Aviation, old-timers and holy crap I hate long posts

eman1200

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I’ve been living in “the south” for about 17 years now. Many places around the outskirts of “the city” are like falling through a worm hole and traveling back in time 50, no, 75 years, maybe more. It's strange, frustrating, and kind of wonderful all at once. I’ll stick with the 'wonderful' for the sake of this story.

Scattered about the state of North Carolina (and probably everywhere else) are these fantastic hidden gems we call "airports". Not the RDU's and CLT's of the world, but the backwoods "hey I've been living here my whole life and never knew this place existed" type of airports (which I actually hear quite often). Surrounded by trees, hangars falling apart, yet with the grass freshly mowed. And by grass I mean the stuff growing out of the cracks of the runway. Like the one I trained out of, and like many I enjoy visiting on a regular basis for no real reason.

Well, for a very specific reason, actually.

For lack of a better term, we'll call them "the old-timers". You know the ones.... they're everywhere. But in this particular case, it's the old-timers of the aviation community. A special breed, with wonderful stories to tell. Pulling into some of these archaic fields, I can only hope I see some of these folks sitting at the rackety old picnic tables or gathered in some dusty old hangar shooting the **** with other old-timers or looking for their dang 10mm socket. You know you're in for a treat if they're there.

I've been going to this one local place now and then over the last dozen years or so for cheapish fuel, air conditioning in their little pilot lounge, one half bar of cell signal if you're lucky and on occasion, free snacks. Not the fresh stuff, the ones in a package that you were sure they stopped making in the '80s. You know the ones, the square shaped neon orange crackers filled with peanut butter....yeah, those.

And in this case, Roy.

The first time I met Roy was at this airport and I was wearing, shockingly, my NY Yankees hat. Well in typical southern fashion he immediately starting digging into me with all the classic "damn yankee" jokes you hear from southerners, except he was actually joking. Most old time southerners can be nasty when anything NY is brought up. Roy was having a blast busting my cajones, and he was fully expecting the return gibes, which I happily obliged with, and he took in stride. Roy would eventually make his way into the contacts in my phone, listed as "Roy the Yankee Hater". It was, of course, a joke and he did not, in fact, hate yankees. Even me.

Over the course of many years I'd get the full tour of his hanger with the many experimental planes he was building. He did his own wood work, his own fabric covering, lots of amazing work. On planes that never flew, and deep down I knew never would fly. But it was his passion, it kept him busy, and he was good at it. And man did he enjoy giving the tours and backstories of everything he was working on. He was so proud of this panel he was putting together where if you hit this one switch, a whole bunch of blinking lights would come on, the likes of which he'd never seen before. He was so proud of those blinky lights, and it made me laugh.

So about a year or so ago, Roy dumped his motorcycle. Got pretty banged up but eventually got off with just a limp. He got over it.

I almost forgot. One other reason I'd fly into this place was their 2 walkable food options. Both of them stuck in time, a snapshot from 1950. And they both smelled like it too. Literally every time I went there I was the youngest person by about 50 years, and I'm like 110 years old. I don't think either of these places have heard about the Restaurant Grading System for cleanliness and hygiene. The tiles were warped and discolored, the menus (and thankfully prices) haven't changed since they opened and maybe the only upgrade either place has is they no longer have segregated seating. Yes, these places are that old.

Every time I flew in there for food, Roy would make fun of me for going to the Pik N Pig because of how expensive their food was. "$9 for a plate of bbq? Insane! I'll take you to a local place where you can get a pound of q for half the price!". He always offered to drive me to some of the truly local "hidden gems". I can only imagine what some of those places looked like if he thought the places I was going to were "modern".

Today I had a small window of time to hop in the plane....between being on-call for work and the daily T-storms rolling thru in the early afternoon. So I flew into Roy's home field and was greeted by Roger upon landing. I had only met Roger a couple of times, but I recall one time, maybe the first time I met him, where he said "here, take my truck to the restaurant". I mean, seriously, a guy giving his truck to someone he never met before to go get food? I don't know that this kind of stuff happens in non-aviation circles. Or "in the big city".

