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Someone is going to get a great deal on a C-182RG Nevada highway patrol aircraft auction.
1982 CESSNA 182 RG

Lot # 200
1982 CESSNA 182 RG; SN- R18201881; N222HP; TTAF- 12016.5; ENGINE LYCOMING O-540-J3C5D SMOH- 1276.9; PROP McCAULEY B3D32C407-B SMOH- 1488.4; GARMIN GNS530 GPS NAV/COM; STEC AUTO PILOT; ASPEN AVIONICS MODEL EFD1000 FLIGHT DISPLAY; KX155 NAV/COM; PS ENGINEERING PAC24 AUDIO PANEL; RYAN 9900 BX TCAD; KING KT 76C TRANSPONDER; KING KN64 DME; AIRPLANE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTH LAS VEGAS NV AIRPORT. PREVIEW IS AVAILABLE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY AND AT LEAST 48 HOURS ADVANCE NOTICE IS REQUIRED. CONTACT MIKE MCKEE AT 855-317-5133 OR 801-519-0123 TO ARRANGE AN APPOINTMENT. BUYER WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAINT OR OBLITERATE THE NHP AND HIGHWAY PATROL MARKINGS WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER PURCHASE. BUYER WILL BE REQUIRED TO POST A CASH BOND OF $10,000.00 IN ADDITION TO THE PURCHASE PRICE/FEES AND SIGN THE ATTACHMENT AA. CASH BOND WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE BUYER UPON PROOF OF PERFORMANCE OF THE ATTACHMENT AA REQUIREMENTS. SEE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR MORE DETAILS. THE FOLLOWING LINKS INCLUDE LOGBOOK ENTRIES, CONTRACT ATTACHMENTS AND FAA AIRWORTHINESS FILINGS.
Airworthiness
Airframe Log 1
Airframe Log 2
Engine Log 1
Engine Log 2
Prop Log 1
Prop Log 2
Bidder Contract Attachment AA

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High Bid: $ 31,000.00
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brien23 said:
Someone is going to get a great deal on a C-182RG Nevada highway patrol aircraft auction.
1982 CESSNA 182 RG

Lot # 200
1982 CESSNA 182 RG; SN- R18201881; N222HP; TTAF- 12016.5; ENGINE LYCOMING O-540-J3C5D SMOH- 1276.9; PROP McCAULEY B3D32C407-B SMOH- 1488.4; GARMIN GNS530 GPS NAV/COM; STEC AUTO PILOT; ASPEN AVIONICS MODEL EFD1000 FLIGHT DISPLAY; KX155 NAV/COM; PS ENGINEERING PAC24 AUDIO PANEL; RYAN 9900 BX TCAD; KING KT 76C TRANSPONDER; KING KN64 DME; AIRPLANE IS LOCATED AT THE NORTH LAS VEGAS NV AIRPORT. PREVIEW IS AVAILABLE BY APPOINTMENT ONLY AND AT LEAST 48 HOURS ADVANCE NOTICE IS REQUIRED. CONTACT MIKE MCKEE AT 855-317-5133 OR 801-519-0123 TO ARRANGE AN APPOINTMENT. BUYER WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAINT OR OBLITERATE THE NHP AND HIGHWAY PATROL MARKINGS WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER PURCHASE. BUYER WILL BE REQUIRED TO POST A CASH BOND OF $10,000.00 IN ADDITION TO THE PURCHASE PRICE/FEES AND SIGN THE ATTACHMENT AA. CASH BOND WILL BE REFUNDED TO THE BUYER UPON PROOF OF PERFORMANCE OF THE ATTACHMENT AA REQUIREMENTS. SEE THE TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR MORE DETAILS. THE FOLLOWING LINKS INCLUDE LOGBOOK ENTRIES, CONTRACT ATTACHMENTS AND FAA AIRWORTHINESS FILINGS.
Airworthiness
Airframe Log 1
Airframe Log 2
Engine Log 1
Engine Log 2
Prop Log 1
Prop Log 2
Bidder Contract Attachment AA

2 Days 18 Hours left to bid!

High Bid: $ 31,000.00
by A****A
BID NOW $31,500.00
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Yikes
 
I bet there is a reserve on it.

The 210 they are auctioning off has 50hrs on a new engine.

I wonder what the deal is there. They are selling everything, planes, headsets, towbars..... Are they getting out of the flying business alltogether or are they getting some sort of 'free planes' from the feds (Caravans diverted from the Afghan air-force contract, DHS money spigot ? ).
 
"BUYER WILL BE REQUIRED TO PAINT OR OBLITERATE THE NHP AND HIGHWAY PATROL MARKINGS WITHIN 90 DAYS AFTER PURCHASE" ... bummer ;)
 
brien23 said:
Someone is going to get a great deal on a C-182RG Nevada highway patrol aircraft auction.

