My love / hate feelings for locked threads...

steingar said:
I did and was told I wasn't good enough.
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I think they meant you were too good. wayyy too good to be on a PoA panel. so good that it just wouldn't be fair to them. I mean, you fly a MOONEY for cryin out loud. they aren't worthy!

or something like that.
 
Rushie said:
T-paper roll: over/under
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How about just avoiding the argument altogether....

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Apologies up front for the long reply; I appreciate your taking time to read it from the perspective of a discussion and not a rebuttal, even though at times I may sound that way. If nothing else, please read the last para.
ETA: I’m not an MC member, nor have ever been one and do not speak for them or the site owners.

PlasticCigar said:
Just because you’re not legally required to do something doesn’t mean you can’t do it because it’s the right thing to do.
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Ah yes; the good old aspirational plea. I believe you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom of speech means with regard to protected speech.

PlasticCigar said:
…If I see you walking down the street, it’s perfectly legal for me to yell an expletive and spit at the ground, yet that’s not a behavior that most people find desirable or acceptable…
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Given that example, there’s appears to be projection bias that behaviors you judge undesirable or unacceptable are also what the greatest amount of people also judge to be undesirable or unacceptable. I’m going to expound a second here on your example above to make a point re: interpretation of the written word. Neat example lacking a lot of context. In real life, there are verbal and nonverbal cues that provide additional context surrounding the entire event. For example, if you see me walking down the street kicking every other puppy dog, depending on the expletive used, the emotion involved, and a whole host of other factors to judge whether or not your behavior is acceptable or not. But just a slight tweak to the real life scenario is in order. In this example, you are walking down the street entirely naked, disheveled, reeking of alcohol, yelling expletives and spitting on the sidewalk. It’s not the yelling of expletives and spitting that others may find unacceptable.

PlasticCigar said:
…If you’re saying that the goal of POA is to intentionally provide a politically-biased, censored aviation related forum where rules are inconsistently enforced based on moderators beliefs and values then I agree that that is entirely within the terms of service and legal — let’s just be up front about it and call a spade a spade…
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That was never said and potentially an indication of some unconscious bias on your part; it reminds me of the phrase about knowing what pornography is when you see it, or maybe, just maybe, there is an expectation for the mighty ban hammer to publicly swing at every shade of nail you perceive. To that end, I’m reminded of the adage to praise in public but punish in private, which mods can do via pm. To that end, the I assume MC here has neither the bandwidth, time, nor cognitive ability to identify the same posts you identify as being an affront to the terms and conditions. The saving grace is that every single post here has a button to report. As a user, you have a responsibility to identify posts that may be in violation. Once the post is reported, it is then an MC responsibility to action.

PlasticCigar said:
…Several members (some repeatedly today) have made several statements clearly in violations of these rules, sometimes explicitly stating they are doing so in order to shut down a thread and end a discussion. Several of these members repeatedly receive “likes” from the moderators. It seems that if the enforcement of these rules was consistent and unbiased then these “repeat offenders” (online bullies) who gang up on people and say inappropriate things until the threads get locked would be unable to do so. Clearly they are not only able to do so, it flaunt their ability to openly do it….
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What have you done to report the posts you find a violation of the terms and conditions/Rules of Conduct (ROC)? I’ll also remind you you have the ability to self-censor others through use of the ignore feature.

PlasticCigar said:
…I may have assumed that “Pilots of America” was intending to provide a space for all pilots of America to have a civil discussion, but it appears you’re saying it’s only here for a certain subset of the population who shares certain values (and some of those values that have been shared today include sexism and homophobia).
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I’ve lamented via pm with other users here that one reason I’ve backed away from engagement on POA is due to a growing sense the value of civil discourse has declined over last couple of years to the point that I rarely find enjoyment here. It’s for entirely different reasons than yours though and I have a responsibility to decide whether POA is worth it for me any longer.
 
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TCABM said:
Apologies up front for the long reply; I appreciate your taking time to read it from the perspective of a discussion and not a rebuttal, even though at times I may sound that way. If nothing else, please read the last para.
ETA: I’m not an MC member, nor have ever been one and do not speak for them or the site owners.


Ah yes; the good old aspirational plea. I believe you may have a fundamental misunderstanding of what freedom of speech means with regard to protected speech.



Given that example, there’s appears to be projection bias that behaviors you judge undesirable or unacceptable are also what the greatest amount of people also judge to be undesirable or unacceptable. I’m going to expound a second here on your example above to make a point re: interpretation of the written word. Neat example lacking a lot of context. In real life, there are verbal and nonverbal cues that provide additional context surrounding the entire event. For example, if you see me walking down the street kicking every other puppy dog, depending on the expletive used, the emotion involved, and a whole host of other factors to judge whether or not your behavior is acceptable or not. But just a slight tweak to the real life scenario is in order. In this example, you are walking down the street entirely naked, disheveled, reeking of alcohol, yelling expletives and spitting on the sidewalk. It’s not the yelling of expletives and spitting that others may find unacceptable.


