DOT Will Require ALL Hobby Drones to be Registered

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DOT announced today that they will require all newly sold hobby drones to be registered with the agency. The information will be used to charge owners for future airspace/aircraft violations.

I don't see an issue with this as the users created this problem. I want to know which teenagers a$$ to kick when their gopro drone hits my aircraft. If people had common sense we wouldn't have this issue.
 
Well now you know what they are afraid of.:wink2: The really cool(and I suppose most hazardous to real airplanes) FPV stuff is homemade anyway. You can have my drone when you pry my... never mind I don't have one. Yesterdays car hotrodders are todays home drone menace builders.:lol:
 
"Records show you registered SuperDuper Xtra drone SN 45-A3383S."
"Yeah, I registered it. I sold it."
"When?"
"What's the problem?"
"An airspace violation was committed on 4 June 2016."
"Yeah, I sold it in May 2016, cya."


pfft
 
ARFlyer said:
http://gizmodo.com/report-drone-owners-will-now-have-to-register-with-the-1737038255

DOT announced today that they will require all newly sold hobby drones to be registered with the agency. The information will be used to charge owners for future airspace/aircraft violations.

I don't see an issue with this as the users created this problem. I want to know which teenagers a$$ to kick when their gopro drone hits my aircraft. If people had common sense we wouldn't have this issue.
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I agree. I'm usually against any govenmental interference, but in this case some if us POA members may die because some dork is getting his jollies flying over an airport environment.
 
nddons said:
I agree. I'm usually against any govenmental interference, but in this case some if us POA members may die because some dork is getting his jollies flying over an airport environment.
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So gov't heavy handedness is ok when it limits other people's options? People on the ground have been killed by our little planes, if they took your attitude we'd be grounded.
 
My kids Boy Scout troop is scratch building theirs tomorrow. I wonder how the bureaucrats will deal with them.
 
Phoenix said:
Well now you know what they are afraid of.:wink2: The really cool(and I suppose most hazardous to real airplanes) FPV stuff is homemade anyway. You can have my drone when you pry my... never mind I don't have one. Yesterdays car hotrodders are todays home drone menace builders.:lol:
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No kidding. My father has been building a homemade radar system that he wants to attach to a homemade drone. It's one of those devices that you don't want it to hit you LOL. :lol:
 
jbarrass said:
My kids Boy Scout troop is scratch building theirs tomorrow. I wonder how the bureaucrats will deal with them.
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The article I was reading, other then link I posted, talked about that possibility. The DOT said they have a task force that will release their final ruling later this year. The take force will be deciding who needs to register, what kinds of drones, and if any homemade will be required to register.

My idea is if they require homemade drones to also be registered it will be handled like custom built guns. The most vital piece, say the CPU, will be the "drone" in the DOT eyes and will have to be registered before being sold.
 
Phoenix said:
So gov't heavy handedness is ok when it limits other people's options? People on the ground have been killed by our little planes, if they took your attitude we'd be grounded.
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We are regulated as pilots and our aircraft. There are reasons for that; some are silly, but most are necessary to prevent us from killing each other or ourselves. I think it is appropriate that people that are using the same airspace as us should also be known. If they want to stay 100' AGL, no problem. If I get a facefull of drone during my base to final turn, that's a problem. A big problem.
 
I agree that something has to be done and registering UAV's may be a step in the right direction. But, if their whole intention is to "place blame"...it's gonna be tough to read a data plate (or whatever they'll use) once it's been through a jet engine...

Whether we like it or not, UAV's and their operators (I refuse to call them pilots) will be in, and sometimes violating, the NAS very soon.
 
It is great to see that the DOT is finally acting to end all the death, maiming, and property destruction we've had to suffer from these drones! Just because it is imagined doesn't make it any less real!
 
I'm happy to hear this. I'm not a heavy handed government guy in most situations, but this I feel is necessary. Good to see some proactive action for a change instead of reactive.
 
I think it's likely to be about as effective as trying to register all large birds, but hey why not?
 
cowman said:
I think it's likely to be about as effective as trying to register all large birds, but hey why not?
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I think it would great if birds were registered. As a sky-fearing pilot like so many others here, I think these sorts of things must be dealt with by some large benevolent entity.
 
Registration won't solve any of the problems, it just adds a tax so the government can grab a few more working man's dollars.
 
