Ebay going downhill fast

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I have been an ebay user for a long time. I have both bought and sold MANY items on ebay. Back in the day (early 2000's) it was the place to buy and sell anything. Lately I have been doing less and less with ebay and more with places like Amazon.

Examples:

Selling. I just sold a bunch of aviation books and a King IFR DVD set. They brought $55. I was charged over $10 in fees to sell, ended up $3 short of the actual shipping, so as a percentage a pretty heavy hit. I can remember when the cost of selling with CC fees was 5% now they are ~20%.

Buying. Simply put the auction format has been destroyed by shill bidding. Ebay has taken a really lax approach to dealing with shill bidders as long as they eat the fees when the shill gets caught. For example I just bid on an item it started at .99 and I put a max of $20 in with 5 days to go. In less than 8 hours I was outbid by a bidder with 140 bids and most importantly 100% of the bidders activity was on the sellers items. I mean come on, what are the odds. The seller by the way is not some fly by night 1 feedback seller, nope. Top 1% of all ebay sellers, numerous awards, etc. All of their auctions are so obviously shill bid it's crazy, yet ebay does nothing.

Last it is no secret that ebay is not doing well. The issue basically comes down to investors demanding ever increasing top and bottom lines. Naturally to address that fees have been raised every year. However, according to the newest user agreement that goes into effect June 1, ebay can now sell your information to anyone. That includes your purchases, address, telephone number, cell number, email address, etc. and those purchasers will have the right to market directly to you in any form they want. That includes recorded calls (I hate those) to your cell phone, direct calls, mailings, spam, you name it.

Anyway, I'd like to hear the groups thoughts on ebay.
 
If that's their new user agreement I will be closing my account.
 
I have the same impression after bidding on some stuff a couple weeks ago. Got shilled past retail in about 2 hours. AMF.
 
I am a regular ebay user.

When I sell, I estimate the shipping high to prevent inadvertent shortage on shipping costs.

When bidding, I do not bid in advance as it tips my hand to others which may increase the end amount. Rather, I use a snipe program which allows me to enter my bid and the program automatically places my bid 10 seconds before close of auction. Away from home I use the android app mybidder which does the same except it is on my phone.

When I pay I always pay with credit card so it the transaction goes bad and paypal does not refund I can call the credit card company for relief.

On my user info with ebay and all other companies for that matter, I do not give out my cell number.
 
If that's their new user agreement I will be closing my account.

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html

There is a way to opt out of the marketing by third parties. However, it is allowed by default in your account settings. I had to dig around to find it and disable it. Further they have added a special box for disabling the June 1 user agreement third party marketing.

To disable it:

My ebay, click on your user name upper left corner, then account settings

Then on the left side communications preferences

Then scroll down to promotions and surveys and deselect all

These are enabled by default.

Here's an article on their new marketing:

http://www.hasoffers.com/blog/ebay-joining-google-facebook-amazon-race-major-ad-network/

another one:

http://techland.time.com/2013/02/27/ebay-just-gave-itself-permission-to-robocall-users/
 
I am a regular ebay user.

When I sell, I estimate the shipping high to prevent inadvertent shortage on shipping costs.

When bidding, I do not bid in advance as it tips my hand to others which may increase the end amount. Rather, I use a snipe program which allows me to enter my bid and the program automatically places my bid 10 seconds before close of auction. Away from home I use the android app mybidder which does the same except it is on my phone.

When I pay I always pay with credit card so it the transaction goes bad and paypal does not refund I can call the credit card company for relief.

On my user info with ebay and all other companies for that matter, I do not give out my cell number.

The shipping thing is always a hassle. It saves time to just use one price shipping for CONUS, but it seems that it always ends up a few dollars short. I guess that's the price of convenience.

Savvy shillers know all about snipe services that's why they use a double shill to drive up the bid early well before all the pre-programmed sniping. I would check the bids before the end to watch for it.

Whatever number you give ebay will now be sold along with your other information. I don't want to get robo-dialed at home anymore than on my cell. At least the cell is easy to silence.
 