Well today Roger gave me a ride to the restaurant and on the way he told me about how the other restaurant is closed because they had a fire and it would take several months before they had it cleaned up and reopened. He then told me about how Roy had suddenly passed away at the end of April after having a stroke. 2 weeks in the hospital, didn't make it. Talk about a gut punch. In a weird way it was almost worse than when my Grandma died because we were expecting her to die for a while, we were just waiting for it. This was completely unexpected, and when you were looking forward to seeing someone and having some laughs and then find out you will in fact never see that person again, well, that just effing sucks. Life can bite the big one sometimes.

The last time I hung out with Roy at the airport we talked about how there really weren't very many, if any, "social gatherings" at the airport, and I suggested we try to organize a little bbq "event"....nothing crazy, we just grill out some burgers. We both agreed that when it got a little cooler we'd do it, even if no one showed up, who cares. So, for Roy, I'll try to do that maybe in the fall.

Sorry for the crazy long post, but for now, maybe keep Roy and his family in your thoughts.

And most importantly, give those old-timers some love. If/when you see someone sitting at the picnic table or if there's a car parked in front of an open hangar, go say Hi. You never know what kind of friendship you'll build out of it.








RIP Roy

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It’s hard to reply when we have all met “that” person at the airport, and in life. The one who you enjoy looking forward to meeting for the conversation and comradely.

Sorry for your loss. He will certainly be missed.
 
One of those old guys at College Park airport KCGS watched me computing my solo cross country with pencil and paper, asked why I did not have an aviation circular slide rule?

"Budget, I am putting my money into hours."

He went to his car, brought back his well worn Army Airforce issue whiz wheel, and taught me how to use it. Issued to him in flight school, and used on bombing runs over Germany in a B 24. Hindsight, I fervently wish that I had had him scribe his name and squadron into it. It is in the College Park Aviation Museum now, with my name. It would been so much better with his.

There were several others, too.

Back in the 50's and 60's there were a lot of WW 2 pilots hanging out at the airport, most of the students were flying Piper Cubs or similar taildraggers, and yes, there was a picnic table.

Guys like Roy are the greatest asset a small airport can have. I landed at a small Virginia airport, for fuel and food. 4 of us in the 172, the gas guy loaned us his single cab pickup to go to a "restaurant" a mile away, and off we went. I think the odometer was on its second or third time around, as the mileage was only 20 or 30 thousand. Shake, rattle, and roll and we did arrive. There was a well used (as in refilled many times) whiskey bottle in the crack between the seat and back. For fun, visualize 4 adults in heavy winter clothes stacked in a 50's Chevy pickup cab. Temperature at cruise altitude was near zero. The food was best described as nourishing, and country style, but clean.

I gave the gas guy a couple of dollars for the use of his truck, he refused...The airport listed food on the field, it owed us food.

Those airports slowly fade away, just as Roy is now gone.

Half of the airports that I landed on before achieving the PPL no longer exist.

Keep seeing Roger, he may not be building airplanes, but he will keep you connected with the local old time places.

RIP Roy.
 
RIP Roy, and a very nice sentiment @eman1200! Virtual hugs sent to you, and prayers sent for Roy's soul and for his family! He must have been a good guy to have inspired such a well written eulogy!

As I've gotten older, I'm becoming more aware of the good in all people. Something that the hustle and bustle of life can hide from us.

I came up in aviation when the old timers on the field were from a generation that, in aviation terms anyway, came up in a very remarkable time. That's the WW2 generation. I had the pleasure to have flown with a few of them, but I am sad that I didn't really appreciate the experience or get to know those folks, or to really learn what they could have taught me. I wish that I'd have actually talked with them more.

Anyway, I couldn't agree more...say hi to folks and give them a chance!
 
We have a couple of Roy’s here at KMRT. We all go out early on a Saturday morning, and sit around chewing the fat, At 67, I’m probably the youngest of the bunch. At some point we drift out to go flying for breakfast or honeydo’s, but the 2 hrs of just hangar flying in the FBO is soul soothing. On a rainy day, I call it “getting my Aviation fix”.

RIP Roy.
 
You write a long post about old timer’s and didn’t reference me once? Where is @eman1200 and what have you done to him?

Very nice tribute to Roy. Sorry for your and the aviation community’s loss.
 
You write a long post about old timer’s and didn’t reference me once? Where is @eman1200 and what have you done to him?

Very nice tribute to Roy. Sorry for your and the aviation community’s loss.

