OPEN THE SCHOOLS?

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    I think the idea behind closing schools is they are a great place to transmit the virus from one child to dozens or hundreds of other children. Then, the newly infected children take the virus home and transmit it to their families, which is exactly what you don't want to happen.
     
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    Exactly.
     
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    They were not trying to protect the kids, they were trying to protect Grandma...from the kids.

    ...and the faculty.

    Kids are like dogs, pure germ monsters.
     
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    More like rats.
     
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    It’s not really different from any other cold. Every day kids go to school, they’re bringing germs home and if they go hug grandma, she gets sick and could die. What we do otherwise is practice discipline and don’t take the kids when they’re not feeling well.

    That is what we will do in the future too.
     
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    Schools have always been a bug breeding ground. it’s not the kids catching this bug, it’s them bringing it home.
     
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    stupid idea.....keep them closed for a few weeks.
     
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    Are the kids going to have teachers too? Administrators? Cafeteria and janitorial personnel? Any of you 60+ people willing to fill in for them?
     
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    Self quarantine the kids, faculty, and staff in the schools. They have cafeterias, and showers in the locker rooms. As long as the virus isn’t in there, they won’t catch it.

    It would be it’s own neighborhood refugee camp.



    Sarcasm aside, there are a lot of different ways to separate the sick from the healthy.
     
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    There's two times (pre-COVID) we tended to get sick: First was when my wife was teaching. She referred to her students as her little disease vectors. The other is when we hang around our young grandchildren.
     
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    like hepatitis outbreaks at daycares transmitting to parents.
     
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    Our schools are closed through the end of the year. Our girls' preschool (which is considered a daycare facility) was allowed to stay open, but opted to close for 30 days because the teachers felt that the government wasn't providing sufficient support to ensure the teachers didn't get infected (no tests unless you got hospitalized, etc.).

    The logic I think is sound behind closing them. Kids are germ factories and just not having them around eachother will absolutely slow the spread of any illness.
     
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    My niece in Duval County Florida is a first grade public school teacher. My sister-in-law (a retired teacher) says my niece is teaching her class using some sort of multipoint video teleconferencing setup.

    We absolutely need to keep the schools closed, but that doesn't mean the kids can't still attend classes remotely.
     
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    My daughter teaches high school and college in Kansas. Her college announced a while ago they would go online after an extended spring break. Those online classes begin today.

    All public K-12 schools in the state are closed for the remainder of the year. Spring breaks have also been extended so the school faculty and districts can figure out how to go online. My daughter is in meetings now, and for the rest of the week, to figure out how they are going to do this. In her case, she already had a head start getting her teaching tools, references, and curriculum shifted to an online format for her college course, so she's a little bit ahead of the game. They pretty much are scrambling all over the state in every district right now to not only come up with a plan, but to test it for some amount of time before they go live with it.

    @Ted DuPuis : Parents should be getting info this week. Each district is expected to come up with a plan that works best for that district. This is not a one-size-fits-all solution and districts are being given the flexibility to work it out for themselves.

    Some districts, like mine, are considered "rich", but many, like my daughter's, are not. A lot of what the districts work out is going to have to take into account the ability of their students to be able to go online.

    A big concern is towards not only this year's seniors, but also the juniors. If the seniors can't graduate on time, or can't complete the year with the proper credits, I really wonder how many will simply drop out and either get a GED later in life or not at all. Juniors may not be affected as heavily this year, but if they can't complete a class and then have to make it up next year they may end up a class short or have to take a summer class to make it up. Then they are going to be the ones likely to drop out as seniors.

    In my daughter's school they have a good, smart, well adjusted senior that has a D-I football scholarship waiting. I sure hope he doesn't miss out on that because he can't get a particular class completed on time and then is declared academically ineligible by the NCAA.
     
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    Schools here are closed. Except for morning, noon and mid afternoon so the kids can get their breakfast, lunch and mid afternoon snack.

    Our less than stellar governor ordered all non-essential business to close, then put out a list of essential business. A list of non-essential business would be much shorter.

    The empty dress governor also mandated an order that all groups larger than 5 WILL BE prosecuted.

    So much for families with more than 5 members....
     
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    2021 school uniforms:

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    Except SARS will kill more than just granny. 40% of those hospitalized (and they are only hospitalizing the truly sick) are under age 50. Yeah, that death rate is much higher for granny, but the misery can strike anyone.
     
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    No pay for officials that deem your business "non-essential". I'm pretty sure they are "essential" for people who require them to pay bills.
    This is not shared sacrifice, as they will continue to pick your pocket.
     
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    Around here 10 is the magic number, but I had a similar concern regarding large families. Our nanny has 7 kids (6 of whom live at home). So they're under that magic 10 number, but not by much.
     
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    Families don't count in Ohio's restrictions; don't know about other states. The in-laws were just about to visit when the lock-down was mandated. I like them, but not several weeks worth of like.
     
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    Families who live in the same home are specifically exempt from all social distancing restrictions in Wisconsin as well:

    "except that they do not need to maintain social distancing between family members in a single living unit or household members."