Whatever number you give ebay will now be sold along with your other information. I don't want to get robo-dialed at home anymore than on my cell. At least the cell is easy to silence.
There is no valid reason for ebay to need any of my phone numbers as I see it. I am quick with email. For that reason I use an old pager number I had years ago, and have not had active in years, for all businesses that ask for a phone number such as ebay.
 
Look at this crap:
 

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Im on an early Bronco forum as well and they track one guy who has somewhere between 6-8 EBay accounts, he shill bids his junky Broncos and lies about the condition! They have contacted eBay several times, but they really don't care as long as they get paid! :dunno:
 
Ebay is dead. No market mechanism at work. People post stuff and set their robo-bidder to the price they want for the thing. Why bother.
 
Im on an early Bronco forum as well and they track one guy who has somewhere between 6-8 EBay accounts, he shill bids his junky Broncos and lies about the condition! They have contacted eBay several times, but they really don't care as long as they get paid! :dunno:

I was looking at a used 5th wheel trailer on eBay last fall in Kansas. I pulled info on the VIN and traced it down to a salvage dealer in NJ. Seems the trailer was totaled in a flood. Completely submerged and then totaled by the insurance company and sold as scrap. This dealer buys them and "rehabs" them and sells them on eBay. The problem is he claimed a "clean" title, not "salvage". When I complained to eBay they did nothing.
 
Fleabay's auction fees get to be so high that I'd rather sell to a local guy for nearly income and skip the trip to FedEx or UPS.
 
An idea would be to place the bid for what you're willing to pay for the item and not worry about the shenanigans going on behind the scene.

As a seller, how bout staring the bidding at a price you can accept or setting a reserve.

I avoid eBay at all costs, but it's mostly due to the fees and I hate PayPal.
 
If sellers don't want to sell at what I'm willing to pay, that's their privilege. I suppose that the reason people shill (or use robo-bidders) instead of just setting a minimum bid up front is that they are counting on people's competitiveness. That's why I figure that I have to keep firmly in mind how much I'm willing to pay for an item, and that paying more than something is worth to me is not "winning."

That's probably why the only things I have actually bought through eBay were "Buy it Now" items.

So far, I've had good luck with buying things on Craig's List.
 
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It's been going downhill for a while. I don't use it a lot, and I can't remember the last time I sold anything there, but it's progressed downhill. I really noticed it after the Paypal acquisition.

I've been shilled a couple of times, I've ended up with pirate software one time (refunded), and I had one seller outright not ship an item. Misrepresentations are common. There are some things that get listed that are hard/impossible to find elsewhere, but I won't do a big purchase via EBay.

Thanks for the heads-up on how to disable the marketing.
 
Are there any other good alternative sites for sellers?

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I love eBay and always will although their fees are insane I e been on there 15 years
 
Are there any other good alternative sites for sellers?

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Amazon. I sell a decent amount on there. I haven't sold anything on eBay in at least 2 or 3 years.
 
I love eBay and always will although their fees are insane I e been on there 15 years

Let's say your just surfing one weekend and start looking at F150's, just because you're bored. Then Monday morning you get a call on your cell phone from a salesman at the local Ford dealer saying, "I noticed you were looking at F150's and I have some good deals on them".

How do you feel about that, because that is exactly the model going forward?

Just think about what that information is worth to the local Ford dealer.

Would you still love ebay?
 
Let's say your just surfing one weekend and start looking at F150's, just because you're bored. Then Monday morning you get a call on your cell phone from a salesman at the local Ford dealer saying, "I noticed you were looking at F150's and I have some good deals on them".

How do you feel about that, because that is exactly the model going forward?

Just think about what that information is worth to the local Ford dealer.

Would you still love ebay?

They do stuff like that outside of ebay already. I got a letter yesterday from a local Kia dealer telling me how much they want my HHR.
 
I started using eBay when they had only 30 employees and I have 500+ fedback. My best (David Sams) .45ACP target pistol was bought on eBay many moons ago.