That was never said and potentially an indication of some unconscious bias on your part; it reminds me of the phrase about knowing what pornography is when you see it, or maybe, just maybe, there is an expectation for the mighty ban hammer to publicly swing at every shade nail you perceive. To that end, I’m reminded of the adage to praise in public but punish in private, which mods can do via pm. To that end, the I assume MC here has neither the bandwidth, time, nor cognitive ability to identify the same posts you identify as being an affront to the terms and conditions. The saving grace is that every single post here has a button to report. As a user, you have a responsibility to identify posts that may be in violation. Once the post is reported, it is then an MC responsibility to action.



What have you done to report the posts you find a violation of the terms and conditions/Rules of Conduct (ROC)? I’ll also remind you you have the ability to self-censor others through use of the ignore feature.



I’ve lamented via pm with other users here that one reason I’ve backed away from engagement on POA is due to a growing sense the value of civil discourse has declined over last couple of years to the point that I rarely find enjoyment here. It’s for entirely different reasons than yours though and I have a responsibility to decide whether POA is worth it for me any longer.
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Proof that not all heros wear capes.
 
Having a dog trains you for having children.

Having a cat trains you for having teenagers....
 
kath said:
@PlasticCigar...Back to the funny stuff! "Slip to a landing" is the best crosswind technique.
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Speaking of which, yesterday I found out that doing an hour of pattern work which required exclusively right-wing-low slips can drain almost all the fuel out of a Citabria's left tank!
 
PlasticCigar said:
If you’re saying that the goal of POA is to intentionally provide a politically-biased, censored aviation related forum where rules are inconsistently enforced based on moderators beliefs and values then I agree that that is entirely within the terms of service and legal — let’s just be up front about it and call a spade a spade.
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No matter what happens, there's always a group of people who disagree with the direction of the board. I've realized that since joining the MC and seeing the things that go on behind the scenes, that it's very difficult to please everyone, although we really try our best. The hardest thing about trying to be consistent, is figuring out how to draw that arbitrary 'line in the sand' at the same point for each subject - it's not an easy thing to do. An example is that someone might use the word 'Democrat' or 'Republican' and then someone else will come along and report that just because one of those words was somewhere in the post and claim that it's political and want enforcement of the rules because of it. Point is, the use of those keywords alone doesn't make something political.

Furthermore, the pandemic and other social issues that have arose, makes things harder from a moderation perspective to find the right balance. We've seen how these subjects evolve into political debate, which end up creating ****ing matches that spill over into other non-related discussions, because someone has an axe to grind with someone else they disagree with. You could say "that's just how the internet works" and you would be right, but here on Pilots of America, we try to keep some level of civility to things. If you just have that burning desire to debate politics with people on the internet, there's other places to do so.

TCABM said:
I’ve lamented via pm with other users here that one reason I’ve backed away from engagement on POA is due to a growing sense the value of civil discourse has declined over last couple of years to the point that I rarely find enjoyment here. It’s for entirely different reasons than yours though and I have a responsibility to decide whether POA is worth it for me any longer.
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I know that we really appreciate you as a board member and hope you continue to find value in the content posted here. :)
 
RyanB said:
...someone might use the word 'Democrat' or 'Republican' and then someone else will come along and report that just because one of those words was somewhere in the post...
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RyanB said:
. . . An example is that someone might use the word 'Democrat' or 'Republican' and then someone else will come along and report that just because one of those words was somewhere in the post and claim that it's political and want enforcement of the rules because of it . . .
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I vote that you edit the forum software so that any reference to Republican or Democrat automatically substitutes those words with "thieving politician" and it should suffice for both. It's also more "woke" and all-inclusive. :)
 
SoonerAviator said:
I vote that you edit the forum software so that any reference to Republican or Democrat automatically substitutes those words with "thieving politician" and it should suffice for both. It's also more "woke" and all-inclusive. :)
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That's an idea! :p
 
Brilliant @tawood . Make the thread about thread locking. Then see how much lock worthy stuff gets through before it’s locked. Any other thread and some of the stuff here would have locked it long ago.
 
Considering the number of threads which devolve into useless repetition* even without the lack of self control which leads to political posts and name-calling, maybe all threads should automatically self-lock after 30 comments.

(*I am not excluding myself from guilt for that)
 
wsuffa said:
How about just avoiding the argument altogether....

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Great, you’re going to turn this into a left vs right argument. It always comes back to politics.

The real question is what you do when it comes off the roll. Do you wad it up into a bunch the way it was intended, or wrap it around your hand like some champagne sipping elitist? Or even worse, skip the TP altogether and use one of those short bathroom water fountains?

ETA: ;)
 
Arm3 said:
Great, you’re going to turn this into a left vs right argument. It always comes back to politics.

The real question is what you do when it comes off the roll. Do you wad it up into a bunch the way it was intended, or wrap it around your hand like some champagne sipping elitist? Or even worse, skip the TP altogether and use one of those short bathroom water fountains?

ETA: ;)
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None of the above. No wadding, no wrapping.
 
Arm3 said:
Great, you’re going to turn this into a left vs right argument. It always comes back to politics.

The real question is what you do when it comes off the roll. Do you wad it up into a bunch the way it was intended, or wrap it around your hand like some champagne sipping elitist? Or even worse, skip the TP altogether and use one of those short bathroom water fountains?

ETA: ;)
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Naw, I don't have a butt-washer. But I've been to plenty of laces in Asia that had the ones that washed-and-dried (and even had a button to make sounds I order to cover your naatural noises).
 
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