Brasher?

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  1. pmanton

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    The AZ Pilots Newsletter always has a pilot deviation column. What is a Brasher when issued for a pilot deviation?

    Thanks
     
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    Thanks! Now I know.
     
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    I like the part: "and since you have the AIM memorized, legally that is sufficient notice."
     
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    I learned something today! I also like this approach (although I pray to never have to use it):

     
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    Sadly I know someone on the latest pilot deviation list published, they were lucky it didn’t become a full Brasher
     
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    From March 2021 FAA Air Traffic Bulletin:

    On August 13, 1985, Captain Jack Brasher was the pilot in command of Republic Airlines Flight 77 from Chicago O'Hare (ORD) to Minneapolis-Saint Paul (MSP). During the flight, with the First Officer at the controls during a climb, the crew deviated from an assigned altitude by 700 feet; however, they quickly recovered to the correct altitude. At the time of the event, no mention of a potential pilot deviation was made to the crew. In fact, Captain Brasher was unaware that the FAA had any concern regarding altitude non-compliance. It was not until almost six months and 150 flights later, Captain Brasher received notification from the FAA of a Notice of Proposed Certificate Action. During the investigation, when asked about the flight, Captain Brasher replied that he had no recollection of the flight or any events associated with the flight.

    This event, and the subsequent investigation, served as the catalyst for the current FAA Order JO 7110.65, Air Traffic Control, paragraph 2-1-27, Pilot Deviation Notification, also known as the "Brasher Notification.”
     
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    What's a "full Brasher." Is that like a "full Miranda"? No idea what that would be either but since they are both warnings...
     
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    Actually, the opposite. The notice was already in the ATC manual. It went into the manual earlier that year. The Brasher case gave it teeth.

    I talk about it briefly in my IFR/AvWeb article, Dude! You're Busted!
     
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    Guided proactivity when looking at a potential FAA enforcement action generally has benefits.
     
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    Was something I learned early, especially in business. Got a problem? Get in front of it in a hurry! The more you try to duck, run, or hide, the more difficult the situation becomes ...
     
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    I know you said "especially in business", but I would suggest that getting in front of a problem is advisable in pretty much every aspect of life.

    but enough of stating the obvious...
     
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    That is one thing I always tell my staff. You are far better off coming to me and telling me something happened, than letting me find out later.
     
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    Pretty much exactly what I recommended to a pilot the called me asking what to do after landing at the wrong airport. Turned out the wrong airport had an operating control tower, which he didn't learn until someone met him at the fuel pump and advised him the tower would like talk to him.,

    Was just thinking I should contact him and ask what happened after he and I talked.

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    I've always wondered what things like this and Miranda and other Acts and Laws and such named for a person would be called if they person had a last name more like mine - difficult to pronounce and spell. I mean, "Brasher warning" has a pretty good sound to it. Sounds cool, sounds kind of aggressive, important even. "Roslewski warning", yeah, not so much. And "Miranda" often becomes a verb too - "They Mirandized him...". "They Roslewskized him" really doesn't just flow off the tongue, does it?
     
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    I like the way that sounds actually: Roslewskized
     
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    Could be worse, perhaps had a fellow old countryman taken up commercial airlining rather than coaching basketball, would we be talking about a "Krzyzewski warning"? Or would we call it a "Capt K warning"?
     
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    Hah! But which way are you pronouncing it? :D
     
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    That just sounds unpleasant.
     
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    I have a very short memory aid that will allow you to understand the entire FAA and every one of its pubs:

    FAR 91.3 its your fault
     
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