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Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by SixPapaCharlie, Dec 6, 2019.
For that reason?
I make more than I should....said no one ever.
At our place we just talk about people’s salary grade. You can tell from their title in the org charts. Most people know the ranges of the grades but can’t pinpoint where you would be in that range. So most chat is “I can’t believe that person is a [salary grade].”
That is still an airplane in at least 41 of the 50 states!
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I’ve worked at companies with that talk. However at those places I normally felt the griping was because they felt that [person] didn’t do good enough work to earn that.
Sounds like the federal civil service.
If you say so.
no worries....I work for the man....and we don't make anything....cept paper.
During my working career I never discussed how much I made with any coworkers. I figured it would probably lead to hard feelings one way or another.
One thing that bugs me about incomes in the workforce generally is the disparity between men and women who are equally qualified by experience, education, productivity, and job description, but women nearly always make a fraction of what men make. The same disparity exists among employees with different racial backgrounds.
I believe in equal pay for equal work.
AMUs spent on airplane in any one year
+ CSP (compensatory spousal purchases - ie baubles etc)
+ stupid stuff like food, gas, insurance, house payments etc
=Total Income for that year.
(any excess should rightly go into the EAF emergency airplane fund, of course)
Bryan, let talk about the real issue here, You share your financial information with your Wife? So now she knows how much you spend on flying! You Fool! LOL Seriously, I would not worry about it. You weren’t bragging it was a slip of the lip. I have an Aussie pilot friend who told me he found it odd how Americans won’t share how much they make. He told me in Australia its a very common thing and no one thinks twice about it.
After correction for seniority and hours worked.
Every place I’ve ever worked had a pay grade system. My college flight instructing gig was based on which certificate you had, airline was based on years of service and my current job is the GS scale.
Only way to be off sequence in our office is a Quality Step Increase. Which are as plentiful as magic fairy dust...
Hey, it's almost that time of the year, again, to start comparing profit-sharing checks! LOL
For those who are interested in the "pay gap" issue, this Freakanomics podcast episode on the topic is quite interesting.
Because my Dad started a civil engineering company I was eventually put in a management position at a much younger age than most people in that industry. I worked hard and I was good at it, but I had a few people below me in "rank" at the company that made more than me. And I kept giving them raises cause they deserved it. I didn't throw a fit about it, those people had been with the company since its beginning.
Most do. Maybe all do.
The reality is that the highest paying fields - engineering, business, finance, medicine, etc. are dominated by males, because men (boys?) are the ones who take those paths in college. That creates an inequality. Another difference is that many women self-select out of the fast track with family decisions. That's fine, but if you sideline your career for a few years, it is hard to catch up. You'll generally be behind your similarly aged (but more experienced) male counterparts. I can think of multiple talented women I've worked with in my career who detoured their career path for family reasons. I can't think of a single male counterpart who has done that.
I have met 2 kinds of folks that talk about their pay.
1. Those who won't say what they make.
2. Those who lie about what they make...
I can think of a few. In one case, the mom is an upper level exec in a pharma company while the dad is a rank&file software guy.
When you fly a Grumman, it doesn't matter what you make.
I know it happens, but the percentages say the wife is more likely to take the career hiatus.
I do too. I’m tired of airplane discrimination. If I do 5 legs a day in a 74 passenger jet I should make the same as some ******* doing one or two legs in an Airbus. I’m white and have a penis. So far I’ve never been on the good side of the patriarchy. I picked the wrong career I guess.
Worked as a USAF Engineer where everybody knew what everybody made and nobody gave a s***. Worked as a consultant and nobody knew what I or anybody else made except the client and the consultant and nobody gave a s***.
I know several who have.
I agree, but not just for family reasons. I find it interesting that we tell prospective professional pilots the exact opposite when asking about degrees. The conventional wisdom is to get a degree unrelated to 'professional piloting' so that if/when you're furloughed you have something to fall back on - and at least one manager has stated that it's possible to catch up even in a highly technical field with 'a couple of classes'. The dichotomy is interesting.
who knows not to feed canned chili to a baby
Roughly five years ago, my 29yr old son landed a job at a NJ company and he's one of the top coders. Being somewhat of a computer gaming knucklehead in high school, I was a little worried about him, however, he took that love and turned it into a successful career after college.
When he landed that job, I couldn't help but be proud, so I slipped up and asked him how much he made. He chuckled as he declined to answer.
My daughter (31) is a self employed professional artist and art teacher who gives webinars and travels the country giving art classes. I'm too afraid to even think about asking her that question lol
Both of them are smarter than their dad. They didn't have kids in their twenties.
Keeping your pay secret helps HR and management by allowing lowballing some people for whatever reason. Unfortunately, telling your salary to coworkers (or others) creates resentment on their part or yours. For this reason, I never tell anyone what I make and I never ask.
Im one of those weirdos who never cared if people knew what i made. I come from a family where on one side im poor white trash and the other side im now the rich airline pilot.
I think as long as your humble about how much you make or not embarrassed about how little you make then people dont care too much.
Im a huge fan of sharing salary between coworkers though. Mgmt hates that and ive seen it cause an increase in pay.
Bryan, just share the video. You record everything.
It is not what you make, it is what you keep.
I was wrong. Its more like 5-6% after adjusting for lifestyle choices. The data shows that the gap is negligible when comparing men and women who never had kids. It starts diverging once family choices come into play.
Plenty of others who come to a similar conclusion.
5-6% 'unexplained' differential that could be due to bias is not good and not fair. But its a far cry from the claimed 25 and 30% numbers. Women often choose jobs that pay less, decide to take off for kids and decide to work less demanding schedules to balance work and child-rearing or elder care obligations. Sure, maybe there is still a hiring manager out there who decides to offer a lower salary to a woman, but I doubt that its a major factor.
I make about 12 times what my Dad did at my age.
It's pretty much meaningless, since there is a 40 year difference...
so we should all pay male and female strippers the same? Pointing it out because the pay gap there is reversed and male strippers make significantly less.
Well played sir!
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Everyone just adds about 25% to their actual pay anyway so there’s no point in asking what a coworker makes. Everyone should have a visible rank insignia just like in the military so I can look up what they make online.
I'd love to jump into this one, but I do believe a spanking from mods should be coming soon, as this is a highly political topic which everyone knows. If it isn't I'll jump in in a few days.
WOW! Women make only 3% of what men make? I had no idea!
yup....but, that difference is in the noise.
Does that include the CFI money?
1. Those who don’t say what they make.
2. Those who don’t make what they say.
If women were actually being paid less for equal work, every company would be hiring exclusively women. Why would they pay more for the same value?