppose* ours, and frankly, the amount of money they contribute is the only way the rest of us get listened to. Splitting us up means that if there are opposing interests, they'll win and we won't.

I've kinda wondered about that, too. That's why I'm wondering if the membership numbers are just to gain legitimacy to an agenda that really only serves a few hundred people, not thousands. If the people who care about having their own jets have a bit of self-awareness, they'll perhaps realize that the average Joe, or really the representative for the average Joe, doesn't care if there are airports to land their private jet at.
Right, but those are the *same* airports we land at in many cases. And the fewer airports there are, the less useful the remaining airports AND our airplanes are! The number of airfields this country built in the run-up to and during WWII is the reason that we lead the world in aviation activity.

The reason we have so much opportunity to fly around in little planes in this country, in my view, is because we have so many close to normal people doing it. The fewer people flying piston singles, the worse the environment is going to be for everyone.
This... But sadly, piston single activity is WAY down, and it's going to take a herculean effort to save it.
 
Unfortunately, I don't think reinstatement is an option. Any chance of a successful working relationship between Pleasance and the Board has been destroyed beyond repair.

Once the train wreck has happened, putting the wreckage back onto the torn-up rails doesn't work very well.
I’m thinking that the only way it would really be viable is if most of the board was changed out.
 
... But sadly, piston single activity is WAY down, and it's going to take a herculean effort to save it.
From the FAA General Aviation Surveys:

Estimated total single-piston-engine time:
2000: 18,768,380 hours
2021: 12,807,768 hours

About a 31% drop in activity.

Number of single-engine piston aircraft:
2000: 192,730
2021: 161,650

About a 16% drop in the number of aircraft. Some of that was due to the re-registration process, started in 2010.

From my own data:
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Ron Wanttaja
 
I’m thinking that the only way it would really be viable is if most of the board was changed out.

Under the existing bylaws, there would be no one left with the authority to select a new board, so AOPA would effectively be dead.

A petition to make the board electable by the membership, without board approval, would move us in the correct direction, but again that change itself would require board approval.
 
Under the existing bylaws, there would be no one left with the authority to select a new board, so AOPA would effectively be dead.
There are ways to do this, generally involving state laws that provide some relief/exceptions to the bylaws in extreme circumstances.

I know this because I've been a part of removing the entire board of directors from an organization that had a similar sort of structure via a vote of no confidence from the membership, and new board members installed at the same meeting.

I have no idea what the laws of MD are. However, I think the big challenge would be getting a *majority* of the AOPA membership to vote for this sort of change. There are plenty of people out there who don't know, don't care, and don't care to know who will either abstain or just vote with the current board.

It would be a massive effort, and it would cost a significant amount of money to be successful.
 
Done via the proxy checkbox on the renewal form every year. The board has protected themselves very well.
Yup. I wonder what percentage of the membership has given their vote to the board. I bet they have a majority just from people check the box without a second thought.

Provided it's legal for them to obtain their proxies in that manner, there's likely nothing that can be done unless there's evidence of willful criminal misconduct.
 
I never provided my proxy. To bad members can not give their proxy to another member attending the annual meeting.
 
Any chance of a successful working relationship between Pleasance and the Board has been destroyed beyond repair.
Which leads us to the clear conclusion that the current board needs to be removed and reconstituted. If nothing else, I think this incident has opened a lot of people's eyes as to just how incestuous the AOPA board is, and how well it has protected itself into becoming a little fiefdom. While this absolutely spectacular backfiring has been entertaining to some degree, the gross misuse of association funds (Damage control public relations? Really?) has stirred up the membership way more than any of their "call to actions" generally do.

I'm under no illusions that the board is going anywhere, unfortunately. What a catastrophic, stupid, stupid shame.
 
Perhaps I missed it, but is there any indication of the remuneration of the AOPA BOD?
 
Unfortunately, I don't think reinstatement is an option. Any chance of a successful working relationship between Pleasance and the Board has been destroyed beyond repair.

Once the train wreck has happened, putting the wreckage back onto the torn-up rails doesn't work very well.
Do you have inside information?
 
I joined AOPA back when I took my first introductory flight in 1998(ish). That flight was from a coupon in the back of the Microsoft Flight Simulator 95 manual. I remember being excited each month when the magazine showed up. As a teenager interested in aviation, it gave me a window into that world that I couldn't quite jump through yet. There were informative articles written to the level of the student pilot. When I started taking lessons in 2001, the credit card benefit was an enormous help and again all the information being provided and the benefits provided were worth the annual fee. When I stepped away from flying for about 20 years I, of course let my AOPA membership lapse. When I got back into it, I reached out to AOPA and was able to revive my old member file and pick up where I left off. What I found was an organization that looked nothing like what I joined in the 90s and the fee was crazy expensive. I cannot put my finger on one thing AOPA has provided to me. I will, however give them the win of fighting to keep my local airport open in the face of strong opposition...that we still resist daily.

I joined EAA a couple years ago in order to be allowed to participate in Young Eagles. Even though I'm not a builder, I have found the information provided and the benefits offered far outweigh that of AOPA. I renewed my membership just yesterday (after cancelling my AOPA membership) for a mere $60 for me and my family. AOPA single member renewal is north of $80 now.

