Information about Amelia Earhart's location.

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    I learned that in debate class too. Make your arguments, state your case, use facts, logic, and reason; and if you can't convince the other person of your point, then it's OK to attack them.
     
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    That's why it's called "de baiting".
     
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    Nothing. :p
     
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    Sounds like the time I submitted a bug (with the appropriate date) asserting that our telescope control system should support RFC 1149, and got a response that I was exceeding my authority. I found out our subcontractors don't know what "avian" means, too.
     
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    Have you heard of "flipping the bozo bit"?
     
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    Sensational press release to gullible media

    Fundraising

    "Expedition" to exotic south seas destination

    Rinse and repeat

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Yeah, Ric Gillespie has figured out how to make dive trips on Pacific Islands on someone else's nickel.
     
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    Not only that, he and his wife have been TIGHAR's only two paid employees for a long time (maybe since TIGHAR's inception). Effectively, he's turning all of those donations into an annual field trip plus nice salaries for himself and his wife.
     
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    I have been looking for such a scheme for a long time. I think I will start a go fund me for my search for the truth behind Bigfoot. There are reports of him all over the world. It would require exhaustive searching.
     
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    I would recommend beginning your search in Tahiti.
     
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    Good a place as any!
     
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    And here I was thinging TIGHAR ran out of money again and issued some press release about more conclusive evidence they found that needs follwoing up.
     
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    By itself, the photo seems like poor evidence. However, the video linked in the other thread says that residents of the area were telling the same story decades ago, including the name of the ship in the photo. That lends it more credence, IMO.
     
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    I was thinking that this story could cause TIGHAR's funding to dry up.
     
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    I was hoping that too, but I think there is enough skepticism around the photo that they will unfortunately continue to bring in vacation funding.
     
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    It's funny how stories change over time as more information is made available, though. Folklore doesn't get developed the first time the original story is told.
     
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    I watched the documentary Amelia Earhart: A Tale of Two Sisters on Netflix the other day and her sister doesn't seem to fond of the groups trying to solve the mystery of Amelia's disappearance. She questions what is to be gained by finding them and basically should let her rest.

    (Apparently, vacation and a salary leaching off of an unfortunate incident.)
     
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    It doesn't need to mean they landed there, just that they ended up there
     
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    True.
     
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    Of course, you only need to explain how Japanese found her and Noonan floating with their Electra so quickly (while other searches failed) and picked them up so efficiently, Electra apparently would not last very long floating in the middle of the ocean. The whole premise is so laughable.
     
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    With empty tanks, that Electra could have floated for hours, maybe days unless she ruptured multiple tanks on landing.
     
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    They're not claiming that the Japanese found it floating, but that it landed on Mili Atoll, in the Marshall Islands, which were apparently under Japanese jurisdiction at the time. They interviewed the son of a native who claimed that he saw a plane make an emergency landing there, and saw the Japanese move it across the Island to where it could be loaded on a ship.
     
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    Speaking of Electras.....found this beauty in hangar at SHD this afternoon....
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    OK, not less crazy invention.
     
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    Maybe, maybe not, but if you want to refute them, it helps if you try to refute what they actually said.
     
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    Posted by mistake (hit the wrong button).
     
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    So remind me what did they say? They landed on Mili Atol, yes?, so how is it possible to be within 100 nm of Howland Island and then land on Mili Atoll? Care to come up with a believable scenario?
     
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    Does someone want to fund me heading out there to try to refute 3rd hand information? Let me get that gofundme going... brb.
     
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    Mili is about 766 nm from Howland Island.

    https://skyvector.com/?ll=3.0198410951123225,173.6462402565961&chart=301&zoom=10&fpl=0049N17637W K1Q9

    They estimated that she would have had about four hours of fuel left when she gave up looking for Howland, and they think she would have headed more-or-less West. From Howland, reaching Mili would have required about 192 knots ground speed. They think she would have been well north of Howland when she turned west, because of the difference between the forecast winds and the winds that the ship she was supposed to rendezvous with reported. They think that could account for why she might have ended up at Mili instead of islands closer to her route from new Guinea. They found what appears to be a metal fragment of the plane along the route that the interviewee said the Japanese used to get the plane to a location where it could be loaded on a ship.

    If you want to judge for yourself whether the metal fragment they found is likely to be from an Electra, you can see it in the documentary, which can be viewed here until August 14th:

    http://www.history.com/specials/amelia-earhart-the-lost-evidence

    Whether you find their scenario believable or not is up to you. I was just pointing out that you were trying to refute something that they didn't claim.
     
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    Very much so.

    Apparently it suffered a gear up and is nearing the end of a 10+ year restoration.

    Exact same size as my Beech 18 (and same engines), but even cooler looking.
     
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    Gear up? Was it Mechanical?
     
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    I'm trying to watch this, but the super dramatic voices, music and statements (ex: "this is the biggest government cover up in history!!!!!") in the first few minutes is making it really hard to get through. Soooooo dramatized. ugh.

    They are talking like it's completely absurd that her tiny little plane wasn't found in a giant ocean. :rolleyes: