Incident at Oshkosh

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Listening to FISK this morning, sounds like there was an incident at the airport. At 8:08, a medivac was inbound. Hope everyone will be okay! :(
 
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The view from our campsite. Word is that a twin caught a wingtip, cartwheeled and burned.

Airport is closed. :(
 
Latest is it was a Meridian that crashed, not a twin. Probably the "Malibu" in the LiveATC MP3.

Better yet, people walked off the plane. No word on injuries, but there were apparently 5 on board.
 
Jay Honeck said:
Latest is it was a Meridian that crashed, not a twin. Probably the "Malibu" in the LiveATC MP3.

Better yet, people walked off the plane. No word on injuries, but there were apparently 5 on board.
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Good up hear that folks were able to walk away.

Jack Roush back in town?
 
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Appears plane ahead of Malibu took its time getting off runway, forced a change of the Bu's clearance from green to orange dot and whatever happened happened.

Assuming it was a Meridian, do many turbines do the Fisk arrival to 27? I've never been to airventure.
 
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Ouch.
Hope they all got out ok.

Black smoke sucks.
 
funkster9 said:
Appears plane ahead of Malibu took its time getting off runway,
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Don't know the facts, but so many flight school trained monkeys tend to pull out on the runway, all "lined up and waiting" and then sit there for about 30 seconds setting their DG, re-reading the checklist or whatever before rolling. OSH is not the place for that stuff.
 
Hope everyone is OK (saw the pics that clearly the plane is not OK)
 
I'd be willing to bet that more people have died from not following a checklist than from taking their time going through a checklist but I agree with you, sitting on the runway is not the place to dilly dally.

RoscoeT said:
Don't know the facts, but so many flight school trained monkeys tend to pull out on the runway, all "lined up and waiting" and then sit there for about 30 seconds setting their DG, re-reading the checklist or whatever before rolling. OSH is not the place for that stuff.
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Piper Malibu base to final, landed on top of an Rv 4. Two fatal, seven people involved. Two walked away
I was just texted with this
 
noobJohn said:
I'd be willing to bet that more people have died from not following a checklist than from taking their time going through a checklist but I agree with you, sitting on the runway is not the place to dilly dally.
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Just wish so many would go thru their pre-takeoff checklist before pulling out on the dang runway. Takes about 3 seconds to set your DG and go.
 
RoscoeT said:
Just wish so many would go thru their pre-takeoff checklist before pulling out on the dang runway. Takes about 3 seconds to set your DG and go.
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:yeahthat: I've always done it that way from earliest training. But then, my instructor drilled that into me.

John
 
Sad deal.


Wonder if I can get a discount on my insurance with an Airventure exclusion.
 
pmanton said:
Piper Malibu base to final, landed on top of an Rv 4. Two fatal, seven people involved. Two walked away
I was just texted with this
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That's ugly. Sad to hear. Did they collide in the air or did the Malibu land on top of the RV?
 
JasonM said:
Reason #1 I don't fly into these events. Hopefully everyone is ok.
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If you can fly your own plane ok, there's nothing to worry about. People who fly in here are always worried about everyone else, but about 99% of the stuff that happens at Oshkosh is the pilot's own fault.

I've flown in three and out two times just this week. I've got at least one more trip in and two out to go. I've probably flown in and out of here two dozen times during the show. Yes, there will be chuckleheads who aren't on their game, but if you're on yours you'll be fine.

Flying into Oshkosh should be on every pilot's bucket list.
 
RoscoeT said:
Just wish so many would go thru their pre-takeoff checklist before pulling out on the dang runway. Takes about 3 seconds to set your DG and go.
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Why would you be setting a DG on the runway? Do it on the way out to the runway.
 
jsstevens said:
:yeahthat: I've always done it that way from earliest training. But then, my instructor drilled that into me.

John
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Same here. My training was 20+ years ago, but it was always if you're on the runway, you're rolling to go (unless told to taxi to position and hold<-I'm that old :lol:)
 
flyingcheesehead said:
Flying into Oshkosh should be on every pilot's bucket list.
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It's on mine!

