More Boeing Woes

I see reports that Indonesia (Garuda) is open to purchasing a new version of the Max 8 or different model of Boeing aircraft, just not the Max 8s.
 
Boeing needs to feel pain.....and have more fear. Maybe next time they'll do the right thing.
 
Well, Garuda has managed to crash a few airbus over the years so I'm not sure if they think that they will become a safe airline by cancelling this order.
 
Shepherd said:
That's not going to buff out easily.
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There's been a lot of posturing around this latest 737 accident. I would expect more of same just like the un precedent groundings. But the facts are still not known yet in Ethopia case. And we know in the Lion accident at least one pilot was able properly handle the same fault previously with no accident along with countless others in the last 2 years. Time will tell but I think Boeing and the Max are here to stay as Airbus and their issues have navigated similar waters.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
Boeing needs to feel pain.....and have more fear. Maybe next time they'll do the right thing.
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I'm afraid Boeing might be beyond saving. They company exhibits management for management, as well as being hooked on cronysm. Consider these:

- JSF: they largely peed it down their leg, because they thought it was "their turn" to get a contract after Lockheed won F-22.
- Tankers: yeah let's hook taxpayers on maintaining the 767 production line that was going to shut down as nobody was buying obsolete airplanes anymore
- CST-100: Started well when Bob Bigelow was the customer, but immediately started getting bloated and behind schedule when NASA dough rolled in
- Boeing is the prime contractor for SLS, the definition of pork. At least they could off-load that turd onto Northrop, who gets most benefit. But nope, too greedy for that.
- The idiotic attack on Bombardier that made them sell the C-series to Airbus. Way to shoot one's foot.
- And the most symptomatic: moving the HQ to Chicago. Airplanes and other real products are too boring, we want to be as insulated as possible.

I'm sure there's a ton more in drones and other areas. And someone needs to look into their symbiotic relationship with ExIm Bank. When the business of making airplanes becomes second to the business of corruption, things have to happen.
 
A330 had similar issue. I can’t believe that they would not have learned from that. There was an Australian one if I remember that had the same issue with angle of attack giving false data and pushing nose down.


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zaitcev said:
I'm afraid Boeing might be beyond saving
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Doubtful for a number of reasons. The most important one the global aviation industry would never allow Airbus to have that much power. Boeing has been through worse and even with the 737 on the rudder servo issue years ago. Besides the current opinion shown across numerous discussions by the airline pilots is over 60% believe this will end up being a training/experience fault in both accidents. And training/experience requirements are not Boeings responsibility. While Boeing does have some skin in this game I believe it's no where near a game changer at that level.
 
zaitcev said:
- And the most symptomatic: moving the HQ to Chicago.
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I was just itching to respond to your post with that as the crowning piece of data to prove your point. But you beat me to it. No good business reason to move a major manufacturing company's headquarters Chicago. Either the decision makers were bribed to make that decision, or they were too dumb to get paid to make that decision.
 
zaitcev said:
I'm afraid Boeing might be beyond saving. They company exhibits management for management, as well as being hooked on cronysm. Consider these:

- JSF: they largely peed it down their leg, because they thought it was "their turn" to get a contract after Lockheed won F-22.
- Tankers: yeah let's hook taxpayers on maintaining the 767 production line that was going to shut down as nobody was buying obsolete airplanes anymore
- CST-100: Started well when Bob Bigelow was the customer, but immediately started getting bloated and behind schedule when NASA dough rolled in
- Boeing is the prime contractor for SLS, the definition of pork. At least they could off-load that turd onto Northrop, who gets most benefit. But nope, too greedy for that.
- The idiotic attack on Bombardier that made them sell the C-series to Airbus. Way to shoot one's foot.
- And the most symptomatic: moving the HQ to Chicago. Airplanes and other real products are too boring, we want to be as insulated as possible.

I'm sure there's a ton more in drones and other areas. And someone needs to look into their symbiotic relationship with ExIm Bank. When the business of making airplanes becomes second to the business of corruption, things have to happen.
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Shack. Boeing stopped being an airplane making company a while ago. 100% on point.
 
The whole tanker issue just highlighted Boeing as being entitled
 
zaitcev said:
I'm afraid Boeing might be beyond saving. They company exhibits management for management, as well as being hooked on cronysm. Consider these:

- JSF: they largely peed it down their leg, because they thought it was "their turn" to get a contract after Lockheed won F-22.
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Anybody who thought Boeing had a snowball chance in hell of wining the JSF with that tu** of a design was smoking a substance I’m not familiar with. I told the Program Manager that when he did a visit to ask my opinion.
 
PPC1052 said:
I was just itching to respond to your post with that as the crowning piece of data to prove your point. But you beat me to it. No good business reason to move a major manufacturing company's headquarters Chicago. Either the decision makers were bribed to make that decision, or they were too dumb to get paid to make that decision.
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That one got me. Of course, I work for a company that sells its power plants to both Boeing and Airbus ... so I'm fully hedged.
 
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