Five dollar... Five dollar... Five dollar foot looooooooongs

Well, if slamming a "sandwich" that's all bread and no fillings makes me superior...then so be it.

That's why I like (only) this one franchise. They double the meat, double the cheese, all day long, every day. It's still just an okay sandwich but it's in a small town with not many other choices so it works when I'm over there and hungry.

Otherwise, enjoy your bread sandwich. At least that's what I've been given at every other location I've been to...and will never return to.

I'm with you.

I don't go there often, but when I do I go all out. Double meat, double cheese, lay on the mayo, onions, peppers, pickles, mustard. Gimme napkins. I don't buy a sub for health reasons. I buy it to fill me up.

Once or twice a year.
 
Yeah, it seems in some towns Subway is more ubiquitous than Starbucks. I kind of put them in the same class: "at least you know what you get."

I had more than enough Subway when my daughter was in High School. She was a "Sandwich Artist" for years.
 
Nope, they have EXACTLY the same menus. Any variation is store-to-store (even with in the Hardees or Carls brand) not brand to brand. The websites for the two are word for word identical other than the substitution of the brand name.

Actually they're not. I'll tell you what the difference is. You have to dig in to the nutrition a bit to document the difference but Carl's "Thickburger" is 1/2 lb. Hardee's "Thickburger" is 1/3 lb.
 
The Subways around here do have a few $5 footlongs still on the menu. The spicy italian and cold cut combo are the only two that I can remember. There's usually one additional monthly special that is $5.

A lot of their sandwiches are $7 - $8, and that's too much for quality level of a Subway sandwich.
 
Friends don't let friends eat at chain restaurants. Ever.

With so many wonderful mom & pop small businesses to choose from, why would anyone eat that stuff?

A lot of those chains are really franchised, and the owners are "moms and pops."
 
Friends don't let friends eat at chain restaurants. Ever.

With so many wonderful mom & pop small businesses to choose from, why would anyone eat that stuff?

Depends where you live. Small independent restaurants don't last too long around here. There's a place not far from the office that serves really good gyros, I hope they last, I'll really miss them when they're gone.

Oddly enough, the best sub sandwiches I've found around these parts are those made by Publix. It's not saying much for the area when the best sandwiches are to be had at a grocery store.
 
Friends don't let friends eat at chain restaurants. Ever.

With so many wonderful mom & pop small businesses to choose from, why would anyone eat that stuff?

Well the other thing is the chains are a known commodity. I don't care for Subway myself but they do make salads and I can work with them. But that's a bad example, there are some chains I really like. Mom and pop shops can vary all over the board in price, quality and special dietary accommodation.

If I'm eating locally I know the good mom and pop places and I'll go to those places a lot. If I'm travelling, I'll normally stick with one of the chains I like barring the ability to exercise due diligence by reviewing menus and options.
 
Well the other thing is the chains are a known commodity.
This. Personally I'm a little more adventurous and not quite as picky with food as some people so I have no problem trying an independently run restaurant. However, I realize that some can turn out to be pretty bad. Other people I know would rather stick to known chains, although I'm thinking of higher end chains than Subway.
 
Friends don't let friends eat at chain restaurants. Ever.

With so many wonderful mom & pop small businesses to choose from, why would anyone eat that stuff?

Because they have drive thru?
 
Depends where you live. Small independent restaurants don't last too long around here. There's a place not far from the office that serves really good gyros, I hope they last, I'll really miss them when they're gone.

Oddly enough, the best sub sandwiches I've found around these parts are those made by Publix. It's not saying much for the area when the best sandwiches are to be had at a grocery store.

I've found supermarket deli sandwiches to be better then the average sub shop and better then subway by a long shot.
 
A lot of those chains are really franchised, and the owners are "moms and pops."
By definition. a local business is not franchised, and the money that is spent there, stays local. Franchises suck from 5 to 25% of the gross out of a business, sending it back to the mother ship.

There is no such thing as a "mom & pop" franchise business.

BTW, the reason Subway has bred like cockroaches, becoming ubiquitous across America, is because they have traditionally had the lowest franchise fees and requirements. The one on the island is literally a dilapidated double-wide trailer on stilts.
 
