IFR Training Starts Next Weekend!

Discussion in 'Cleared for the Approach' started by CC268, Sep 28, 2017.

  1. Kritchlow

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    Very interesting. Thanks for quoting that.

    I'm a bit surprised however. I understand the thought process because one uses the same skill set, but the same could be said about using an RMI for a VOR approach in lieu of an NDB. Same principle but the Feds never bought off on that one.

    I'm also surprised at the 300' benchmark. What is the requirement for an ils??
     
  2. iamtheari

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    Same principle, but different reality. LPV approaches are popping up like mushrooms and ground-based approaches (NDB, VOR, and even ILS) are disappearing. The same cannot be said for RMI's vis-a-vis CDI's.
     
  3. Kritchlow

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    Yes, but it wasn't always that way. I got my IR long before the letters GPS were known in aviation. NDBs were still an extremely viable approach, and if you wandered into our norther neighbors airspace at times defined an airway.
    They didn't use like principle back then, but they are now under the same circumstances.
    Not saying I disagree, just that I'm surprised.
     
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    The VOR and NDBs will go away. We won’t see any ILSs go away any time soon.
     
  5. Kritchlow

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    That's true, however that is today's thought process. Back in the mid 80's it was a different story.
     
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    What you need to figure out is what approaches you can fly and how easy they are, around where you would do your checkride.
    For example, look up ILS 30C in Mesa, that's a busy approach to fly without a DME or GPS.
     
  7. CC268

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    Idk bud I’m gonna allow Bob to decide that. As much as I’d love to have a thousands laying around to upgrade avionics I just don’t. Plain and simple. I’m doing this with what I have available to me. I’m meeting with Bob tomorrow morning at the airplane and I am going to have an in depth discussion with him about everything.

    I know a lot of folks around here have a hell of a lot more financial resources than I do. But sometimes you have to do things even if they aren’t ideal.
     
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    If ya wanna have some fun, do it with one NAV. Better yet, with an old non flip-flop unit
     
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    You can get your ticket with a single CDI with VOR/GS. But it is a pain and much more work than required. You need to find the happy equilibrium on spend vs. capability. I would add a cheap GPS - it gives you A LOT of capability even after you get your rating, when you actually use it and fly in the system.
     
  10. CC268

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    Problem is it seems like a lot of those old GPSs have failing displays, etc. it’s still a lot of cash to spend on something that is likely gonna take a dump on you
     
  11. CC268

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    Anyways...I’m tired...I should have just told everyone I had a Cirrus
     
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  12. Scott@KTYR

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    Congrats on the written. Good luck with the training. I did my IFR check ride with only a VOR, no GPS.
     
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    CC you can get thru the training with your plane equipped as is. No big deal. Probably end up making you a better instrument pilot than all the gee whiz shet.
     
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    I will rise against my adversaries and show these young folks what it is to fly without GPS!
     
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    Is this the "next weekend"? Ya going up today?
     
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    No I’m meeting Bob at the plane this morning, but flying starts the next weekend!
     
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    Cool. Guess you'll be doing some hangar flying and getting familiar with cockpit 'management'
     
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    Yea and he just wants to see the airplane first before we start training...get an idea of what we’re working with I guess
     
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    Probably to see what he's getting into with YOU! ;)

    I kid!
     
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  20. dmcummins

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    I've also started working on my rating in a /A plane. I can't see spending the money on a dme. My plane is worth a little more, it's a 1960 Debonair, but even a 430w with a cdi is around 10k installed. And then there is the data base to keep current.

    I'll keep the portables for situational awareness, and stick to the VOR or ILS for the approaches. For the type of flying I do, and the fact that the wife is a nervous flyer as is. I'm not even sure I'll finish, but the training is good practice if nothing else.

    And the cfii doesn't have any problem with what I have.
     
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  21. CC268

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    First day of IFR training today! Flying Monday Tuesday Wednesday and Friday this week. Maybe one day on the weekend as well.
     
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    are you working FT too?

    I want to build my training plan as well
     
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    Yea I work as a full time engineer for a large aerospace corporation. I’m lucky to be 10 minutes from the airport where my airplane is.
     
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    ooh, that's nice. :)

    I'm 30-60 minutes depending on traffic, but have a job where i can take a meeting from a parking lot at the airport and then log off and do my lesson. Go get 'em!
     
  25. CC268

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    That’s nice...yea I have a decently flexible job, but I work the typical 7:30-4
     
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    Well my attitude indicator is dead as a door nail...really trying to talk my dad into a G5. I have a feeling he will likely just get it overhauled though.

    Anyways...another day in the life of airplanes.

    Might continue my training in a 172 for now while ours is down.

    Good grief certified G5 is still $2150?? Of course experimental is like $1200...certified sucks :(
     
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    "while ours is down" is $500-600 and 2-3 days, you'll pay way more in rental costs if you go that route. AQI is your friend.
     
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    Yea I’m gonna wait for ours to be fixed...what’s AQI?
     
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    http://www.flyaqi.com/gyro.htm

    $475 for exchange, $360 for overhaul.
     
  30. CC268

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    Oh yea there is a similar shop here in chandler does the same thing.
     
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    That sucks the AI quit on you. Is there an approved Simulator near you?
     
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    @CC268 That's weird. Your reply to my post got posted as part of my post. Anyway it might be worth looking into. It can keep you active while your waiting for an AI. You could get in the air with partial panel work. That would be out of sequence with the usual sequence of training, but combined with SIM work might not be a bad idea. I'd bounce the idea around with your CFI.
     
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    Yea we actually already jumped into partial panel on monday. He said I was doing quite well for such a low time pilot so we essentially busted out two lessons in one. I will have a better idea today of whats going on then I will make some decisions.
     
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    Long story short I decided not to pursue that and have them pay for it, although I know several others who are having or have had the company pay for it. The company (or I should say this specific business/industry) I work for is honestly in disarray. We have had a lot of lay offs (which has subsequently triggered a domino effect) and virtually all the younger folks I worked with have left for greener pastures. If I took the program I would be stuck here another two years (unless I paid them back). It's been a pretty sad state of affairs and I'm not sure how much longer I can hang on around here.
     
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    Used AQI - got a nice Sigmatek coming which is honestly nicer than our previous attitude indicator.
     
  38. iamtheari

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    I was checking something tonight (Can you file IFR to an airport with no IAP? Answer: yes and you always must file an alternate.) and ran into another question. For determining standard alternate minimums, the availability of a precision approach procedure gives you a lower required ceiling at the alternate. So, what qualifies as a precision approach in this context?

    FAR 1.1 defines: Precision approach procedure means a standard instrument approach procedure in which an electronic glide slope is provided, such as ILS and PAR.

    By that definition, LPV qualifies. That is, it qualifies unless the term electronic glide slope (which is not defined in FAR 1.1) means that the glide slope must be ground-generated. Is there a more specific definition that applies to FAR 91.169 (where the alternate filing requirement is found) that would exclude LPV from being a precision approach, or maybe a letter of interpretation?
     
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    LPV has no glide slope. It has a glidepath.
     
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    Are those terms defined in that way in the FARs? I didn’t find where they were.