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The vast majority of lunar impacts were not perpendicular. At the speeds/energy involved, craters will be round regardless of impact angle.

I'll take your word for it... guess Astrophysics science has its' own set of rules, and anomalies. At least relating to the shape of impact debris fields.
 
I don't accept the axiom that the only purpose of a space program is human survivability beyond earth.

In fact, if I were to accept an axiom, it would be that such a goal is an unattainable folly.

If you believe the former, then trying to get people to hide in bunkers on Mars makes sense. Though I would still wonder about who would want to sign up for such a miserable life. The closest thing we have to self contained life support systems currently are probably nuclear subs. It's not like you see sailors disembarking at the end of a nine month cruise, looking around the city, making a face and going "ugh, gross, I need to get back on the boat". Mars is a life sentence. Not a nine month cruise.
It's not about living in space if the Earth is wiped out. That would take FTL or multi-generation ships to another star, assuming there are Earth-like planets out there somewhere. Rather, it's about detecting and doing something about a great big incoming rock that could destroy civilization. The dinosaurs died because they didn't have a space program.
 
Ed Beach wrote several great books.

Run Silent, Run Deep was outstanding. I bought my copy while on a dive trip to North Carolina back in the '90s, and started reading it on the boat ride to dive the U-352. The book and memories of the dive are kinda wrapped together in my brain.
 
It wouldn't have worked anyway. No opposable thumbs, so they couldn't have opened up the Tang package let alone stirred it up. So no vitamin-C, so they get scurvy and die before they reach the next planet.
 
It's not about living in space if the Earth is wiped out. That would take FTL or multi-generation ships to another star, assuming there are Earth-like planets out there somewhere. Rather, it's about detecting and doing something about a great big incoming rock that could destroy civilization. The dinosaurs died because they didn't have a space program.
I think you have misunderstood my position. I'm strongly in favor of a space program at higher funding levels that currently exist. I'm mostly against manned spaceflight because it is an extremely inefficient use of funds. We aren't going to send a person out to intercept an astroid (with apologies to Bruce Willis). Give me ten times more robotic missions to explore the solar system, deep space asteroid monitors and interceptor missions and I'm very happy.

How would they have saved themselves if they'd had a space program?
In four years when the movie based on this concept comes out, I'm blaming you.
 
Don't deride me! I don't remember the name of the book I read about 10-15 years ago. Humans installed a base on the moon with frozen, fertilized human embryos. If the base ever stopped receiving communications from earth, it would unfreeze embryos and start the maturation process. Robots would raise them until they were old enough to be transported back to earth to recolonize. Lot's of challenges of course but cool idea.
 
Don't deride me! I don't remember the name of the book I read about 10-15 years ago. Humans installed a base on the moon with frozen, fertilized human embryos. If the base ever stopped receiving communications from earth, it would unfreeze embryos and start the maturation process. Robots would raise them until they were old enough to be transported back to earth to recolonize. Lot's of challenges of course but cool idea.
Somewhere I read a serious discussion about off planet births and citizenship. I don’t know maritime law: if someone is born at sea or on an aircraft, in international waters or airspace, are they a citizen of the flag on the vessel?
 
Somewhere I read a serious discussion about off planet births and citizenship. I don’t know maritime law: if someone is born at sea or on an aircraft, in international waters or airspace, are they a citizen of the flag on the vessel?
It depends on the law of the country you want to be a citizen of. There no such general rule.
 
If the base ever stopped receiving communications from earth, it would unfreeze embryos and start the maturation process. Robots would raise them until they were old enough to be transported back to earth to recolonize.
Or more likely to be immediately killed by whatever it was that caused the communication from Earth to stop in the first place…
 
Well, they'd load up two of every variety of dinosaur, male and female of each, onto this biiiiiig rocket, and.....

What if the bibilical story of the ark was about a spaceship from another planet...

I think you have misunderstood my position. I'm strongly in favor of a space program at higher funding levels that currently exist. I'm mostly against manned spaceflight because it is an extremely inefficient use of funds. We aren't going to send a person out to intercept an astroid (with apologies to Bruce Willis). Give me ten times more robotic missions to explore the solar system, deep space asteroid monitors and interceptor missions and I'm very happy.


In four years when the movie based on this concept comes out, I'm blaming you.

Jurassic Park: Armaggeddon (in theaters 2026)

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So all the Loonies claiming to be "Sovereign Citizens" are really Moonies?
 
Toilets, asteroids, extinction, dinosaurs….
 

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Run Silent, Run Deep was outstanding. I bought my copy while on a dive trip to North Carolina back in the '90s, and started reading it on the boat ride to dive the U-352. The book and memories of the dive are kinda wrapped together in my brain.
IIRC, Beach was the skipper of USS Triton, the atomic-powered submarine that made the first submerged circumnavigation of the Earth (in the conventional sense, not the hard-a-port at the pole kind). Only surfaced once, to medevac a sick sailor. "Around the World Submerged" was the title of that book, I think....

He's no Dan Gallery, but few are....

Ron "Fatso is my hero" Wanttaja
 
<head shake> Sad and misanthropic. You have my pity.
:) Maybe I could have phrased it better. I said I wasn't sure, not that I was certain. There's an emotional implication there that I don't think fits. I believe the great majority of people have genuinely good intentions. But as a group, we're kind of a mess and always have been. If we were cattle, I'd describe it as moving close to being on a feed lot vs happy cows grazing in a field.

I was going to quote that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, and found out from uncle Google that the concept may go back to an 1790 speech by an Irishman named John Philpot Curran as "The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance". Which is maybe a better way to express it. My take on that is that assuming that everything is going to be fine is not a great plan. Extending it a bit, humanity is given the opportunity to survive, but we have to earn it.
 
One of my sisters was a Moonie for a while back in the 70s. Basically took a rescue mission to get her out of there.
As were two of my daughter's good friends. They were one of the bunch that got married by Rev. Moon himself in Shea Stadium in a mass ceremony with thousands of others, never having met their husband/wife to be. They've since left the cult, and surprisingly the marriage worked and lasted to this day. Nice people, if a bit bizarre. Their parents are still Moonies.
 
As were two of my daughter's good friends. They were one of the bunch that got married by Rev. Moon himself in Shea Stadium in a mass ceremony with thousands of others, never having met their husband/wife to be. They've since left the cult, and surprisingly the marriage worked and lasted to this day. Nice people, if a bit bizarre. Their parents are still Moonies.
My sister was with them for a few months (I don't remember how long, really, but it wasn't years). She eventually had to break and run away from a group and make a collect call to my parents to get help escaping. It seemed very close to slavery - they were out there every day, panhandling for money (all of which went to their handlers) and kept under close watch to make sure no one attempted any extra contact or tried to call family or friends. They had absolutely nothing, so even making a phone call was difficult.
 
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I'm not sure I understand. What leads you to that conclusion?
I guess that's a poor choice of words.... I don't mean that from an engineering sense. It's more about the commentary. As I understand it, those folks narrating the launch are technically competent and very knowledgeable engineers...as are no doubt all the folks working launch flight control etc....it's just that they're young and its all just so laid back and casual compared to what I've seen the old Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo . There was a certain seriousness and discipline communicated in it back then...
 
I got this from the NASA website:

“NASA is targeting splashdown at 8:07 p.m. (5:07 p.m. PDT) Friday, April 10, off the coast of San Diego.”
 
So were the Apollo folks. I believe John Aaron was only about 24 when he made the “SCE to Aux” call during Apollo 12. Maybe your perspective has changed?
ha ha...

sort of that thing where a person back then looks older than a person the same age looks now. They acted older and more mature back then too.
 
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