Well the other thing is the chains are a known commodity. I don't care for Subway myself but they do make salads and I can work with them. But that's a bad example, there are some chains I really like. Mom and pop shops can vary all over the board in price, quality and special dietary accommodation.

If I'm eating locally I know the good mom and pop places and I'll go to those places a lot. If I'm travelling, I'll normally stick with one of the chains I like barring the ability to exercise due diligence by reviewing menus and options.
When we are traveling, we always seek out the locally owned businesses. I can't remember the last time we were disappointed.

Why travel away from home if you're going to eat at a Subway, or stay at a Hampton Inn? You can get that...anywhere. The joy of travel is variety, and new experiences.

I always laugh at the number of people who come to our island and eat at WhataBurger. We have dozens of AMAZING locally owned restaurants, with some of the best seafood in the world, at prices that are often LESS than the chains, and they eat at Whataburger?? lol!
 
(snip) The one on the island is literally a dilapidated double-wide trailer on stilts.

For some reason, this line reminded me of Ron White's bit that begins with "...we took off from the Flagstaff Airport, Hair Care and Tire Center there..." :lol:
 
When we are traveling, we always seek out the locally owned businesses. I can't remember the last time we were disappointed.

Why travel away from home if you're going to eat at a Subway, or stay at a Hampton Inn? You can get that...anywhere. The joy of travel is variety, and new experiences.

I always laugh at the number of people who come to our island and eat at WhataBurger. We have dozens of AMAZING locally owned restaurants, with some of the best seafood in the world, at prices that are often LESS than the chains, and they eat at Whataburger?? lol!

Back in 1993, I took a long motorcycle trip: Chicago to Atlanta, by way of Alberta. I spent a lot of time on two lane highways. You know what I found in every small town? Subway, and quite often that was all I found. Even back then, the small independently owned food service places were pretty well extinct.

Where I live now, we have a downtown area that has a fair number of independent restaurants, but they're mostly upscale, and not the type of place I'd pop into for lunch. We also have a number of local chains. It seems like if a restaurant finds a successful formula, it branches out, there just aren't many that stay as a single location, other than the fine dining places.
 
Subway seems to have contracts with Love's truck stops. If you do any kind of highway driving, you'll see them. We drove to/from Flagstaff, AZ from KC a few years ago - once we got away from civilization, we really had to work to find a food stop other than Subway.
 
Friends don't let friends eat at chain restaurants. Ever.



With so many wonderful mom & pop small businesses to choose from, why would anyone eat that stuff?


I dare ya to find a lunch place within five miles of my office that's a mom and pop. (Hint: there's one. And the last time I went there I spent the rest of the afternoon and evening on the toilet.)

Plus, mom and pop is silly. There's a mom and a pop who own the franchises, too. Just because they bought a franchise doesn't make them any less mom and pop.
 
I dare ya to find a lunch place within five miles of my office that's a mom and pop. (Hint: there's one. And the last time I went there I spent the rest of the afternoon and evening on the toilet.)

Plus, mom and pop is silly. There's a mom and a pop who own the franchises, too. Just because they bought a franchise doesn't make them any less mom and pop.


Not necessarily. Quite a few franchised restaurants are operated by fairly large businesses. Our local Arby's are all owned by one company that operates something like 350 locations. The trend in the restaurant business is away from individual franchises and towards larger operators that have multiple locations. One of our local success stories (Moe's) recently started franchising in Missouri. They chose to have one operator own all the Moe's that will be opened in the state.
 
I think the point is that franchises, whether someone owns just one or many, have certain standards. If you order a certain item it will be more or less like the same item ordered in another store, in another part of the country. Some people like this consistency. If you go to an independent operator for the first time you don't know quite what you will receive. It could be very good or it could be very bad.
 
Don't know why all the hate for Subway. They bake their bread fresh every day, and I've never had veggies that weren't good and crispy. And I KNOW veggies. Good value since you get a lot of food for not so much coin. Yeah, there are lots of places that make better subs, especially where I live. But I sure don't find those at the freeway exit, and of what I do find Subway is by far the healthiest alternative (and one of the few at which I know I can find something good to eat, and the only one I know I can find something healthy).
 
The hotel I stayed in last week in Essen, Germany was right across the street from the train station. And in that station there was a MacDonalds and a Starbucks. Didn't go into either of them. Found some really good restaurants in the area for dinner.

