Boeing still falling apart ...

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"—specifically a section of the rear spoiler."

Good thing it was the rear spoiler. Had it been the front spoiler, that's game over.
 
Claiming Boeing is responsible for a maintenance issue and using a clickbait thread title is rather juvenile. Save it for your Nextdoor app.

How do we know this was a maintenance issue and not a latent manufacturing defect?
 
Image of So we use super super glue instead.
 
Claiming Boeing is responsible for a maintenance issue and using a clickbait thread title is rather juvenile. Save it for your Nextdoor app.
Claiming you know that it was a maintenance issue with no evidence one way or the other and white knighting Boeing is rather juvenile (and intellectually dishonest).
 
Claiming you know that it was a maintenance issue with no evidence one way or the other and white knighting Boeing is rather juvenile (and intellectually dishonest).
I suppose one could look up the required checks, and know who had inspected such things last. Without doing that, I'd only be 99.9% sure it was the carrier.
 
I suppose one could look up the required checks, and know who had inspected such things last. Without doing that, I'd only be 99.9% sure it was the carrier.
I’m sure people said the same thing about AS1282.

Given Boeing’s systematic failures and QC issues of late, I’m not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume they are in the right. Let the evidence show it was United’s fault.
 
I’m sure people said the same thing about AS1282.

Given Boeing’s systematic failures and QC issues of late, I’m not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume they are in the right. Let the evidence show it was United’s fault.
I won't disagree on Boeing's performance. I will state that it's highly unlikely that United's maintenance crew has totally ignored whatever piece departed the aircraft. Or at least, they shouldn't have.
 
Pretty sure the folks flying on a plane with pieces departing the aircraft, at that point, couldn't care less about who was at fault. This particular plane had another incident as the article notes ... "It had also experienced a separate mechanical issue in early July, which required a return to Newark after a fault in the electronic cooling system on a flight to Delhi."

I didn't assign blame for the fault as was suggested. Perhaps some Sanka might help ...
 
I will state that it's highly unlikely that United's maintenance crew has totally ignored whatever piece departed the aircraft.
If Boeing screwed this part up 5 years ago, United would have pretty much had to totally ignore it.

Whether it was part of an inspection procedure and was incorrectly ignored is another question.
 
If Boeing screwed this part up 5 years ago, United would have pretty much had to totally ignore it.

Whether it was part of an inspection procedure and was incorrectly ignored is another question.
Boeing could’ve easily screwed up in ways that are not easily detectable by the United maintenance crew, e.g. sourcing poor quality metals or having internal voids.

Not saying that’s what happened but there’s a ton of ways that OEMs can make mistakes that are not detectable under normal maintenance operations.
 
Boeing could’ve easily screwed up in ways that are not easily detectable by the United maintenance crew, e.g. sourcing poor quality metals or having internal voids.

Not saying that’s what happened but there’s a ton of ways that OEMs can make mistakes that are not detectable under normal maintenance operations.
Which is the “another question” part of my comment.
 
Boeing could’ve easily screwed up in ways that are not easily detectable by the United maintenance crew, e.g. sourcing poor quality metals or having internal voids.
Except that applies to every OEM. Airbus actually has more issues than Boeing on average however only Boeing gets the coverage. Regardless, I would still prefer to fly in a Boeing than an Airbus or any other French built aircraft from what I've seen and experienced over the years. In this case, I seriously doubt it is a Boeing issue given the timeframe and mx requirements.
 
Except that applies to every OEM. Airbus actually has more issues than Boeing on average however only Boeing gets the coverage. Regardless, I would still prefer to fly in a Boeing than an Airbus or any other French built aircraft from what I've seen and experienced over the years. In this case, I seriously doubt it is a Boeing issue given the timeframe and mx requirements.
Cool story. The plane in question is a Boeing. What does Airbus have to do with it? The whataboutism and white knighting is impressive.
 
All that I can say is that my employer, Icarus Airlines, has a perfect track record. Every single set of wings turned in after a flight has been carefully inspected and deemed safe to use on the next flight.
 
If Boeing screwed this part up 5 years ago, United would have pretty much had to totally ignore it.
I've seen OEM parts that failed due to manufacturing defects many years after being put into service. The only way to have ever found the defect before failure would be 100% x-ray of the entire part and even then it's not a guarantee that the defects would be found. The OEM issued a blanket R&R for every one of that part number that was fabricated in a certain date window. Cost them a couple of buckets of money too.
 
I've seen OEM parts that failed due to manufacturing defects many years after being put into service. The only way to have ever found the defect before failure would be 100% x-ray of the entire part and even then it's not a guarantee that the defects would be found. The OEM issued a blanket R&R for every one of that part number that was fabricated in a certain date window. Cost them a couple of buckets of money too.
And since it probably wasn’t part of a scheduled inspection, it was properly ignored by maintenance.
 
Boeing could’ve easily screwed up in ways that are not easily detectable by the United maintenance crew, e.g. sourcing poor quality metals or having internal voids.

Not saying that’s what happened but there’s a ton of ways that OEMs can make mistakes that are not detectable under normal maintenance operations.
So we can expect other 787s to start shedding spoilers anytime now?
 
anyone old enough to remember the engines falling off of DC-10 aircraft?

A lot of initial blame was directed at McDonnell Douglas.
 
anyone old enough to remember the engines falling off of DC-10 aircraft?

A lot of initial blame was directed at McDonnell Douglas.
I remember it happened just once. The 1979 loss of AA Flight 191 is the deadliest aviation mishap in American history.

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Effectively, that miss done maintenance killed the company.

The foreman who devised the shortcut engine install committed suicide.

Most of the DC 10's still flying are cargo.
 
Effectively, that miss done maintenance killed the company.

The foreman who devised the shortcut engine install committed suicide.

Most of the DC 10's still flying are cargo.
I thought the forklift method was designed by "Forklift Joe", the director of maintenance. He went on to improve some other airline's maintenance departments. Cut down the need for spare parts by shifting MELs from bird to bird. Saving time and fuel after a chip detector change by windmilling only to check for leaks.
Regarding the accident, I think some back then thought they should pitch up to maintain V2 even with both engines.
 
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It was probably the fault of some DEI employee that was unqualified for their role.

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Figured I could jump in on the baseless ******** opinions. FFS
 
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I thought the forklift method was designed by "Forklift Joe", the director of maintenance. He went on to improve some other airline's maintenance departments. Cut down the need for spare parts by shifting MELs from bird to bird. Saving time and fuel after a chip detector change by windmilling only to check for leaks.
Regarding the accident, I think some back then thought they should pitch up to maintain V2 even with both engines.
The rupture of hydraulic lines connected to the left wing leading edge slats led to their retraction. The assymetric lift caused a 90° roll to the left and an unrecoverable situation. The aircraft hit a maintenance hanger and exploded on impact, which caused an additional two deaths added to the 271 on board.
 
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