Oil change or not?

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Due to weather and my schedule, the last oil change on the cherokee was last July at the last annual. The oil is still "gold" in color. Less than 10 hrs on the oil.

Filter & oil change next week at the annual or not?
 
Due to weather and my schedule, the last oil change on the cherokee was last July at the last annual. The oil is still "gold" in color. Less than 10 hrs on the oil.

Filter & oil change next week at the annual or not?
Go fly the aircraft 30-40 hours before the annual?
A oil change is part of the annual inspection. Or least cut open the oil filter to inspect the engine.
 
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Due to weather and my schedule, the last oil change on the cherokee was last July at the last annual. The oil is still "gold" in color. Less than 10 hrs on the oil.

Filter & oil change next week at the annual or not?
I personally try to adhere to the 50 hours or 4 month limit, whichever occurs first. I'm not sure there's any particularly good science behind the latter, but I try to fly enough that I'm at least 25+ hours on the oil so it doesn't feel too wasteful.
 
I personally don't worry too much about the date of an oil change unless the hours are getting high. At 10 hours I probably wouldn't change it. If it was closer to 40 I probably would.
 
In a car, definitely not. In this case though, I would change it. The crankcase of an airplane is open to the air, and theoretically the oil can oxidize. Is it really an issue? Probably not until it's a few years old. I have tractors with open crankcases that have 10 year old oil in them. BUT, those don't fall out of the sky if they fail, and as mentioned above, oil change is required at annual. My IA will let me get away without changing it at annual if it only has 10 hours, but I fly ~150 hours a year, so he knows it was changed and inspected recently.
 
I'm not an A&P, but I would include the oil and filter change during the annual. (edit to clarify: I deliberately said "annual" rather than "annual inspection")

cheap insurance. (ok, nothing in aviation is cheap, but you get the point)
 
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Actually it’s not at all. It’s owner discretion item.
Technically, an oil CHANGE is not required, but part 43 does require inspecting screens and sump drain plugs at annual/100hr:
(3) Internal engine—for cylinder compression and for metal particles or foreign matter on screens and sump drain plugs. If there is weak cylinder compression, for improper internal condition and improper internal tolerances.
So you could put the old oil back in. At that point, I'd just as soon change it.
 
Technically, an oil CHANGE is not required, but part 43 does require inspecting screens and sump drain plugs at annual/100hr:

So you could put the old oil back in. At that point, I'd just as soon change it.
Exactly. I don’t like picking nits, but some times I can’t resist. ;)
 
I personally try to adhere to the 50 hours or 4 month limit, whichever occurs first. I'm not sure there's any particularly good science behind the latter, but I try to fly enough that I'm at least 25+ hours on the oil so it doesn't feel too wasteful.
FWIW: the 4 month limit is based on two issues. One, any combustion by-product in the oil will breakdown into acidic elements which is why certain oil additive packages are alkaline based. Unfortunately, over time those additives are consumed or neutralized which allows the acidic particles to attack metal surfaces. The 2nd issue is internal corrosion prevention as a lack of operation can leave internal metal surfaces exposed to the atmosphere. For reference, the flyable storage recommendations are one flight hour per 30 days which also takes into account the 4-month oil change recommendation. So in some cases, the calendar oil change limit can actually be more important than the hour limit. For example, if you run unleaded fuel in your Lycoming you can extend the hour limit to 50/100 hrs but it still keeps the 4 month limit.
 
FWIW: the 4 month limit is based on two issues. One, any combustion by-product in the oil will breakdown into acidic elements which is why certain oil additive packages are alkaline based. Unfortunately, over time those additives are consumed or neutralized which allows the acidic particles to attack metal surfaces. The 2nd issue is internal corrosion prevention as a lack of operation can leave internal metal surfaces exposed to the atmosphere. For reference, the flyable storage recommendations are one flight hour per 30 days which also takes into account the 4-month oil change recommendation. So in some cases, the calendar oil change limit can actually be more important than the hour limit. For example, if you run unleaded fuel in your Lycoming you can extend the hour limit to 50/100 hrs but it still keeps the 4 month limit.
If I'm running an engine dehydrator, does that change the math significantly? I'm deploying in about a month so the plane will sit for maybe six months. She has fresh oil (just changed it a couple of days ago). I'm hoping that maybe dessicant spark plugs and the engine dehydrator (Black Max) will minimize engine corrosion. The only other alternative is to have someone else fly her intermittently, and that gives me the heebie-jeebies.
 
Oil and filter cost how much?

Engine overhaul costs how much?
 
Oil and filter cost how much?

Engine overhaul costs how much?

also consider how long it takes for an oil and filter change vs the length of time it takes for an engine overhaul
 
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