Now, for lunch at work? Our cafeteria is soon to shut down as the site has been sold and the number of people working here is shrinking. Not sure that there are any "local" restaurants in town. But, I'll be back to getting to know them better. Two sandwich shops. Subway and Quiznos. Take your pick, they each have their good points.
 
I went to Ireland once. It was all I could do to find a McDonald's after about day 3.
They know beer. Food... Not so much.
 
Wherever we land, we always ask the FBO for two things:

1. Transportation
2. The best local, non-chain restaurant

If you're talking to anyone over 18, their eyes will light up, and you will learn about the best food in town.

We did that when we landed in Uvalde two weeks ago, and were steered to the most amazing Mexican restaurant. It was started, owned, and still operated by a Korean War vet who regaled us with great stories and serves us the best, most unique Mexican food we have ever had.

Or, we could have eaten at McSubwayKing. lol
 
I went to Ireland once. It was all I could do to find a McDonald's after about day 3.
They know beer. Food... Not so much.

I lived in Belgium for a six month stint, and the guys I worked with always wanted to go to McDonald's for lunch even though we would have to drive 20 minutes from the farm to find a mall with a McDonald's - there were so many good local places that were closer, but since I didn't have a car and there was a huge language barrier I rarely got my way. I've never been able to stomach eating at McDonald's in the US, and it was even worse in Belgium. :confused:
 
This. Personally I'm a little more adventurous and not quite as picky with food as some people so I have no problem trying an independently run restaurant. However, I realize that some can turn out to be pretty bad. Other people I know would rather stick to known chains, although I'm thinking of higher end chains than Subway.

Another lesser-known reason is sanitation. I learned this from a side job I had as a food safety inspector in the early 1980s. It's an easier job to get than most people think, and the coin wasn't bad for a part-time gig. But it very quickly turned me off from eating at restaurants -- an aversion that still lingers, by the way.

The national franchises were an exception, however. They all have high sanitation standards, and they all make surprise inspection visits to make sure the standards are being adhered to. Moreover, because the chains' standards always exceed minimum government standards, a franchisee whose restaurant fails even one state or local health inspection may very well lose his franchise. If it happens twice, then forget about it. He may as well just lock up the place and fire everyone. His franchise is history.

McDonald's standards were unquestionably the highest back then. The company was beyond fanatical about cleanliness and food safety. Their company inspectors were so anal that they must have been toilet trained at gunpoint. They'd tear half the equipment in the restaurant apart looking for a scrap of food or a drop of splashed oil. We're talking crazy obsessive.

McDonald's was in a class by itself, but the rest of the well-known national chains were also excellent. Even the brands that struck me as being least obsessive about sanitation still had higher standards than the law required, and most certainly were safe in terms of sanitation.

The other category of restaurants that had very high cleanliness standards were kosher places. I don't know if this was just a local thing, but the rav hamachshir in that locality was a certified food sanitarian in addition to being a rabbi. He must have been a pretty tough inspector because I never found a single violation in a kosher restaurant or deli in that city.

-Rich
 
Why travel away from home if you're going to eat at a Subway, or stay at a Hampton Inn? You can get that...anywhere. The joy of travel is variety, and new experiences.

Well during our visit to the Iowa Children's Museum, we got hungry around lunch time. Everyone wanted to go to the food court right next door. And a consensus developed to get some chain-store taco stuff.

I can get good authentic Mexican all over the place here in Socal, so I decided to just have a Subway. Had the foot-long (well, ok, 11.5 inch) cold-cut variety sub with double meat and double cheese and all my favorite stuff on top. I thought at first I was going to take half of it home, but I was able to finish it all up. I guess I have a Subway maybe twice or 3 times a year.
 
Well during our visit to the Iowa Children's Museum, we got hungry around lunch time. Everyone wanted to go to the food court right next door. And a consensus developed to get some chain-store taco stuff.

I can get good authentic Mexican all over the place here in Socal, so I decided to just have a Subway. Had the foot-long (well, ok, 11.5 inch) cold-cut variety sub with double meat and double cheese and all my favorite stuff on top. I thought at first I was going to take half of it home, but I was able to finish it all up. I guess I have a Subway maybe twice or 3 times a year.
I'm not saying Subway (or any chain) food is bad. I'm saying that I can get it anywhere, and that it's boring and bland.