I have been avoiding eBay as a seller for several years. The fees, including the requirement that sellers enrich their PayPal subsidiary, have gotten outrageous and the company's arrogant attitude toward those who pay the bills is incredible. I can offer people on CraigsList or various specialty forums very good deals and still come out ahead compared to eBay's total fees.

As a buyer, eBay is my go-to for Chinese junk. Cables, chargers, etc. sent China Post are a good deal. I just spent about $8 today, three separate buy-it-now transactions.

I try to use Amazon as much as I can, including for selling. It's not cheap for selling but it is a lot less hassle than eBay and there's none of the insulting attitude one gets from eBay. On the buy side I would use it more if the search were better. Right now I get hundreds of irrelevant hits on almost every search. It's too hard to find what I want. Google works better to find Amazon's products than Amazon's own search does.

For the occasional bigger stuff bought on eBay, sniping is essential. I use jbidwatcher and set my snipe for 8 seconds before auction close. Then I forget about it. If it comes at my price, fine. If not, fine.

But eBay doesn't care about any of this. All they want is thousands of Chinese each posting hundreds of identical BIN listings. Which is what they are getting.
 
Let's say your just surfing one weekend and start looking at F150's, just because you're bored. Then Monday morning you get a call on your cell phone from a salesman at the local Ford dealer saying, "I noticed you were looking at F150's and I have some good deals on them".

How do you feel about that, because that is exactly the model going forward?

Just think about what that information is worth to the local Ford dealer.

Would you still love ebay?

That doesn't happen right now, so I can't respond to that. I have given eBay 10's of thousands of dollars in fees over the years but I have also picked up some really wild deals on products I have bought I almost buy everything on eBay or find the seller from there.. Plus I have made money from selling using eBay. Amazon is an option but I think they are slow to ship they take 2 days and they don't protect the seller at all.
 
I think it depends on what you're trying to do.

I sell things a good bit on eBay. I only do Buy It Now, free shipping. I set my price accordingly so that I get what I need out of it after PayPal fees, etc. I buy the same way - just about easy and convenient. It works well for me that way, and therefore I'm satisfied.

I've done big purchases, both buying and selling. The Aztec ended up getting sold based on its eBay ad. I've bought 5-10 vehicles and probably sold just as many, if not more. Again, satisfied. Worked out pretty well. Bought used avionics on eBay. Again, satisfied. Had protection from my credit card.

Craigslist works for things that. Are hard to ship and have a good local demand. EBay works for rarer items or things with a less local market and easily shippable.

I've been using eBay about 15 years. When I started, it was terrible. Money orders took forever and on more than one occasion I got scammed with no recourse. PayPal changed that around. If I don't get my item, I've paid for it with my AmEx, which gives me a full refund. No worries, instant payment. Goes both ways. While I think the deals are now on CraigsList instead of eBay most times, I still use eBay and will continue to. About 5 years ago was probably its best time.
 
We all get sniped by shills with the big sellers - its part of the game. If there is something I want to buy its find out what it sells for on Amazon and where a google search puts a price for the item - then bid accordingly and bid once. Highest price you are willing to pay plus whatever the shipping charge is. I never worry about getting shilled then - cause it doesn't matter.

You can pick out a shill when the item you want gets relisted by the same seller within hours of auction close. . . and the buyer has bought a similar item before. .

This phone call thing is going to cause me to close my account however - or simply change my phone numbers to fake numbers to prevent calls.
 
I've been selling on Ebay for more than 10 years.

  • Free online checking account exclusively for Ebay.
  • Paypal account and debit card associated with same account.
  • Google Voice number for my listed phone number that dumps transcribed VMs into an associated email account.

With the opt out, all the others are easy fixes, but I will pursue selling on Amazon. As a buyer, I get better deals on Amazon and Pricegrabber than I do on Ebay anyway, so that, for me, is a non-issue.
 
So question as I'm not familiar with Shilling. Who does it? The seller to drive up their selling price or the online auction equivalent of hackers?
 