1982 CESSNA 182 RG;

TTAF- 12016.5;


SMOH- 1276.9;






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What part is the good part?
 
weilke said:
I bet there is a reserve on it.

The 210 they are auctioning off has 50hrs on a new engine.

I wonder what the deal is there. They are selling everything, planes, headsets, towbars..... Are they getting out of the flying business alltogether or are they getting some sort of 'free planes' from the feds (Caravans diverted from the Afghan air-force contract, DHS money spigot ? ).
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Probably getting their drones.
 
JoseCuervo said:
What part is the good part?
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The avionics alone when removed from the plane are close to the value of the current bid. Aspen, Ryan TCAD, GNS530, KX155, KN64 all have a value on the re-sale market.
As for the engine hours. These planes have been flown regularly, no reason to believe that the engine won't make it to TBO and beyond.

So yes, at 31k this plane can be a good deal. I doubt though that they will let it go at that price.
 
weilke said:
So yes, at 31k this plane can be a good deal. I doubt though that they will let it go at that price.
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Well, actually closer to $41k by the time you repaint it...unless you just want to do a "scratch and patch" over the emblems only.

Still...not bad, if it actually sells for the low $30s
 
I agree the low to mid $30's would be a good deal, the problem is, I bet it brings closer to $50K;) People lose their minds with auctions sometimes! Well the book on it is $XX! :mad2:
weilke said:
The avionics alone when removed from the plane are close to the value of the current bid. Aspen, Ryan TCAD, GNS530, KX155, KN64 all have a value on the re-sale market.
As for the engine hours. These planes have been flown regularly, no reason to believe that the engine won't make it to TBO and beyond.

So yes, at 31k this plane can be a good deal. I doubt though that they will let it go at that price.
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timwinters said:
Well, actually closer to $41k by the time you repaint it...unless you just want to do a "scratch and patch" over the emblems only.

Still...not bad, if it actually sells for the low $30s
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All I see that needs to get painted is the upper half of the cowling, the underside of the wings and the vertical stab. If the paint is otherwise ok, I wouldn't have a problem with doing a scuff&spray on those parts only. Anything beyond that would be for cosmetics and a choice.
 
N747JB said:
I agree the low to mid $30's would be a good deal, the problem is, I bet it brings closer to $50K;) People lose their minds with auctions sometimes! Well the book on it is $XX! :mad2:
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Not sure what the 'book' on a 12k retract cessna is. I do see nice RGs (wet wing late models lower hours) selling for 100k.

There was a batch of FBI and DEA owned 182RGs on the market at one point. They had similar hours and all kinds of holes in the panel.

One thing to keep in mind with the raw hours on those planes is that they didn't accumulate those as a complex trainer at the hand of inept CFI candidates. Most of those hours were some sort of surveillance flights, higher than the pipeline crowd and for the most part at low speeds. Also, the pilots were getting paid to fly.
 
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weilke said:
Not sure what the 'book' on a 12k retract cessna is. I do see nice RGs (wet wing late models lower hours) selling for 100k.

There was a batch of FBI and DEA owned 182RGs on the market at one point. They had similar hours and all kinds of holes in the panel.

One thing to keep in mind with the raw hours on those planes is that they didn't accumulate those as a complex trainer at the hand of inept CFI candidates. Most of those hours were some sort of surveillance flights, higher than the pipeline crowd and for the most part at low speeds. Also, the pilots were getting paid to fly.
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As an A&P-IA at the first annual I will see 12,000 hours and hit that thing with a fine toothed comb.
With all that equipment aboard it better have immaculate paper work. and work orders to prove who did what when.
 
Tom-D said:
As an A&P-IA at the first annual I will see 12,000 hours and hit that thing with a fine toothed comb.
With all that equipment aboard it better have immaculate paper work. and work orders to prove who did what when.
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Wouldn't you do the same if it had 6,000 hours?
 
Tom-D said:
As an A&P-IA at the first annual I will see 12,000 hours and hit that thing with a fine toothed comb.
With all that equipment aboard it better have immaculate paper work. and work orders to prove who did what when.
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Look at the long books listed this plane has had the best maintenance tax payer money could buy.
 
brien23 said:
Look at the long books listed this plane has had the best maintenance tax payer money could buy.
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The log books mentioned in the OP are only for recent years. But they do look good, with almost all the maintenance done by Lone Mountain, which is a service center with a very good reputation. The engine has compressions in the high 70s with no metal in the filter.
 
weilke said:
All I see that needs to get painted is the upper half of the cowling, the underside of the wings and the vertical stab. If the paint is otherwise ok, I wouldn't have a problem with doing a scuff&spray on those parts only. Anything beyond that would be for cosmetics and a choice.
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Decals. Done.
 
jriordan said:
Actually not decals. Painted letters on top and underside of wing, along with cowling and vertical tail. Definitely have to factor in paint costs with purchase price on this one.
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I think Nate meant that you could put decals *over* the painted logos a lot cheaper than repainting the airplane.
 