Live on the edge a little. Lol!

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Another lesser-known reason is sanitation. I learned this from a side job I had as a food safety inspector in the early 1980s. It's an easier job to get than most people think, and the coin wasn't bad for a part-time gig. But it very quickly turned me off from eating at restaurants -- an aversion that still lingers, by the way.

The national franchises were an exception, however. They all have high sanitation standards, and they all make surprise inspection visits to make sure the standards are being adhered to. Moreover, because the chains' standards always exceed minimum government standards, a franchisee whose restaurant fails even one state or local health inspection may very well lose his franchise. If it happens twice, then forget about it. He may as well just lock up the place and fire everyone. His franchise is history.

McDonald's standards were unquestionably the highest back then. The company was beyond fanatical about cleanliness and food safety. Their company inspectors were so anal that they must have been toilet trained at gunpoint. They'd tear half the equipment in the restaurant apart looking for a scrap of food or a drop of splashed oil. We're talking crazy obsessive.

McDonald's was in a class by itself, but the rest of the well-known national chains were also excellent. Even the brands that struck me as being least obsessive about sanitation still had higher standards than the law required, and most certainly were safe in terms of sanitation.

The other category of restaurants that had very high cleanliness standards were kosher places. I don't know if this was just a local thing, but the rav hamachshir in that locality was a certified food sanitarian in addition to being a rabbi. He must have been a pretty tough inspector because I never found a single violation in a kosher restaurant or deli in that city.

-Rich

I would hate to see how my favorite restaurants stack up,,oh well hasn't killed me yet.
 
I would hate to see how my favorite restaurants stack up,,oh well hasn't killed me yet.


In most municipalities the scores from inspections are easily obtained public records. Around here the TV news cherry-picks the worst and runs them on slow news days.

One "local family owned" Chinese place near an office I worked at many moons ago was a popular lunch run until one of the IT guys hung up their inspection scores on his cube wall. LOL. I believe the term "rodent feces" played prominently in multiple reports.
 
In most municipalities the scores from inspections are easily obtained public records. Around here the TV news cherry-picks the worst and runs them on slow news days.

One "local family owned" Chinese place near an office I worked at many moons ago was a popular lunch run until one of the IT guys hung up their inspection scores on his cube wall. LOL. I believe the term "rodent feces" played prominently in multiple reports.


They used to do that around here during the sweeps weeks. It was a staple. The Chinese restaurants in the malls seemed to be heavy offenders. It was almost guaranteed one (or all) would show up in the "worst 10" rankings.
 
I don't mind Subway - their sandwiches can be more like a salad on a roll if you load it up with all their veggies. I won't go out of my way to get to one, but they are OK.

We have a Jersey Mike's around the corner from my house that I hit once a month or so. Their bread is a little crusty on the outside and chewy on the inside, I really like it. I get the "Big Kahuna" and tell them to 86 the jalapenos. It's a Philly-steak style, with extra cheese, grilled onions, grilled peppers, and grilled mushrooms.
 
Other people I know would rather stick to known chains, although I'm thinking of higher end chains than Subway.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

The voice of a true connie-sewer. :lol:

It's a sub shop, get over yourself already.
 
When we are traveling, we always seek out the locally owned businesses. I can't remember the last time we were disappointed.

Why travel away from home if you're going to eat at a Subway, or stay at a Hampton Inn? You can get that...anywhere. The joy of travel is variety, and new experiences.

I always laugh at the number of people who come to our island and eat at WhataBurger. We have dozens of AMAZING locally owned restaurants, with some of the best seafood in the world, at prices that are often LESS than the chains, and they eat at Whataburger?? lol!

Well, okay... there is two levels of eating out for me. If I'm just travelling to get from point A to point B and I don't have a lot of time to eat and I just need to get something quick, I'll probably eat at a chain. Now, if I'm having dinner on the company dime, hell yeah, I'll go to the place with the best seafood in the world and chow down!
 
Don't know why all the hate for Subway. They bake their bread fresh every day, and I've never had veggies that weren't good and crispy. And I KNOW veggies. Good value since you get a lot of food for not so much coin. Yeah, there are lots of places that make better subs, especially where I live. But I sure don't find those at the freeway exit, and of what I do find Subway is by far the healthiest alternative (and one of the few at which I know I can find something good to eat, and the only one I know I can find something healthy).

