Oh no I did it again

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by cowman, Jan 10, 2019.

  1. hindsight2020

    hindsight2020 En-Route

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    I def second the removal of one of the middle row seats as shown in the pics. A fairly common setup that increases comfort and baggage room for a 2+2 or even 4 adult mission. I personally would prefer to remove the left middle one, but right middle works just as well as long as the pilot is ok with limited recline on a long flight.
     
  2. Eric Lehto

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    So, as an owner of a plane with a driver's side door.....how can there be that many openings in the fuselage, but no door for the pilot in command?
     
  3. BrianNC

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    There was an ad back in the 80s of them putting an upright piano in one and flying off.
     
  4. BrianNC

    BrianNC Pattern Altitude

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  5. Justin M

    Justin M Pre-takeoff checklist

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    Makes me wish for a Saratoga.
     
  6. kayoh190

    kayoh190 En-Route PoA Supporter

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    Badass, cowman. Congrats!
     
  7. Skyrys62

    Skyrys62 Pattern Altitude PoA Supporter

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    Congrats!

    Now you REALLY have to come pick me up.

    ps...hope you don't mind the right seat ;)
     
  8. jordane93

    jordane93 Final Approach

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    Beautiful. Enjoy!
     
  9. GRG55

    GRG55 Final Approach

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    It's one of many derivatives of the original 1961 Cherokee 160. Which only had one cabin door on the RH side.

    Cessna got it right with two doors. But then screwed up royally and put the wing in the wrong place. ;)
     
  10. asicer

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    Beech got the right number of doors and the wing location, but then screwed up royally by making it slow. ;)
     
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  11. Skywalker

    Skywalker Line Up and Wait

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    Cool!!! Congratulations!
     
  12. Twin_Flyer

    Twin_Flyer Cleared for Takeoff

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    Nice bird. Congratulations...:cheers: Enjoy!!!
     
  13. cowman

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    Hey a question for you guys.... plane has this sticker on it. Previos owner said he’s gotten it because he went to Canada a lot.... do I need to renew/update/remove or do anything with that sticker?
     
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  14. Magnus P.IFR

    Magnus P.IFR Pre-Flight

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    Has to be renewed annually.
     
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    Unless you plan to leave the country with the plane then Id take it off. Otherwise file for a new one.
     
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  16. iamtheari

    iamtheari Pattern Altitude

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    Correct. I got the 2018 sticker for my Arrow and then never used it. I have to decide between buying a 2019 sticker or taking the old one off. Expired stickers bug me.
     
  17. mkosmo

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    I want one!

    What's the useful load actually look like for a Lance? I've never really looked at them before. How's it compare to the other similar 6-seat players?
     
  18. OkieFlyer

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    Holy crap @cowman !!! That's freakin' awesome.

    I can't begin to express how jealous I am. I need one of those babies.
     
  19. flyingcheesehead

    flyingcheesehead Touchdown! Greaser!

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    Or, you'll have a good excuse to upgrade to an A36. Or a B58. :D
     
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  20. SWOdaile

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    Congrats! I loves my Lance!
     
  21. Lowflynjack

    Lowflynjack Pattern Altitude

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    Nice plane! My friend just bought a Turbo T-tail Lance II and it's a beast! You can fly with the baggage doors off, up to 140 kts, so it will be used as a photo plane. I'd never flown any Lances, but I can say that flying the t-tail is strange. The elevator doesn't become effective until about 70, and when landing, it always seems to run out of authority just as you touch down. In other words, you can't hold the nose up at all once you touch down. I think I wore out the electric trim button on the yoke!

    I do like the t-tail for photography, since it gets it out of my way, but your plane looks so much better!
     
  22. SWOdaile

    SWOdaile Filing Flight Plan

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    1380# +/- Take out rear and middle seats, it goes up. With full fuel, subtract 588 for 98 gallons. Still leaves a lot of hauling capacity.
     
  23. mkosmo

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    Wow! 792 full-fuel useful still makes for a decent 2-4 person airplane (depending on how well fed we are) on a long haul.
     
  24. SWOdaile

    SWOdaile Filing Flight Plan

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    True about the T-tail up to a point. I don't think of it as strange, but maybe it's because I'm used to it. It does require some awareness, but I think the benefits are worth the trade offs. It's a really smooth ride and a joy to fly.
     
  25. Lowflynjack

    Lowflynjack Pattern Altitude

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    Different is the word I should have used! Took me a few landings to get used to. It does seem to lower the value when comparing it to a similar plane without the t-tail, which is why my friend was able to afford one! They seem to be really nice planes.
     
  26. hindsight2020

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    People keep talking about the t tail discount, I don't see it. Turbo discount yes, but NA t-tails go for as much as straight tails in my almost two year look of the type.

    Great airplane, it's a stretch arrow after all. :D

    Slight nit pick. 4 of those gallons are unusable, so they're part of the empty weight of the aircraft. They're not part of the useful load.
     
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  27. SWOdaile

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    Ah yes... you are correct.
     
  28. edo2000

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    That thing is beautiful! And very capable. I'm envious. :)