The registration is going to end up being effectively voluntary unless they're willing to start arresting/fining all the people... including what is no doubt a large number of minors... for having an unregistered drone.

These things are just too small, too cheap, and too hard to track for any kind of effective registration program IMO.
 
Stewartb said:
Registration won't solve any of the problems, it just adds a tax so the government can grab a few more working man's dollars.
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I think it will solve some of the problem. If people can be tracked, and held accountable, it will act as somewhat of a deterrent. If people are flying and not registered, than that's another risk entirely they are taking. Stiff penalties should be levied if caught.
It's really like anything else... Driving without insurance, flying without a medical, etc.. It happens but we need to at least try to stop it.

Just because the cops don't catch every bank robber does not mean they shouldn't arrest the ones they do. After all, if there was no risk in robbing a bank, wouldn't everyone do it??
 
There are a couple of DJI Phantom drones on the FAA registry - with N-numbers....


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Kritchlow said:
It's really like anything else... Driving without insurance
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In some jurisdictions there is no requirement for insurance when driving on private property. Likewise, there is sometimes no requirement for a vehicle to be registered with a state if not operated on public roads.

flying without a medical
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Glider, ultralight, balloon, light sport.

etc.
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A host of conflicting examples under that category!

It happens but we need to at least try to stop it.
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Education has been entirely and completely abandoned as the first thing to try. Observation of the number of accidents (none) has been absolutely and totally ignored. The relative risk versus cost to freedom has been tossed merrily out the window.

Just because the cops don't catch every bank robber does not mean they shouldn't arrest the ones they do. After all, if there was no risk in robbing a bank, wouldn't everyone do it??
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If you think drone flyer actions by there very nature take something from someone else, then we aren't even on the same planet when it comes to assessing human rights.
 
Jim Logajan said:
In some jurisdictions there is no requirement for insurance when driving on private property. Likewise, there is sometimes no requirement for a vehicle to be registered with a state if not operated on public roads.

Glider, ultralight, balloon, light sport.

A host of conflicting examples under that category!

Education has been entirely and completely abandoned as the first thing to try. Observation of the number of accidents (none) has been absolutely and totally ignored. The relative risk versus cost to freedom has been tossed merrily out the window.

If you think drone flyer actions by there very nature take something from someone else, then we aren't even on the same planet when it comes to assessing human rights.
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You need to put qualifiers on all examples to make them fit your scenario.

As far as drones taking something from someone else.. Not sure where to start with that one. I guess first I'll say it wasn't s comparison, but rather an illustration to show my point. Second, indeed a drone has the potential to take more than property.

I'm confused why some think a heavy flying object that people fly in areas along with commercial aviation shouldn't be regulated? Or perhaps they think there should be zero aviation regulations? I know there are some weak guidelines out there that responsible people adhere to, but really this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
 
Well, we're pilots who have gone through many hours of training, studying, learning and spent many thousands of dollars for our hobby. We have a high level of understanding of airspace, how it works, and why. Our own lives and the lives of our passengers depend on us getting it right, the time and money we've invested in this make us dedicated to getting it right.

Beyond that there are means of catching us if we do bust airspace- they see on radar, they can follow us to where we land. They can take action against us that might be costly or deprive us of our ability to fly. Even with that I think we all know people do it all the time and get away with it.... and many are out there flying unairworthy aircraft or flying without a certificate. Still, there's at least a reasonable chance they would be caught.

Now, compare this to drones. The path to drone ownership is a kid gets a big check from grandma on his 12th birthday, picks out a cool looking drone from the toy aisle, then does what any 12 year old would do and see what kind of trouble he can get into with it. Kid flies it near the airport cause it's cool watching all the big aircraft come in. Odds are nobody even sees it visually or on radar... he flies it home. He can probably do this a hundred times without anyone even being aware of it. It's far more likely in fact that he gets caught posting the video to youtube than anyone detecting the drone and successfully following it back to home base.

How are you going to register that? A little card in the box you're supposed to fill out and mail somewhere? Would anyone actually send it in?

I hate to say this but this is going to end up being like laser pointers. It's going to be so difficult to catch anyone at it that they'll just have to crank up the penalties to something absolutely ridiculous just to make an example of people and hopefully ruin some lives severely enough that others become aware of this being an issue you can get into big trouble over.... and even then they still won't catch most of them.
 