I belong to another organization that has taken some heat over the years. The NRA. Recently, there was a huge fallout about the President and how the organization was spending its money. Further, I live in Massachusetts now and having come up here from the south I can't see any benefit the NRA has provided to Massachusetts residents. As a life member, I withheld any additional donations due to the way they were spending my money. I would tell them as much each time they called soliciting donations. The result is a new president, a new direction and each year (just this month, actually) I receive a ballot by mail to elect this year's board of directors. I've never once received similar from AOPA. Just the proxy. The more I think about it, the more I think AOPA is a dying organization that does NOT have my best interest at heart.
 
Who says they can't?
I don’t believe there is a formal/legal proxy form where AOPA will recognize a member voting via a proxy provided to a member. The form they use is only for a member to grant proxy to a board member. Here is what the proxy says…

"I appoint Luke R. Wippler, Matthew J. Desch, and William C. Trimble, III, or any two of them, as my agent and proxy to vote for me at any meeting of members of the AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION upon any business to come before the meeting. Any person named above as my agent and proxy may, in his or her discretion, substitute another person from the AOPA Board of Trustees to act in his or her place at any such meeting by filing a notice of such substitution with the Secretary. This proxy is valid for up to thirty-six (36) months unless sooner revoked."
 
I don’t believe there is a formal/legal proxy form where AOPA will recognize a member voting via a proxy provided to a member. The form they use is only for a member to grant proxy to a board member. Here is what the proxy says…

"I appoint Luke R. Wippler, Matthew J. Desch, and William C. Trimble, III, or any two of them, as my agent and proxy to vote for me at any meeting of members of the AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION upon any business to come before the meeting. Any person named above as my agent and proxy may, in his or her discretion, substitute another person from the AOPA Board of Trustees to act in his or her place at any such meeting by filing a notice of such substitution with the Secretary. This proxy is valid for up to thirty-six (36) months unless sooner revoked."

That's what their form says, but nothing says you have to use their form. You can write your own and plug in whatever name you like.

"I, Rcmutz, appoint Half Fast as my agent and proxy to vote for me at any meeting of members of the AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION upon any business to come before the meeting."
 
From the Russ Niles article: "The board has appointed Chief Financial Officer Jill Baker and Senior Vice President of Membership Strategy and Growth Katie Pribyl as “Co-CEOs” while the search is on for a permanent replacement for Pleasance."

I wonder if temporary Co-CEO Jill Baker is somehow related to former AOPA CEO Mark Baker? And who Co-CEO Katie PRIBYL's insider could be?
 
That's what their form says, but nothing says you have to use their form. You can write your own and plug in whatever name you like.

"I, Rcmutz, appoint Half Fast as my agent and proxy to vote for me at any meeting of members of the AIRCRAFT OWNERS AND PILOTS ASSOCIATION upon any business to come before the meeting."
I guess that might work if it is signed and witnessed in front of a notary. I suspect the AOPA Board might challenge the validity of proxies if someone walked in with several thousand with the intent of voting for a particular person for the Board. It’s probably all moot since a special committee has to approve any names placed in nomination for a Board position.
 
Censorship on the Red Board got so heavy-handed at one point that they closed/deleted a thread about folding bicycles (that could fit in GA airplanes) as "non aviation related"... That resulted in a large number of people defecting here, the Purple Board, and other places.


This! They used to have a huge list of member benefits.

They gave away a very nicely refurbished airplane each year (and wrote about the process all year long and talked about the costs, giving some great publicity to really good shops, STC developers, and showing some real world cost information). You could do a reasonably good airplane valuation with their version of Vref. There was a flight planner that was pretty decent in the pre-ForeFlight days. There was a credit card that got you a substantial (5%!) discount on avgas as well as purchases from Sporty's and other aviation companies. There was a great online forum (whose first shutdown led to the birth of PoA). There were tons of services available to pilots, discounts with travel related companies, flight training scholarships and loans, aircraft purchasing resources, and it was all $39 a year which felt like a really good deal at the time. Heck, there was even an annual "big" fly-in and convention that moved around - I went to one of the last ones, the very last one was in 2013.

Add to that no cost life insurance with membership. . . back in the 1980s.
 
I guess that might work if it is signed and witnessed in front of a notary. I suspect the AOPA Board might challenge the validity of proxies if someone walked in with several thousand with the intent of voting for a particular person for the Board. It’s probably all moot since a special committee has to approve any names placed in nomination for a Board position.
They don’t require a notary for proxies given to the board, so I don’t think challenging other proxies without a notary would be successful.
 
Section 6. Proxies. Every member entitled to vote may do so either in person or by written proxy filed with the Secretary of the corporation, which proxy may be transmitted electronically.
 
I am hopeful that all this fuss with AOPA will be constructive.
 
Under the existing bylaws, there would be no one left with the authority to select a new board, so AOPA would effectively be dead.

A petition to make the board electable by the membership, without board approval, would move us in the correct direction, but again that change itself would require board approval.
From my reading of the By-Laws AOPA has online there is no way for the membership to enact any change at all, everything rests with the board. That includes amending the By-Laws themselves. I am not holding my breath for the board to change anything.
 
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