LSA weight limit to be increased to 3600 lb!

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  1. flyingcheesehead

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    Wow. If this is for real, that’s huge news!

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    I think it's supposed to be 1600#.
     
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    Fake news.
     
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    Tom Haines about 3600 lbs.

    “That is not a typo. That is the word from EAA and AOPA officials here at the flyin. Just a proposal. Who knows what will come out the end, but the starting point is great news.”
     
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    Wow.

    If they do that, I probably won’t bother getting my PPL. My Sport ticket would be sufficient for the near future.
     
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    They should actually find out the gross weight heaviest two-seat US-built civilian trainer of the last 50 years, and use that. 750 kg would help a bunch.
     
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    Sounds like they’ll go to four seaters.
     
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    All that's fine, but I want to be able to use a newer LSA like the Pipistrel for aerial photography...
     
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    That would be awesome. Therefore, it can't be real.
     
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    3600 pounds.!!! Yippeee.!! The C-206 would qualify for light sport..!!!
     
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    Speed increase would be nice, too
     
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    Only if you recertify the aircraft with fewer seats. LSA is still limited to two seats unless something else changes.
     
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    Wonder if one could STC rear seat removal.

    I can also wish for this potentially paving the way for things like an LSA RV-8.
     
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    Oh, yeah. Other changes would have to come along. Stall speed is another.
     
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    I think the plan will be to enlarge the definition of light sport. Up the speed, seats, and weight that can be flown under a drivers license.
     
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    Helzya! My turbo Lance will never see another annual again! And I’m gonna strip my own bolts while I’m at it!
     
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    How many 3600# 2 seaters are there, anyway?
     
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    Remember the prohibition on in-flight-adjustable props and such for LSA, too.
     
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    I’ll just inop placard mine.... no prob, mon!
     
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    I’m also guessing still keeping daytime vfr restrictions.
     
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    That's not legal. It cannot be installed, or have been previously installed...
     
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    Not that I'm complaining but why 3600? What are they trying to get into LSA with that?
     
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    You still have to have at least a sport pilot license.
     
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    Yeah, there has to be some rhyme or reason to that.
     
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    Draco with a PT6 sounds reasonable to me!
     
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    It’s not? If I placard it, I should be GTG. Just like my annual inspection..... I simple placarded my plane as experimental and call it a day. Been flying like that for two years and haven’t had any problems.
     
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    I could see an outcome where C-172 approved for IFR ops falls under certified rules, but C-172 with back seat removed under STC and limited by equipment to day VFR.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Who says constant speed props won’t be allowed? I think this has more to do with class 3 medical vs drivers license requirements.
     
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    I predict at some point we will see a merge between LSA and Basicmed regulations. No point in having both when they are so similar and have the same intent.
     
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    Your sense of humor is acutely deficient and if sacarasm recognition was a snake, you would get bit repeatedly. o_O
     
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    Sometimes as a CFI you learn that that kind of stuff can backfire in a hurry.
     
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    Given that there are very few two-seaters anywhere near 3600 pounds, I would imagine that the NPRM will include removal of or changes to many other LSA restrictions.
     
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    From an AVweb article earlier in the year. Jack Pelton's comments included:

    “They’re addressing the weight limits of LSA,” Pelton said, adding that weight won’t be the sole criteria in establishing eligibility. He said it will be more focused on establishing the class of aircraft that should be allowed to fly under the simpler licensing and certification standards of LSA.
     
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    ??????????

    Similar?

    You don't need an FAA medical to take the sport pilot route.
    You do need an FAA medical to take the basicmed route.

    Doesn't seem to be the least bit similar to me.
     
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    Another guess, they are trying to connect medical requirements to weight/passengers. I think the experience of driver's license medicals for sport pilots the last 14 years has provided important data. So perhaps this is the direction they are headed?
    Sport pilot - driver's license daytime vfr, 3,600 lbs, 4 passengers, 150 knots
    Basicmed - 250 knots, no higher than 18k, 6 pax, 6,000 lbs.
    3rd class - same as before
     
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    I'm imagining it's a 250 hp SuperCub of some kind. Even Stemme S-12 tops out at 1,984 lbs, well short o 3,600 lbs.
     
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    Wow - I was expecting 18 - 24 months to have any further announcements, and really doubted when someone mentioned that this would come into effect as soon as 6 months.

    I’d love to see the particulars of this, but I wonder if 3,600 pounds MTOW would be for amphibious LSA, and ASEL LSA would be lower.

    Very interested to see what this will mean, and what other changes such (e.g. change from fixed pitch to in flight adjustable propellers).
     
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    What was the old recreational pilot certificate limited to?