Plane crashes off Boca Raton

[flyingcheesehead]

But if we zero in just on the equipment… regrettably, the PA30’s manual extension procedure is definitely more complex than most of its contemporaries. I’ve probably got a similar amount of time in the Seminole and Seneca from my instructing/pilot examiner time (the latter unloggable of course, but still quite a bit of time spent actually flying the airplane and almost always involving OEI, simulated emergencies, etc.) In those aircraft the pilot simply observes an airspeed limitation, places the landing gear selector in the down position, and pulls the emergency extension plunger located on the panel near the gear lever.

To be fair, you're comparing it with two of the most dirt-simple-to-extend airplanes there are. If there's an emergency gear procedure out there easier than the PA28R/PA32R/PA34/PA44, I haven't seen it.

Never done the Twinkie one, but now I want to.

 

[ionel]

If there's an emergency gear procedure out there easier than the PA28R/PA32R/PA34/PA44, I haven't seen it.

My Mooney backup exactly same as main procedure ... ~1s up or down ... only one proceedure ... easy peezy.

 

[flyingcheesehead]

My Mooney backup exactly same as main procedure ... ~1s up or down ... only one proceedure ... easy peezy.

Well, that's not really an emergency procedure, it's a normal procedure that has no emergency procedure because the whole system is dirt simple!

Of course, throw a motor in it like my Mooney has, and despite being the same system otherwise, the emergency procedure is still more complicated than the newer Pipers!

My favorite was the plane I flew for my multi rating. It was an Apache with some STCs that had four different ways to get the gear down! Normal (hydraulic pump on left engine), almost-normal (electric hydraulic pump), factory abnormal (hand pump that'd put both the flaps and gear down - half flaps, then gear, then full flaps), and finally the "oh ****" CO2 blowdown. And the pilot is still the weakest link that'll cause all four to sit their waiting while he bellies it in. I wonder if the CO2 blowdown is powerful enough to pop the plane back up to standing on its legs?

 

[ionel]

Well, that's not really an emergency procedure, it's a normal procedure that has no emergency procedure because the whole system is dirt simple!

Of course, throw a motor in it like my Mooney has, and despite being the same system otherwise, the emergency procedure is still more complicated than the newer Pipers!

My favorite was the plane I flew for my multi rating. It was an Apache with some STCs that had four different ways to get the gear down! Normal (hydraulic pump on left engine), almost-normal (electric hydraulic pump), factory abnormal (hand pump that'd put both the flaps and gear down - half flaps, then gear, then full flaps), and finally the "oh ****" CO2 blowdown. And the pilot is still the weakest link that'll cause all four to sit their waiting while he bellies it in. I wonder if the CO2 blowdown is powerful enough to pop the plane back up to standing on its legs?

Well I did have one time had a damaged power arm and had to use the backup left arm. Not sure would be considered an "emergency" as knew before departure.

 

[Ryan F.]

To be fair, you're comparing it with two of the most dirt-simple-to-extend airplanes there are. If there's an emergency gear procedure out there easier than the PA28R/PA32R/PA34/PA44, I haven't seen it.

Never done the Twinkie one, but now I want to.

Yes, that's fair. DA42 Twin Star is also very simple. BE-76 nearly as simple, turn a valve instead of pull out a plunger.

You don't see too many Barons or 310s used for multiengine training - yes, I'm sure there are some. But not at all typical.

In the practical sense, the TwinCo's system is the most, or nearly the most complicated among the "common" light piston twin trainers. Still, we need pilots to understand the system and be able to employ it.

 

[M20K]

My Mooney backup exactly same as main procedure ...

Johnson Bar????? The emergency gear extension is nothing like the normal gear extension in most of the other Mooneys. It's a LOT of pulls on the handle to get the gear down and you have to make sure you do NOT over extend.

 

[MauleSkinner]

One of my favorite checkride questions to ask is, “have we got a checklist for that?” I get a lot of blank stares.

And yes, I’ve had malfunctions for which a checklist existed that I was unaware of (or couldn’t find.) Saves me from lying awake at night coming up with checkride scenarios.