Even though I haven't been behind the throttle for about 12 years, I've read and re-read the NOTAM about 5 times, watched the approach videos, and have been listening to LiveATC all week. If you're prepared, it doesn't seem that hard.

I feel better prepared than some pilots I've heard! :rofl:
 
benhar77 said:
Same here. My training was 20+ years ago, but it was always if you're on the runway, you're rolling to go (unless told to taxi to position and hold<-I'm that old :lol:)
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My PPL instructor took it a step further and said you don't even call the tower for clearance until you are 100% ready to go.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Why would you be setting a DG on the runway? Do it on the way out to the runway.
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I do that. But others teach to set on the runway to verify heading with the actual runway numbers. Remember the Teterboro crash? Worst case, spend 3 seconds doing it on the runway, not 30 seconds going thru your whole checklist.
 
RoscoeT said:
Don't know the facts, but so many flight school trained monkeys tend to pull out on the runway, all "lined up and waiting" and then sit there for about 30 seconds setting their DG, re-reading the checklist or whatever before rolling. OSH is not the place for that stuff.
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See and avoid applies at all times, but yes unless given position and hold one has no business just sitting at the end of an active runway. Most towered airports I've been to will call you out on that, even if the airport is essentially empty.
 
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JasonM said:
Reason #1 I don't fly into these events. Hopefully everyone is ok.
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Meh, it happens a couple of times a year, but when you consider the density of operations, it's in line with accident rates anywhere/anytime.
 
Sounds like people are quick to blame the pilot that got crashed into. Yes, I agree that sitting on the runway is no place to mess around. You have to be ready when you taxi out. What about the landing plane? Doesn't he have a working set of eyes to see a plane sitting at the end of the runway?
 
rocketflyer84 said:
but yes unless given position and hold one has no business just sitting at the end of an active runway. Most towered airports I've been to will call you out on that, even if the airport is essentially empty.
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Rampant at uncontrolled airports - especially those with lots of flight training.
 
orange said:
Sounds like people are quick to blame the pilot that got crashed into. Yes, I agree that sitting on the runway is no place to mess around. You have to be ready when you taxi out. What about the landing plane? Doesn't he have a working set of eyes to see a plane sitting at the end of the runway?
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No blame, just a somewhat off topic comment. Sorry for the thread drift
 
orange said:
Sounds like people are quick to blame the pilot that got crashed into. Yes, I agree that sitting on the runway is no place to mess around. You have to be ready when you taxi out. What about the landing plane? Doesn't he have a working set of eyes to see a plane sitting at the end of the runway?
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Also, isn't this a controlled field? Who gave out landing clearance before the runway was clear (or did the aircraft land without clearance)?
 
RoscoeT said:
I do that. But others teach to set on the runway to verify heading with the actual runway numbers. Remember the Teterboro crash? Worst case, spend 3 seconds doing it on the runway, not 30 seconds going thru your whole checklist.
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All you're doing is verifying the runway you are going on is the runway you intended to depart from. Nothing wrong with a checklist while getting on the runway, if it's used as a checklist, not a do-list.
 
orange said:
Sounds like people are quick to blame the pilot that got crashed into.
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From every news report I've read, this accident involved a collision between the Malibu and earth, not the Malibu and another aircraft.
 
rocketflyer84 said:
Also, isn't this a controlled field? Who gave out landing clearance before the runway was clear (or did the aircraft land without clearance)?
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Ever flown into OSH during the airshow? They have a waiver for reduced separation in order to accommodate the number of aircraft flying into and out of there.
 
RoscoeT said:
I do that. But others teach to set on the runway to verify heading with the actual runway numbers.
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That's kind of odd, though, considering there are two numbers in a runway number and three in a heading. Aren't you better off setting it to your compass?
 
Turningfinal said:
From every news report I've read, this accident involved a collision between the Malibu and earth, not the Malibu and another aircraft.
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OK thanks. Early reports were that there was some sort of runway incursion.
 
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