Tom-D said:
As an A&P-IA at the first annual I will see 12,000 hours and hit that thing with a fine toothed comb.
With all that equipment aboard it better have immaculate paper work. and work orders to prove who did what when.
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It was supported by taxpayer dollars. I suspect no expense was spared.
 
weilke said:
Unless they insist on inspecting the plane after the paint job, and then you'll be out 10k for the bond.
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Additionally, the "local" guy said the top of the wing is also lettered with "highway patrol". If that's true then that's a LOT of decal...decal the entire wing, top and bottom? Really?

Even if it's only the bottom that needs to be done. Decal the entire bottom surface?

Besides, if the top of the wing is also lettered then how much of the total surface does that constitute requiring paint? Easily a majority so one might as well paint the entire plane.
 
From what I've been told, it doesn't have the best paint anyhow, so I think a full paint job is in order regardless. I agree that decals is an option, but not with this airplane and the amount of painted lettering on both top and underwing.

It has also been sitting since May of 2012, so I'm sure there will be other expenses that pop up from the annual it will need just to fly out of North Vegas.
 
I was mildly interested in the Cessna 210 in the associated auction, but it has been bid beyond my price point.

The markings issue is a real problem. I'd be inclined to repaint the aircraft, but according to the contract, I only have 90 days to do so. Most of the decent shops have backlogs longer than 90 days. Perhaps they'd grant an extension, but perhaps not. I'd hate to do a rush job just to not look $10k.

Also, don't forget there is a 13% auction premium to the bidding price. Rarely do these planes up for auction become "steals" after all is said in done.
 
Get scheduled to have it painted then in the mean time rattle can it
 
bartmc said:
What do cops do in a 182?
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There was a bit of a fad to do traffic enforcement from fixed wing planes about 25-30 years back. This was mostly to defeat radar detectors. You may have noticed markings on the road here and there. The observer on the 182 hada fancy stopwatch (visual speed computer or whatever they called it) and binoculars. He would clock a car between the pavement markings and then radio to a couple of cruisers hiding in the bushes to pull him over.

lidar hooked up to a video camera put an end to his. They get an instant read before your know that you got clocked. Radar detectors have lost most of their benefit.

Also, the cottage industry of traffic defense lawyers pretty much shot the fancy stopwatch method to pieces. The logistics of getting both the observer and the officer who did the traffic stop to court on all the challenged cases made it economically not interesting for the state. Traffic enforcement is not about safety, it is about creating revenue. It turns out that an officer with a lidar gun can make more per/hr for the state than the team of pilot, observer and officer on the ground.

They use it for other stuff. Looking for liquor stills, following around smurfs, transporting prisoners to court appointments etc.
 
bartmc said:
What do cops do in a 182?
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Basically what cops would do in a helicopter, if they could afford to operate them. Obviously no EVAC, but in addition to what others mentioned, they can do the search part of search and rescue, provide observation over active crime scenes. Some are mounted with FLIR and high power spotlights. They're also helpful in pursuits and aggressive driving identification. Speed enforcement from an aircraft has always been a joke.
 
Around here the State Patrol owned and operated aircraft also transport the State officials. Mostly the Governor.

Commonly used in damage assessment duty after disasters also.

The State radio techs did some fascinating testing on aeronautical use of APCO Project 25 radios and the effects of a fast moving user radio on the ability to bit- sync properly. If the P25 equipped helicopter flies directly toward the ground station at a certain speed, the system will be unable to sync the incoming signal.

Angular speeds that result in the same toward-the- station component also will cause digital drop-outs. Speed necessary to cause the problem has a mathematical relationship to the bit-rate used.

Similar problems and testing done at White Sands I've heard. Apparently no agency has published their data to APCO so they all did their own testing which is wasteful and stupid.

Multiple ground receiver sites and trunking tend to cover up the issue as long as the trunking controller switches sites correctly, mid-transmission and all are properly clock synced to a solid clock source. A disciplined 10 MHz GPS clock from the head end out, in the star topology, is the most common and cheap fix for that.

Digital isn't always better than analog. Keeps the engineers busy, though.
 
N747JB said:
I agree the low to mid $30's would be a good deal, the problem is, I bet it brings closer to $50K;) People lose their minds with auctions sometimes! Well the book on it is $XX! :mad2:
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No ****... When I was looking for my first plane, a SenecaII came up for auction on the DEA ramp next door. At that time you could buy a Seneca II in nice condition with mid time engines 8/8 P&I, full logs and in annual between $70 & $75k all day long.

