Yea this. I split about 50 hours with another guy working towards his commercial license. We both needed hours so we split the cost. One of us wore the hood and the other was safety pilot. We both logged PIC time which is perfectly legal.
OK -- 61.51(e), 61.51(f), and 91.109(c) -- and if you read them carefully, res ipsa loquitor. Happy now?Hang on.....we can't consider Greg's correct answers above to be REALLY correct until Ron chimes in quoting chapter, verse, and pseudo legal Latin to make it an official answer.
You'd be wrong for the reason Greg gave -- the FAA Chief Counsel said it's not necessary for 91.109(c) safety pilots to share in the cost of the flight in order to log the time.
But as mentioned above, you'd better have a thick skin.
OK -- 61.51(e), 61.51(f), and 91.109(c) -- and if you read them carefully, res ipsa loquitor. Happy now?
there are likely many terms you won't find in publications, but I know you know that. I only wish someone published a book of common sense.
Logging rules are what they are. They don't necessarily follow yours or someone else's common sense. If you don't want to log certain hours because you think they are "bugaboo" then don't. But other people are free to make their own judgements about that.
Being the sole manipulator of the controls does not automatically result in you being considered the PIC. Think of a trainee flying with an instructor, or an airline co-pilot flying his/her leg. It does, of course, permit you to log PIC time (as long as you are rated in that aircraft), but it doesn't make you the PIC and it doesn't result in you being "considered" the PIC. There are many circumstances in which someone would be the sole manipulator of the controls while flying under the hood in which it would not be possible for you to be considered PIC. Examples include a pilot who is rated in the aircraft but does not have instrument privileges, or a pilot who does not have a current medical or flight review. In both cases, the safety pilot would have to be fully PIC-qualified and acting as PIC as well as acting as safety pilot for the flight to be legal.
Logging PIC time does not require you to be the PIC. For example, I was flying today with a PP-ASEL in his Tiger on his long IFR XC for his instrument rating. As the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft in which he is rated, he properly logged the entire flight as PIC time. OTOH, I as an authorized instructor giving him training and the only pilot in the plane qualified to be the PIC under IFR would most definitely the PIC by the FAA and the NTSB.
For anyone other than an instructor giving training, that is correct. But the reason the pilot flying is considered the PIC in that case is not that s/he is the sole manipulator of the controls, but rather that s/he is the final authority responsible for the flight regardless of whether s/he is manipulating the controls or not. IOW, s/he would remain the PIC even if s/he allowed the non-PIC safety pilot to manipulate the controls for part of the flight.
Welcome to the monkey house.
Sounds good to me.
You may both be logging PIC time, but only one of you is the PIC, and when an authorized instructor is giving training, the FAA and NTSB consider the instructor to be the PIC regardless of the trainee's qualifications. This is well-established in case law. However, the fact that under the regulations only one person can be the PIC at a time does not change the fact that other regulations permit two (or more) people to be logging PIC time at once. Again, as I said above, you have to separate in your mind the issues of who is the PIC (i.e., who is the final authority responsible for the flight) from who is allowed to log PIC time (which in many cases does not require you to be the PIC).
Again, only one of you can be the final authority responsible for the flight, and that one is the PIC. As discussed above, if you act as PIC for the flight, the regulations on logging allow your friend to log PIC time as the sole manipulator at the same time as you are logging PIC as the PIC when two pilots are required. However, if your friend is the final authority for the flight (i.e., acting as PIC), then only your friend can log PIC time, and you are permitted to log only SIC time. See 14 CFR 61.51(e) and (f) for details.
That's correct -- the other pilot with final authority over the flight is the PIC, and you are SIC. Nevertheless, if you are rated in that aircraft, you can still legally log PIC time when you are the sole manipulator of the controls even though the other pilot remains the PIC.
Only if you are rated in that aircraft and actually flying the plane ("sole manipulator") -- and that doesn't change even if the actual PIC isn't an instructor -- see 14 CFR 61.51(e)(1)(i). Further, that other pilot/instructor will have to sign your logbook for the training you received -- see 14 CFR 61.51(h)(2) and 14 CFR 61.189(a).
You can always log nothing. But then it doesn't count for anything.
Looking for traffic while your friend was under the hood doesn't entitle you to log PIC time (that's just the expected job of a safety pilot), but if you want to log 0.1 PIC time for the couple of minutes you were the sole manipulator of the controls, go ahead -- but most folks don't bother. Most folks would just log as SIC time all the time their friend was under the hood, i.e., all the time they were acting as safety pilot.
Good, because that's a regulatory requirement.
And do nothing more than regurgitate what had already been posted.
And I'll bet you're the only one that knew that. Probably due to your close relationship with the higher-ups at the FAA, right??