If a person has a CFI and subsequently is qualified as a Part 135 instructor for his company in a multi-engine aircraft, can that training program and company qualification be used to add MEI to the certificate?
Part 135 Instructor - Add a rating to CFI?
- Thread starter PNWFlyer
- Start date
Kristin
Pattern Altitude
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2013
- Messages
- 1,610
- Location
- Twin Cities
- Display Name
Display name:
Kristin (The Aviatrix)
Not by itself. You still need to take the MEI checkride. There is no training requirement for an MEI. It is whatever it takes to get a CFI to endorse you to take the checkride.
Arnold
Cleared for Takeoff
I added mine during my ATP ride. I don't recall getting a sing off, but that was so long ago I don't have a very clear memory of it.
Kritchlow
Final Approach
- Joined
- Dec 2, 2014
- Messages
- 7,728
- Display Name
Display name:
Kritchlow
It was different many years ago. I actually got my MEI during a FAA line check while flying for an old commuter airline.... and I was not a company IP.
I didn’t even ask for it. Literally the inspector just handed me my temporary. People on board and everything. I then asked if he could add my CFII. He asked if I had the written done. If I did, I would have got that as well.
Arnold
Cleared for Takeoff
The good old days.
luvflyin
Touchdown! Greaser!
Isn't the Company breaking some rule? Qualifying you to instruct without the appropriate FAA Certifications.
Kritchlow
Final Approach
- Joined
- Dec 2, 2014
- Messages
- 7,728
- Display Name
Display name:
Kritchlow
FAA says you can instruct for 135 & 121 with an ATP certificate.
Someone please correct me if that has changed.
Arnold
Cleared for Takeoff
I don't believe that has changed and I think was the reason why they gave me the MEI.
Arnold
Cleared for Takeoff
No. You are not instructing for the purpose of issuance of a certificate or rating.
MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
No. The company training manual outlines the requirements for a company instructor. Generally speaking, if you don’t hold a flight instructor certificate you’ll have to meet similar training requirements, but a flight instructor certificate isn’t part of that process.
Even for issuance of a certificate or rating (often the case with initial airline training), if that certificate or rating is part of the company training program, an instructor certificate isn’t required.
luvflyin
Touchdown! Greaser!
MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
But no, you can get a single-engine ATP.
Arnold
Cleared for Takeoff
I believe the folks who drive FeEx caravans are required to have S.E. ATP.
luvflyin
Touchdown! Greaser!
MauleSkinner
Touchdown! Greaser!
An ATP used to be a requirement for scheduled 135 ops, but I can’t find that it is anymore.
I am one of those. No such requirement, just commercial and 1200 minimum hours (135.243)
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Arnold
Cleared for Takeoff
I stand corrected. Thanks.
Kristin
Pattern Altitude
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2013
- Messages
- 1,610
- Location
- Twin Cities
- Display Name
Display name:
Kristin (The Aviatrix)
The OP didn't say anything about a checkride with the fed. All he mentioned was qualifying as a 135 instructor, which does not require a checkride of any sort, at least it didn't under the OpSpecs and GOM's that I have worked with.
jayhawk74
Pre-takeoff checklist
- Joined
- Feb 12, 2018
- Messages
- 271
- Display Name
Display name:
jayhawk74
A line check is not a check ride in the normal sense. It is a normal flight with passengers from point A to B. In my case, back, when I was flying for a commuter, our Company's POI was riding from MHT to BOS to ISP and along the way he was giving me line check (something only Captains needed). I flew from MHT to BOS and he reinstated my expired CFI. The FO flew from BOS to ISP and while enroute, since I was a MEI, he had me sign an 8710 that he had filled out for the FO so that the POI could add a MEI to the FO's CFI. This was back in the early 90s when things were easier.
Doc Holliday
En-Route
14 CFR Part 135.299.
It's required to be given by a FAA Approved Check Airman or an Inspector. It has to be satisfactory, and it must be documented and has a time limitation.
So that makes it a "check ride" in my book.
martym
Pre-takeoff checklist
I flew for a FedEx Caravan operator for 8 yrs and I don't have a S.E. ATP.
martym
Pre-takeoff checklist
A failure is PRIA reportable as a failed checkride.