Duke down and on fire, Fullerton CA

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  1. FlyingTiger

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    Even with 380HP a side, that plane should not Vmc roll that quickly after rotation with a proper takeoff speed. As was alluded to above, possibly he was slow at liftoff due to a short field? Also it looks like the plane pitches up right before roll, maybe the pilot inadvertently pulled back while reacting to the engine out and that was just enough speed reduction to reach Vmc? Another possibility is he hit the wrong rudder? Ultimately no matter what the cause, it appears this was a worst case scenario for the pilot to deal with. Tragic video to watch, RIP.
     
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    lots of conflicting info.
    There is rumored to be another video showing that this was not a departure but rather a go around.
    Hard to tell but I don't see anything in the video that looks distinctly like landing gear hanging down but the quality is crappy too.
     
  4. Skates97

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    It was not a go around. I was there and watched him take off. I started to drive away after he lifted off and then saw the fireball.
     
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    ugh. That's horrible. I can't imagine seeing that.
     
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    That vid is scary to watch. Can happen quickly. Before you know what is going on it’s too late. God bless.
     
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    Sad,RIP.
     
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    I am speculating here. Watching the video it appears that the plane may be climbing at or near VX.

    I did not look it up but again I am speculating, I am guessing there might be a noise abatement procedure in place. Something along the lines of climb as quickly as able until XX altitude for noise abatement. So possibility that it might have been a stall. But like I said, I have no proof, just pure speculation.
     
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    You're right, he might have been killed if he had done that.
     
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    It wouldn't be the first crash caused by a taxiing helicopter.
     
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    There are noise abatement procedures, Runway 06 is preferred and when departing 06 to follow the railroad and no turns until 1000' AGL. Taking off on Runway 24, no turns before 700' AGL. I do not think that played any role here.
     
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    The helicopter pilot posted elsewhere. He was waiting for a release when it happened. He lifted off and got out of the way only to avoid the fire.
     
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    Man, that happened quickly. Scary stuff.

    I know you guys must breathe at least a little sigh of relief on takeoff when you get a few hundred feet between you and the ground. If something goes wrong, there's simply more time to process and respond.
     
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    An engine out close to the ground (or anywhere else) is a bad even for any of us, single or twin fliers. Just different sets of responses to the event.
     
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    This was written in the active. HE almost nailed that helicopter that was peacefully sitting on the ramp.
     
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    Yeah, I was making that statement to all pilots on here. Sorry if that was confusing.
     
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    In all of the Beech aircraft I’ve flown, the elevator is in a slightly nose-down position when the controls are locked...Looks like this one rotated too soon for that to be the case.

    Based on what @Skates97 posted, it looks to me like he lifted off early for whatever reason...I think 1000 feet is an awfully short takeoff distance for that airplane.
     
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    I didn't know that when I posted. OTOH, as far as the video goes, you can't tell what he might have been doing BEFORE he was "peacefully sitting". He might have been airborne and sat back down. I noticed the wind sock was from the left—rotor wash could have drifted. But, frankly, if I were to bet...I'd bet the trim was set for landing.
     
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    A little late to the game, I have been off grid for the last two weeks.

    I have never seen a Duke climb that steeply after rotation. They aren't known for stellar climb performance down low. My thoughts are possibly either the pilot over-rotated and stalled, or had a pitch issue that caused a stall. The airplane was quite nose up before it departed controlled flight.
     
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    I learned to fly on that runway. Even in a light single, the fence at the other end starts looking real big, real close, real fast.
     
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    Agreed...I fly into FUL all the time and that thing looks REALLY close on takeoff even though there is plenty of runway and I am familiar with it. On hot days I find myself in short field takeoff mentality when departing 24
     
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    Wow so horrifying!