I would be sooooo pizzed! Just wow. Re the Galveston plumber.

Should have told the sales guy to pizz off and finished taking his name off the truck.

Should have taken it off before he went to the dealership, really.

$1M? Gimme a break.

Judgement for the plaintiff for $250 to file for a new company name (not like the one he's using is all that great, nor trademarked or anything), $250 for early termination fees on that cell phone so you can get a new number, and $500 to stop whining and take your lawyer who you now owe $1000, to lunch to explain when you'll be paying him.

Real damages covered, no reason you couldn't have done it yourself. Case dismissed.
 
denverpilot said:
Should have told the sales guy to pizz off and finished taking his name off the truck.

Should have taken it off before he went to the dealership, really.

$1M? Gimme a break.

Judgement for the plaintiff for $250 to file for a new company name (not like the one he's using is all that great, nor trademarked or anything), $250 for early termination fees on that cell phone so you can get a new number, and $500 to stop whining and take your lawyer who you now owe $1000, to lunch to explain when you'll be paying him.

Real damages covered, no reason you couldn't have done it yourself. Case dismissed.
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Why should he have to file for a new company name ? He didn't defile it himself it was someone else's negligence that drug his company's name thru the dirt. Who pays to repaint any of his other vehicles ? People in this plumbers local community think that he gave this truck to ISIS and we're not only threatening him he incurred a real loss of business.
 
If you're gonna sell a vehicle, take all the stickers off before you go in. That simple. If that dealer is going to resell it, they should've removed the stickers as well.

Surprised ISIS went with a Ford. They love their Toyotas over there.
 
Art VanDelay said:
Why should he have to file for a new company name ? He didn't defile it himself it was someone else's negligence that drug his company's name thru the dirt. Who pays to repaint any of his other vehicles ? People in this plumbers local community think that he gave this truck to ISIS and we're not only threatening him he incurred a real loss of business.
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Yep, I'm good with the $1MM, I would likely seek more, and stick the dealer with a private security bill for a small Army.
 
Dealer probably sent the truck to the auction yard when they recieved it. What would anyone leave their company name on a truck they where trading?
 
If you're stupid enough to sell your vehicle with your logos and contact info plastered all over it......stupid is, as stupid does.:goofy:
 
frfly172 said:
Dealer probably sent the truck to the auction yard when they recieved it. What would anyone leave their company name on a truck they where trading?
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Because the dealership told him to because he was going to 'ruin the paint' which is untrue. He didn't want to pay the lot boy $20 to clean off the residue.

The dealer lied, introduced danger and loss to this guy through both action and failure to act in a responsible manner.

Personally I would have told the salesman, "Ok, have your guy do it, I'll give you 5 minutes to get it done, then I peel them."
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
If you're stupid enough to sell your vehicle with your logos and contact info plastered all over it......stupid is, as stupid does.:goofy:
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But in the article, he was in the process of removing them when the dealer told him not to worry about it. Sort of like the FBO that says don't worry about tying the plane down because they are going to move it, and then never does.
 
I don't see how he's lost "new business". When's the last time anybody checked their twitter feeds before hiring a plumber?

I think he's trying to blame his inability to compete on this ONE photo.
 
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Did he start trying to peel off his info before or after the sale was complete? He should have done it before he went to the dealer.
 
JB1842 said:
Did he start trying to peel off his info before or after the sale was complete? He should have done it before he went to the dealer.
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But what if the deal falls through? Then you have to put them all back on.

You gonna start peeling off your N-number if you plan to keep it as soon as a pre-buy date is agreed on?
 
Jaybird180 said:
I don't see how he's lost "new business". When's the last time anybody checked their twitter feeds before hiring a plumber?

I think he's trying to blame his inability to compete on this ONE photo.
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:confused: There are many internet 'rating' services online where people look for comments made about a business when deciding whom they shall use.
 
JB1842 said:
Did he start trying to peel off his info before or after the sale was complete? He should have done it before he went to the dealer.
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Yep he should have removed it, but the salesman told him what he did, and so accepted liability for it. Respondeate Superior clearly makes the dealership responsible for the actions of its agent. If you aren't going to do what you say you're going to do, don't say it. Simple rule, easy to follow.
 
Henning said:
Yep he should have removed it, but the salesman told him what he did, and so accepted liability for it. Respondeate Superior clearly makes the dealership responsible for the actions of its agent. If you aren't going to do what you say you're going to do, don't say it. Simple rule, easy to follow.
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If the dealer already had ownership at the time they said it, does it apply? Was it a condition of the sale? I agree that the dealership should have removed it if they said they would, but I see no legal grounds for the lawsuit.
 
JB1842 said:
If the dealer already had ownership at the time they said it, does it apply? Was it a condition of the sale? I agree that the dealership should have removed it if they said they would, but I see no legal grounds for the lawsuit.
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You don't need 'legal grounds' for a law suit, that's arrest and prosecution, you only need damages incurred under tort law.
 
Henning said:
You don't need 'legal grounds' for a law suit, that's arrest and prosecution, you only need damages incurred under tort law.
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The plumber said there was an agreement that the dealer would remove the decals. I think the argument would be that the agreement was a legally binding contract and that the dealer failed to follow through on, which then caused damages to the plumber.
 
I find it interesting that it's more profitable to ship a truck half way around the world vs selling it locally.
 