A timely thread for me. I don't look at ebay often, but have done so a few times recently in search of some specialized stuff. My impression has been poor, and I've had the distinct impression that the bidding process is similar to a poker game in which two friends meet a stranger.
 
Probably been about five years since I have bought anything on E-Bay. The last thing was a Nikon d2x camera. Unfortunately, it was supposed to be a US model and what was sold was a grey market model. Tried to return it, no luck. Complained to E-bay no luck. The camera still works and seems to be as good as my US d2x, so cannot complain too much. The only other time I had a problem(probably over 10 years ago) was when the seller insisted I take out insurance on an item, when the insurance cost more than the item was sold for. I upset him when I e-mailed him saying I would take a chance without insurance, as it was more than the item, and would not hold him responsible. He freaked out, cancelled the transaction, gave me a negative, and the fun ensued. In the end, e-bay did nothing.
 
The seller.


Step 1. Place enticing ad that appeals to idiots.

New 2017 Lexus!!!! Still in the box!!! No Reserve! $0.01, highest bid will own it!!! OMG!!! OMG!!!!

Step 2. Wait for 10-15 idiots to start low balling on it thinking its a deal.

Step 3. You or a friend, create an account and pretend to be a new idiot bidding on it.

Step 4. Watch human nature run its course.

Step 5. PROFIT.

Basically the premise is that people are competitive idiots to a fault.

I don't mind sniping or shill bidding, I'll pay what I'll pay, if its not enough for he seller...fine. If its less than someone else...fine. I don't really care what method people use to relay that info to me.




So question as I'm not familiar with Shilling. Who does it? The seller to drive up their selling price or the online auction equivalent of hackers?
 
Let's say your just surfing one weekend and start looking at F150's, just because you're bored. Then Monday morning you get a call on your cell phone from a salesman at the local Ford dealer saying, "I noticed you were looking at F150's and I have some good deals on them".

How do you feel about that, because that is exactly the model going forward?

Just think about what that information is worth to the local Ford dealer.

Would you still love ebay?

I'm no eBay fan, but your scenario is just as likely with Google.:yikes: How many times have you looked at something online and for days you see ads for that product or service wherever you go online? Happens everyday. If you look at a car on cars.com and make an inquiry via email, they sell that information to other dealers! I just found out about this last week, so I'll be canceling my cars.com ads.:nono:
 
So question as I'm not familiar with Shilling. Who does it? The seller to drive up their selling price or the online auction equivalent of hackers?

Typically a computer program run by the seller that controls one or more fake profiles that automatically bid up his posting. The only risk of shilling is that the seller may end up buying his own merchandise. E-bay doesn't care as they make their fee either way.
 
A timely thread for me. I don't look at ebay often, but have done so a few times recently in search of some specialized stuff. My impression has been poor, and I've had the distinct impression that the bidding process is similar to a poker game in which two friends meet a stranger.

Depends on the seller. Buy It Now works better for me for that reason. Aalso, most sellers of larger ticket items will e an off eBay deal.
 
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/user-agreement.html

There is a way to opt out of the marketing by third parties. However, it is allowed by default in your account settings. I had to dig around to find it and disable it. Further they have added a special box for disabling the June 1 user agreement third party marketing.

To disable it:

My ebay, click on your user name upper left corner, then account settings

Then on the left side communications preferences

Then scroll down to promotions and surveys and deselect all

These are enabled by default.

Here's an article on their new marketing:

http://www.hasoffers.com/blog/ebay-joining-google-facebook-amazon-race-major-ad-network/

another one:

http://techland.time.com/2013/02/27/ebay-just-gave-itself-permission-to-robocall-users/

There's also the ability to shut off some advertising/data mining buried in the "site preferences" section. You have to look for it.
 
Did you sell something that does not belong to you?

The King interactive DVDs come with a license that does not allow resale.


I have bought an additional license for my computer using my dad's set slightly cheaper than a whole new set. In hindsight I should have bought a new set. :mad2:
 
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