Is a drone different in some way from an RC airplane? Those have been around forever and have caused very few problems.
 
Kritchlow said:
I'm confused why some think a heavy flying object that people fly in areas along with commercial aviation shouldn't be regulated?
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Neither ultralights or their pilots are registered with anyone and they fly in the same airspace as commercial aviation. The DOT sounds like it wants to require registration of toys irrespective of where they may actually be flown.

Or perhaps they think there should be zero aviation regulations?
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Like a lot of things in life, it is quite possible to have aviating going on safely with no government regulation. That doesn't happen today because of ingrained cultural expectations, not because of any magic that arises only from "government".

I know there are some weak guidelines out there that responsible people adhere to, but really this is an issue that needs to be addressed.
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What issue needs to be addressed?
 
Captain said:
Is a drone different in some way from an RC airplane? Those have been around forever and have caused very few problems.
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RC airplanes are flown line of sight only and typically remain w/i 100 yards or so of the operator. At least mine always did. Drones can be flown remotely and at far higher altitudes.

But...

Drones don't kill people, people kill people...
 
ARFlyer said:
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I don't see an issue with this as the users created this problem. I want to know which teenagers a$$ to kick when their gopro drone hits my aircraft. If people had common sense we wouldn't have this issue.
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I'm curious what you think the problem is that these users have created, and how this proposed solution addresses it. Has there been a wave of assaults by unregistered drones?
 
Lindberg said:
I'm curious what you think the problem is that these users have created, and how this proposed solution addresses it. Has there been a wave of assaults by unregistered drones?
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It's clearly a growing concern. Should we always wait until after an accident to address an issue?

The proposed solution is as good as anything else. Registering your car, requiring insurance, etc.. You will have those who disregard the rules, like anything else.
 
Captain said:
Is a drone different in some way from an RC airplane? Those have been around forever and have caused very few problems.
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Depends on terminology. Every quadcopter being sold today is marketed as a drone, even the ones that'll never get 50' from their operator. So that's the term everyone uses. The reality is that those are RC aircraft. There is a LOT of public education necessary to add specificity back to the meaning of the word drone, which implies autonomous or semi-autonomous operation.
 
Kritchlow said:
It's clearly a growing concern. Should we always wait until after an accident to address an issue?

The proposed solution is as good as anything else. Registering your car, requiring insurance, etc.. You will have those who disregard the rules, like anything else.
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Does registering your vehicles prevent accidents? No, it has nothing to do with accident rates. Licensing the operator may have a better impact but clearly even that doesn't always work. This is nothing more than an attempt to shut the anti's up because there is no practical solution.

The illusion of action. It's what government does.
 
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Anymouse said:
Hmmm... New career field: Drone Cop!
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Leading to a whole series of movies; Paul Blart - Drone Cop. ;)

Fly a drone go to prison.

Pull over kid, I want to see your drone license and registration.

Are you a registered drone offender?

Drone rogue(no registration, don't care!)

The bon-mots just write themselves. Not registering a drone will be the new 'skateboard' laws and just irritate everyone. Now - I admitted before, and I'll say again, I don't have all the answers, but more Big Brother is usually not the right answer.
 
Since many of you cannot share the sky, there are two absolute solutions. Ban all drones, or ban all little airplanes. In the name of democracy, freedom and all that is righteous I say we let Americans vote on which, drones or little airplanes, they'd rather have plying the skies. Remember mommy, if you couldn't share she took your stuff away. The gov is your mommy now, share the sky or you will get no sky.
 
Unless we are willing to spend the money to have thousands of drone police out checking everyone's drone registrations I don't think this idea will work.
 
Kritchlow said:
It's clearly a growing concern. Should we always wait until after an accident to address an issue?
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This begs the question, which was, what is it the issue? What specifically are you concerned about, and how does the proposed solution address that concern?

Car registration is primarily a tax. It has nothing to do with safety.
 
timwinters said:
RC airplanes are flown line of sight only and typically remain w/i 100 yards or so of the operator. At least mine always did. Drones can be flown remotely and at far higher altitudes.

But...

Drones don't kill people, people kill people...
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My students are putting the same camera systems / flight controllers in their airplanes as they have in the quadcopters.
 
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