ATITPPA origin finally discovered?

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  1. ElPaso Pilot

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    Or maybe this:

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  2. Salty

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    ATITPPAMS

    Any Traffic In The Pattern Please Acknowledge My Superiority
     
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    Any Traffic in the Area Please Recognize my Failure to Maintain Situational Awareness is too long to say, even for the poorly prepared.
     
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    The old "raise your hand if you are absent" deal.
     
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    "Any traffic in the pattern please advise."

    "I advise you to go somewhere else."
     
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    Years ago I used to annoy a friend in the tower at College Station....''Tower, Cessna 12345 at 1 6 request emergency takeoff...''

    His reply was usually..... ''Whatever, Cessna 12345 cleared for takeoff...''
     
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    I don't know, but it probably is related to HIWASS, Flight Service Station, LORAN, something called "Radio", and ADF.

    And talking to someone on one frequency and receiving on another.
     
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    I had asked Salty that in reply to saying he had got advisories from an FBO.
     
  9. Salty

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    I honestly don’t know how to tell the difference. Sectional markings and AF/D look the same as every other non-towed airport I've ever landed at.
     
  10. Half Fast

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    So far, every non-towered airport I've visited used the same frequency for CTAF and Unicom, so I'm not sure it matters. Towered airports will have a separate Unicom frequency of course, but in that situation I'm talking to the tower, not trying to get runway info from Unicom.
     
  11. Salty

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    I was talking on the CTAF/Unicom Frequency. So I don't really understand how to answer @luvflyin's question.
     
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    “Beats me!” is a perfectly acceptable answer sometimes. :)
     
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    I really didn’t think Unicom was a thing anymore.
     
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    CTAF and Unicom are separate things, but often Unicom uses the CTAF at uncontrolled airports. If it was “CTAF/Unicom” in the A/FD, the answer would be “yes”.
     
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    Every non towered airport I spot checked says the same thing.
     
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    Try one where the CTAF is 122.9.
     
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    Try what? I do see a 122.9 and it does not have Unicom in the af/d, but I don’t see how that matters, when there are thousands that do, and don’t actually have a Unicom.
     
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    Do you have any clue what Unicom is?
     
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    Yes, but as others have also mentioned, it’s pretty much a non thing at most airports, even those that say ctaf/Unicom. and only one has ever OFFERED services without request.
     
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    Wouldn’t that be multicom...?
     
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    Yes.
     
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    So why are you struggling to answer whether the one airport advisory was provided by Unicom?
     
  23. Salty

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    I didn’t know I was. Perhaps I misunderstood the question.

    How would I know if it was Unicom or aunt sally with a handheld?
     
  24. Salty

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    Obviously some of us are missing something others of us apparently know, but aren’t willing to explain.
     
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    Pick a story and stick with it, for starters.
     
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    I asked if it was a Unicom. You just answered the question.
     
  27. Salty

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    I have no idea why you think I changed stories. I guess there’s a subtlety there I’m not seeing, and you’re not pointing out.
     
  28. Salty

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    Well good for me. I don’t know how.
     
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    You said “…I was talking on the CTAF/Unicom Frequency…” I had asked “was it a Unicom?” That answered it.
     
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    I still have no idea what difference that makes since I land at all sorts of airports with ctaf/Unicom that have no staff of any kind or even a radio to monitor traffic.
     
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    Well, Unicom is supposed to mean that someone at the airport is licensed to operate a ground station on the frequency. Whether there is a working radio or someone willing to use it is a completely different matter. With automated wx at most airports it doesn’t matter as much as it once did.

    And frankly, I’d rather not have someone trying to reserve a rental car or order a pizza on Unicom when others are in the pattern and using it as a CTAF.
     
  32. Salty

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    My airport says Unicom and there is no radio station no weather station, nothing.
     
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    Beats me. Maybe someone has a ground station license?
     
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    Well, this is the source of my confusion. From my vantage Unicom means nothing.
     
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    To me it means when I land I might be able to call the FBO to ask where to park or which way to the gas pumps, and maybe get an answer. But that’s about it.
     
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    LOL, yeah, that's about right.
     
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    For folks living at your airport, it might legalize you when you’re on the ground and using your handheld to talk to someone on CTAF. Makes me wonder whether there’s a license and what it says.
     
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    Unicom and Multicom are both CTAFs, as are tower frequencies when the tower is inop. I think Multicom is always 122.9 and used when there is no Unicom on that airfield. Personally, I think that "CTAF" covers it all, even though it's an extra syllable . . . :rolleyes:
     
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    A spirited discussion about something that no longer (for all practical purposes) exists....... :)
     
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  40. Salty

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    Well, I think the discussion was whether or not they exist. My assertion is, because I can’t see any proof of existence even when it’s specified, then they don’t exist, but others seem to disagree.