    This is from the order, issued today and effective at 8 AM tomorrow, extending for the next 30 days.
     
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    There are seven different kinds of human coronaviruses. Any one of them can be transmitted to granny and kill her with different levels of threat. SARS-COV-2 is in the middle in terms of danger. There are also other non-conronaviruses which are more lethal.

    As I tried to explain to my wife 30 minutes ago, the mere statement "40% of the hospitalized are young people" is meaningless and can be explained by the young continuing life as normal for a longer period, thus becoming much more likely to be infected. It infers nothing about the youth mortality rate, it only says that everyone can get sick. Comorbidities, including age, AIDs, diabetes, and heart conditions seem to be the most important factor in the seriousness of the disease.
     
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    Im good with ending state run schools all together.
     
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    Keep the schools closed. It's not like the little monsters are learning anything anyway...
     
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    Lol, well as much as I understand that statement, I know a lot of people I consider to lack common sense and a minimum standard of education. Those same people would be in charge of educating their own children at home. Most probably couldn't afford to pay for private school. So we'd end up with the morons teaching the next generation . . . at least teachers generally have some minimum standard of knowledge and curriculum.
     
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    I am guessing that families are exempted here as well. It just wasn't specified unless a change was made today.
     
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    This is a much more accurate distribution than the "40% of hospitalized". Especially can compare ICU admissions:

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    It was specified in the paper copy of the exec order...
     
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    I get that not everyone is impacted by this virus the same but can we do ourselves a favor a be specific in our takes?!?! Sweeping statements and major generalizations don’t help anyone and frankly come across as insulting to those of us from highly impacted areas. I’m from Long Island where approximately 1 in 1000 people are currently infected. The conditions are so bad that they are bringing reefer trucks to hospitals to store the dead bodies and according to Fox News last night, the doctors describe the situation in hospitals as “hell.” So for those that are continuing to try and make claims that this response is overreacting I’d ask you to look beyond your bubble.

    As far as schools go, I’m a high school teacher closed until April 21st. These are really tough times for us in education as no one really believes these distance learning models are good or sustainable for anyone. They place the teachers in the environment of having limited to no connection with the students, the students can’t hang with their friends and learn and help each other, the related services kids need like Occupational Therapy or Speech therapy or counseling are all virtually impossible to carry out. This is far from a vacation for anyone involved. That being said, the idea of opening schools because kids don’t die from this disease is simply absurd as almost anyone above has already illustrated. I’m not going to repeat their arguments but the one thing I’ll add is, basically everyone in education wants to go back to teaching in the classroom. That’s where we do our best work.

    I really hope high school seniors get to have a real graduation ceremony. It’s a really big part of their lives and symbolic on so many levels.
     
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    It's times like these where I am so happy my wife and I decided not to have kids.
     
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    IIRC, I think the epidemiology simulations showed that school closures had only a modest effect on viral transmission rates. Large scale social isolation was the most effective. However, out of an abundance of caution, and grasping for any little bit of reduction of viral transmission rates, many states have closed schools for the time being. Colleges and Universities might be a little different, as those populations are more mobile, and are capable of travel-based seeding of new outbreaks.
     
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    And in other media sources they aren't showing what you are claiming. Right now NY has had just over 500 deaths. This number is well below the capacity of all the various morgues, unless there is a sudden acceleration in non virus deaths. Other sources are showing that the hospitals are running fine and have not exceeded critical beds.
     
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    It’s a shame that some schools have cancelled the remaining semester completely.

    Here the school district started spring break a week early (last week), then they have spring break (this week), and get back to the books a few days later than normal next Wednesday via online learning.

    Such a waste. At least salvage what you can. Everyone compromise and go online for now. I don’t understand it, but maybe someone can explain it and I’ll change my opinion.
     
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    My daughter is a teacher in central Ohio. She believes the governor will keep the schools closed the rest of the year. Especially now that they are up and running on line.
     
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    Ok so you believe the fake reports and I’ll believe the real ones. The media source I’m quoting by the way is Dr. Birx who uses the 1 in 1000 number two days ago, so if you think she’s making the numbers up then fine. Again it’s not my job to convince people who are living in your little bubble the situation is serious. I have someone I know in the situation directly and the report this person gave me confirms the situation as terrible. I’m just really curious what satisfaction people seem to get from marginalizing the impacts here in New York. Honestly if you don’t live here I’m curious why you even care to contribute to the “it’s no big deal” type of mindset. Do you think people are making this up?
     
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    All hospitals? I heard some are being overwhelmed (mostly the poorer sections) but most are doing fine and are doing their best to help those hospitals that are being overwhelmed by sharing their doctors and other resources.
     
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    Again I’ve encouraged people to not be making big statements like “all hospitals”. I said hospitals meaning their are hospitals that are in bad shape and some in less bad shape but all are struggling. The person I heard of is an executive director for a hospital out on Long Island and this person said they are at capacity and dealing with people who are dying. Again, I’m just providing my experience to this discussion. I get that not everyone’s is the same.
     
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