Two points (and I do eat at Subway about once a week): They may make their bread daily, but it's just not very good bread. Somehow other chains like Jimmy Johns, Jersey Mikes, and Potbelly have vastly better tasting bread. Subway could really stand to refresh their bread offerings to compete with those other chains that seem to be crushing subway in quality.

Second, their restaurant quality is always the lowest of the low. They're the Kmart of fastfood. Always understaffed, slow, and filthy.

As far as health goes, I don't think they're any worse than similar chains, but you're still loading up on carbohydrates, meat loaded with preservatives (note that the cold cut combo isn't even three types of meat -- it's all turkey byproduct), and soggy veggies. It does the job when you're hungry and one is nearby, but it's not going to beat any other sub shop in taste or service.
 
Anyone seen a $5 footlong lately? I went into a Subway last week and it was $5.25, I thought it was a fluke because of the location of the store, but I went in today in IA and it was also $5.25. Hmmmmmmm?

Wonder if that's all done?

Yes - I really am a cheap basta.... Excuse me I have to go collect the unused toothpaste from inside the cap.

Have they ever had $5 footlongs as a regular daily price? I've only seen it when they do their national advertising campaigns. I think the cold cut combo and the meatball are the cheapest options here, and they're $5.25.
 
Another lesser-known reason is sanitation. I learned this from a side job I had as a food safety inspector in the early 1980s. It's an easier job to get than most people think, and the coin wasn't bad for a part-time gig. But it very quickly turned me off from eating at restaurants -- an aversion that still lingers, by the way.

:)

I have a brother who worked at a Van Camps pork-n-bean factory in Lawrence, KS when he was going to KU back in the early seventies. To this day you can't get him near a plate of pork-n-beans.

I have another brother who worked at a coke bottling plant in the DFW area when he was going to school down there in the late 60's (don't recall the name of the U). He's not touched ANY soft drink since.

Ignorance is bliss donchaknow!
 
I would hate to see how my favorite restaurants stack up,,oh well hasn't killed me yet.

You're probably better off not knowing. The regulations regarding filth are based on potential for causing illness, but statistically, your actual chances of getting sick as a result of most violations are pretty low.

A few years ago, New York City started assigning letter grades to restaurants and requiring that they be posted in a place where potential patrons can see them before entering the establishment, usually in the front window. I'm told that this has resulted in even the filthiest places cleaning up their acts. Nobody wants to eat in a place that got a "C" or "D" on their most recent health inspection, especially when the place across the street is sporting an "A." (I'm pretty sure that getting an "F" results in padlocking.)

-Rich
 
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You're probably better off not knowing. The regulations regarding filth are based on potential for causing illness, but statistically, your actual chances of getting sick as a result of most violations are pretty low.

A few years ago, New York City started assigning letter grades to restaurants and requiring that they be posted in a place where potential patrons can see them before entering the establishment, usually in the front window. I'm told that this has resulted in even the filthiest places cleaning up their acts. Nobody wants to eat in a place that got a "C" or "D" on their most recent health inspection, especially when the place across the street is sporting an "A." (I'm pretty sure that getting an "F" results in padlocking.)

-Rich

I wonder what the going rate is to "upgrade" from a C to an A?
 
I wonder what the going rate is to "upgrade" from a C to an A?

I suppose that happens. I never worked for New York City, but I'm told that back in the old days the health inspections were a complete farce. Giuliani started putting corrupt inspectors in jail when he took office, though, which I'm told cleaned things up for a while.

By the way, it seems that "C" is now the lowest grade n NYC, not "D." Anything lower than "C" apparently results in a shutdown.

-Rich
 
You're probably better off not knowing.
Yup. I worked as a waitress in a couple places. Chinese restaurant was a lot worse in that respect than Dennys. But I don't really consider that when picking a place to eat. I must be immune because I stay in many hotels and eat in many restaurants. Just 30 minutes ago I picked a stir stick off the desk chair in a hotel before I sat down. I think that what Jay is missing is that many people don't go out to eat because they want an adventure. They go out to eat because they are hungry and aren't in the position to cook their own meal at that particular time.
 
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