What a publicity stunt.....

This plumber is getting millions in free press....

If he can't get more business now... he is surely a loser... IMHO...
 
JB1842 said:
The plumber said there was an agreement that the dealer would remove the decals. I think the argument would be that the agreement was a legally binding contract and that the dealer failed to follow through on, which then caused damages to the plumber.
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Exactly, I see him winning the suit as well. I was just mentioning that "legal grounds" doesn't particularly come into play with filing a suit.
 
Bill Jennings said:
I find it interesting that it's more profitable to ship a truck half way around the world vs selling it locally.
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Oh hell yes. Half of what gets exported out of So Florida is used cars from the auction, or at least was not too long ago before the Euro crashed. Heck, it's hard to buy cars at the auction around here to put on lots because the exporters bid them too high.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
If you're stupid enough to sell your vehicle with your logos and contact info plastered all over it......stupid is, as stupid does.:goofy:
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That.

You sell your truck, giving up all interest in it and leave your company logos on, tuff cookies.
 
Henning said:
Exactly, I see him winning the suit as well. I was just mentioning that "legal grounds" doesn't particularly come into play with filing a suit.
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I think he may win it if he was told they would remove the decals before the sale was complete. If it was after the sale, then I think the plumber has no right to what the dealer does with it, regardless of being told what they would do, and he will lose the suit.
 
JB1842 said:
I think he may win it if he was told they would remove the decals before the sale was complete. If it was after the sale, then I think the plumber has no right to what the dealer does with it, regardless of being told what they would do, and he will lose the suit.
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I doubt a jury will see it that way. Juries are no more fond of car dealers than insurance companies.
 
Matthew said:
I wonder if it still has the "Coexist" bumper sticker?
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Like this one?

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N801BH said:
What a publicity stunt.....

This plumber is getting millions in free press....

If he can't get more business now... he is surely a loser... IMHO...
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Seriously. If you can get a TV crew to cover a self-induced fake crisis... Advertising gold.
 
James331 said:
That.

You sell your truck, giving up all interest in it and leave your company logos on, tuff cookies.
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Not when you are told they will be removed as part of the deal.
 
Good for him, hope he wins. With the level of anti-terrorist hysteria in the US government right now I'm surprised the govt isn't going after the dealer for supporting terrorism. It'd be right in line with their current Trump-style changes to the Visa Waiver Program.
 
Henning said:
I doubt a jury will see it that way. Juries are no more fond of car dealers than insurance companies.
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If it makes it to jury. I'm sure the dealerships lawyers will bury this in paperwork for years, and the plumber will run out of money and patience in the long run.
 
EdFred said:
Not when you are told they will be removed as part of the deal.
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Does he have that in writing, good luck!

There is a reason every company with more than two cents, every government orginazation, etc removes their logos and name from cars before they sell them.

If the local government is even smart enough to do that, what's this dudes excuse, if it was "duhh..well the dealer told me he would" he's toast and not someone I would ever hire, not because isis gave him free publicity, but because he's a frickin idiot.
 
JB1842 said:
If it makes it to jury. I'm sure the dealerships lawyers will bury this in paperwork for years, and the plumber will run out of money and patience in the long run.
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Depending on how the plumber plays it, at this point, that would be about the worst thing they could do. Their best bet would be do a PR campaign to square things for the plumber with the locals, and negotiate an extra truck for the past damages and hassles. That would be their cheapest, most effective option.

You can't survive as a car dealer if the neighborhood has a grudge against you. They did him wrong, if they make it right, the neighborhood will be fine, no harm no foul. If they fight, they will need to move their franchise or sell it.

You really cannot survive in the car business if you operate unethically. Unethical dealers make 5 years at a location, 10 tops.
 
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James331 said:
Does he have that in writing, good luck!

There is a reason every company with more than two cents, every government orginazation, etc removes their logos and name from cars before they sell them.

If the local government is even smart enough to do that, what's this dudes excuse, if it was "duhh..well the dealer told me he would" he's toast and not someone I would ever hire, not because isis gave him free publicity, but because he's a frickin idiot.
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Not always, but there is always a stipulation in the auction contract that you have to remove all of it.

If the dealer told him he would, the dealer assumes that liability in a verbal contract. A car dealer the neighborhood sees not good at his word is a car dealer that is already out of business, he's just not done bleeding money yet.
 
Checkout_my_Six said:
If you're stupid enough to sell your vehicle with your logos and contact info plastered all over it......stupid is, as stupid does.:goofy:
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:yeahthat:

Even if he had just sold it himself to some local dude who decided to take it out drinking and on a high speed chase with the police, he should have removed it. You do not want your logo which is part of your public image and reputation outside of your control where it can cause you or your business harm. He effed up.
 
James331 said:
Does he have that in writing, good luck!

There is a reason every company with more than two cents, every government orginazation, etc removes their logos and name from cars before they sell them.

If the local government is even smart enough to do that, what's this dudes excuse, if it was "duhh..well the dealer told me he would" he's toast and not someone I would ever hire, not because isis gave him free publicity, but because he's a frickin idiot.
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Verbal is binding in many states. No luck needed.
 
EdFred said:
Verbal is binding in many states. No luck needed.
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Yes it is but if it is one person's word against another person's word without any corroboration, it will default to the written contract and if there is no verbiage in the written contract about it then SOL.
 
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