I'm laughing because I thought multiple times about doing it. I'll make up for it. :happydance:
 
Nice write-up. I think some hangar dust got in my eyes.
On a more spiritual side, as long as we keep their memories alive, those guys never die.
 
There are a few of those at our airpark. Two in particular are in their mid 80s, and get more done in a day than any of us younger guys. They have built planes, cars, boats, houses, and can make, fix, or fly anything. I love to learn from them.
 
Thank you for the sweet story. His phone contact gave me a chuckle.

Lately I've been a bit nostalgic and I've been trying to open up more to the older folks I come across in life. Some of these stories might not last and dammit do these folks have some good stories. And stories ill share and keep the memory alive when they leave us.

I'm sorry you lost a friend. Please let us know if and when you get something scheduled.
 
Wait, Dave is young enough to only be considered "old"?

Sorry about Roy.
 
For lack of a better term, we'll call them "the old-timers". You know the ones.... they're everywhere. But in this particular case, it's the old-timers of the aviation community. A special breed, with wonderful stories to tell. Pulling into some of these archaic fields, I can only hope I see some of these folks sitting at the rackety old picnic tables or gathered in some dusty old hangar shooting the **** with other old-timers or looking for their dang 10mm socket. You know you're in for a treat if they're there.

Yes! As Rinker Buck calls them in Flight of Passage, airport geezers!

I love it when I see airport geezers, and I hope someday to be an airport geezer.

I think my favorite group of geezers were the ones I ran into in Richfield, UT when I flew through there with my wife and one of them yelled "Hey, that's not the hottie you flew in here with last week!" :rofl: My wife is a good sport and she got a good laugh out of it too.

@eman1200, that was a wonderful tribute. I'm sorry for your (and our) loss. I do think that it's our duty to be airport geezers someday, and help the younger generation of pilots by sharing stories, jokes, transportation, and everything else.
 
Nice tribute.
3 years back I was visiting my daughter in Santa Maria ,CA.
She asked what I wanted to see. I told her all the local airports. We spent 3 days visiting and meeting some very interesting “old timers” . Lompoc , a very nice Luscombe owned by a 90 year old gentleman sitting in an old cracked leather seated barber chair. Hangar door open. Said he was going flying soon as the coastal fog cleared. Nice visit . Met another fellow at a different airport who flew a British kit airplane powered by a rotax. He flew it up and down the west coast to play scrabble tournaments. He was also a pro musican who played an unusual stringed instrument the name of which I can’t recall.
He was a young of 82 at the time.
Toured the museum at Hancock. Met a group of “Old Timers “ there doing tour guide volunteer work and just recalling the past . Don’t think any were under 80. The museum has the large radio control scale model aircraft used in the movie “Flight of the Phoenix “ Also a mini flyable P51. Visited several other small non towered airports all with very enjoyable “old timers” to visit with.
Also met a retired radiologist who flew his V tail bo around a 4 state region for “office calls” Owned several other airplanes with his son as partner. He took us out to dinner . Never visited a small airport that didn’t have a coffee pot and welcomed visitors.
A tribute to the “Roys” of the aviation communities
 
@eman1200 , @DoubleD 's comment about Gordon Baxter is fitting! Or Greg Brown. I seem to also be in this dusty hangar! We used to have that vibe at Clow, with the EAA trailer, but I haven't felt it as much. Maybe @bbchien sees more of it, as he's around there more. Sorry for your (our) loss!
 
It's not a long post, it's an excellent post. Not sure how my laptop got so dusty though... it'll pass in a minute I suppose. Keep telling those stories; it's keeps them all alive in a way.
 
Sorry for your loss. @Bill will understand what I mean, when I say that a certain era was lost when the old codgers who sat around the FBO table every morning drinking coffee and chatting about flying have just about all passed away. It isn’t the same without those folks.
 
Sucks for sure... losing one of the good ones.


That picture pretty much says "damn Yankees"



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If you don’t know who the old timers at your airport are, it might be you. At least that is what @eman1200 keeps telling me. :)
 
If you don’t know who the old timers at your airport are, it might be you. At least that is what @eman1200 keeps telling me. :)
I could listen to mine tell stories all day long. And have. What a fascinating life.
 
Thanks for sharing and I loved every word. Condolences,too. I am curious what airport?
 
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