My boss who owned the CRS I was working at and I went and looked at it; no logs whatsoever. The engines were shot (you could spin the props through with almost no resistance, and the plugs were all in) as were the props (heavily pitted from gravel strip ops, far beyond service limits); the paint was a 4, the interior was non existent except for the pilot seat and ratty panel covers and carpet. To top it off, the boots were shot and the hot prop parts were all missing. The one thing it had going for it was a King HSI, and there was no way to know if it worked.

Boss figured we could put it together for $<$30k and if I bought it around $20k I would be safe enough. I quit bidding at $27k and the plane sold for over $72k (plus the auction and handling costs...); I looked over at my boss and said "Someone knows where there's still 10 keys stashed in that plane..."
 
We had a 340 based at FTY that belonged to the Forestry service, UGLY green paint job. Engines were at TBO, it was pretty high time at the time, I think 6-7K hours. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it brought almost the same money as a nice one with a fresh RAM conversion. :mad2:

Henning said:
No ****... When I was looking for my first plane, a SenecaII came up for auction on the DEA ramp next door. At that time you could buy a Seneca II in nice condition with mid time engines 8/8 P&I, full logs and in annual between $70 & $75k all day long.

My boss who owned the CRS I was working at and I went and looked at it; no logs whatsoever. The engines were shot (you could spin the props through with almost no resistance, and the plugs were all in) as were the props (heavily pitted from gravel strip ops, far beyond service limits); the paint was a 4, the interior was non existent except for the pilot seat and ratty panel covers and carpet. To top it off, the boots were shot and the hot prop parts were all missing. The one thing it had going for it was a King HSI, and there was no way to know if it worked.

Boss figured we could put it together for $<$30k and if I bought it around $20k I would be safe enough. I quit bidding at $27k and the plane sold for over $72k (plus the auction and handling costs...); I looked over at my boss and said "Someone knows where there's still 10 keys stashed in that plane..."
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Did the donuts come with the plane?
 
The airplanes sold for the following:

172RG- $52,000
182RG- $63,000
210- $147,500

I was on the auction and just sat in amazement at the prices these went for. I had a bit of an insight to these aircraft due to being friends with the former director of the aviation division for the state. I had also been talking with the pilot of the 182 who had been flying this aircraft for the past 11 years. No way was I was going to pay that kind of money for a 12,000+ hour 182 with a mid time engine. You throw in the auction commission, plus the paint job, plus the annual costs that are most likely going to be huge due to these aircraft not moving for the past 18 months. No way:yikes: I could buy a nice 195 for the money I would have sunk into this 182.

I was able to get a couple of Lightspeed Zulu headsets out of it, so I am happy!:)
 
This is why auctions are SOMETIMES a good way to sell things!!:rofl::rofl:
The 182 $63,000+8190= $71,190.00 plus paint, so you are at $83,000.00 BEFORE you do the annual. If you have a fairly clean annual, for $5K, not unreasonalbe for a 12K hour airframe, you're at almost $90K :mad2:
Here's a good looking one, asking $115K
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...KYLANE/1981-CESSNA-R182RG-SKYLANE/1300387.htm
Another for $89K
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...KYLANE/1979-CESSNA-R182RG-SKYLANE/1300799.htm

jriordan said:
The airplanes sold for the following:

172RG- $52,000
182RG- $63,000
210- $147,500

I was on the auction and just sat in amazement at the prices these went for. I had a bit of an insight to these aircraft due to being friends with the former director of the aviation division for the state. I had also been talking with the pilot of the 182 who had been flying this aircraft for the past 11 years. No way was I was going to pay that kind of money for a 12,000+ hour 182 with a mid time engine. You throw in the auction commission, plus the paint job, plus the annual costs that are most likely going to be huge due to these aircraft not moving for the past 18 months. No way:yikes: I could buy a nice 195 for the money I would have sunk into this 182.

I was able to get a couple of Lightspeed Zulu headsets out of it, so I am happy!:)
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N747JB said:
This is why auctions are SOMETIMES a good way to sell things!!:rofl::rofl:
The 182 $63,000+8190= $71,190.00 plus paint, so you are at $83,000.00 BEFORE you do the annual. If you have a fairly clean annual, for $5K, not unreasonalbe for a 12K hour airframe, you're at almost $90K :mad2:
Here's a good looking one, asking $115K
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...KYLANE/1981-CESSNA-R182RG-SKYLANE/1300387.htm
Another for $89K
http://www.controller.com/listingsd...KYLANE/1979-CESSNA-R182RG-SKYLANE/1300799.htm
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We just bought one with 430W/Aspen/S-TEC 60-2 and an absolutely beautiful interior for $95K. :)
 
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